Woman are not as loyal as you think: Must Read!

[Bokanovsky]

I once had sex on vacation with a girl who had a fiance. Her rationalization for cheating was that "they weren't married yet". Plus, her fiance was too jealous and didn't want her to hang out with men. In other words, it's okay to cheat on your fiance if he suspects that you might be a cheater. Only a woman could come up with such tangled logic.

Out of curiosity, I looked her up several months later on facebook. She had dozens of cute cute couple-y pictures taken both before and after our encounter. The guy kind of looks like me too...lol.

 

[Jaylan]

Of course you've never cheated if you've never been in an exclusive relationship! You are a funny guy Gaylan.

You have sh!tty reading comprehension, as per usual boka-troll.

My earlier post clearly states:

1. that twice Ive committed to women I felt strongly about at the time...ie...Ive had relationships.

2. that I dont know if Id be able to commit again in the future.

Learn to read word for word what is written. My larger point in my initial post was that I dont know if ill commit again, but if I do I will remain as loyal as Ive always been when Ive committed.

Now hop off my nutz b!tchboy.

 

[BMX]

Out of the three girls, not women--I don't feel they deserve that title, the sluttiest of them all (and first of the trio) did not cheat on me. The other two went from virgin good girls, to cheaters on me. Ironic how that went but I am learning a lot from these experiences early on. I am choosing to stay single due to career choices currently. I've also been advised to stop committing to anything with a girl under 25ish. That's not an end-all-be-all, but I surmise it is a gigantic factor that has been missing here. Remember to say "No" to clueless hoes.

 

[zekko]

Secondly, you wouldn't ask the person if they drink, that's not an analogy. The equivalent would be to say "my boundary is that I don't date women that drink alcohol."

INSECURE!!! INSECURE!!! If you won't date women that drink alcohol then you are insecure!!! Who the hell are you to tell a beautiful female creature what to do?

No, wait... It's okay to THINK that you won't date women that drink alcohol, but it's not okay to actually SAY it. Because if you say it, then you are INSECURE!!!

No, wait... If you don't want to date women that drink alcohol, just make sure she has high interest in you. That way she will drop the alcohol on her own. Unless she doesn't. In which case it's just harmless beta alcohol anyway, so it doesn't matter.

 

[Jaylan]

Lmao @ some womens logic.

I feel bad for whatever man willfully dates that woman.

 

[JoeMarron]

Im giving it once more chance after the current one if the current one blows up. The current one is soooo traditional in so many ways and has a stacked body but does not have a strong moral code. The next one will be a religious fundamentalist. After that, I'm giving up.

The lack of a moral code would bother me. Barring any serious consequences morals are really the only thing that stops people from doing fvcked up things. We all know to take a chick's words with a grain of salt but I remember a huge green flag popping up in my mind when I heard my girl use the word "morals" and "cheating" in the same sentence. My money would be on a true religious fundamentalist being one of the least likely to cheat. The problem is that type of chick would drive me crazy since I'm not religious and if she truly was about her faith she wouldn't be in a relationship with an unbeliever.

What do you think gives to a swifter and more certain grounds and resolve for a breakup when you smell wine on her breath and she says "oh, I had a glass of wine with dinner"?

A) passive aggressive no-boundaries
B) boundaries where she blatantly violated your wishes

*Slow clap*

 

[DonGorgon]

here is more reality:

Humans cheat. both males and females cheat. the problem of roost men his that most women have far more opportunities to get random sex anytime and cheat since there are 15 men chasing for every women out and willing to Fvck.. So a man who is a 7 in looks cannot keep up with a woman who is a 7 on looks so since the female has more option she has more empower and can more easily discard the man than he can discard her...lol

The average woman has a few men him her life for different things and she pays them all with different amount os sex:

1. husband
2. boyfriend
2. side guy
4. male best friend
5. sugar daddy
6. fvck buddy 1
7. fvck buddy 2
8. random guy she meets every day and thinks is hot enough to F immediately

unfortunately the worst guys to be on that list are her husband and her boyfriend those two guys usually invest the most time and money and get the least sex and have to deal with the most BS and drama form her and they also usually get the most disrespect form her.

I try hard as hell to avoid ever being the boyfriend an i will not marry till I'm 80...lol.. I have a GF now but only cause she begged me and she provides enough sex and benefits to where its worth to me too give her that title an keep her around...




EDIT:

....My money would be on a true religious fundamentalist being one of the least likely to cheat. ...

^^^false they cheat just the same but lie and hide it more and hide behind god more than other humans..

one past in Atlanta was sit dead by a man from his congregation cause the man found out the pastor was Fing his wife and may have been that farther of one of his kids..true story

 

[JoeMarron]

^^^false they cheat just the same but lie and hide it more and hide behind god more than other humans..

one past in Atlanta was sit dead by a man from his congregation cause the man found out the pastor was Fing his wife and may have been that farther of one of his kids..true story

That's why I said true. I know there's a ton of phonies out there, religious in name only while they do whatever and go to church to ease their guilty conscious. The truly devout however, my parents for instance, are highly unlikely to cheat.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

P&V,

how can you conflate explaining how to detect cheating with "how to stop them from cheating?" I mean this isn't rocket science man.

Same with the alcoholism.

411 is saying women ARE alcoholics, you're saying "how can we find out IF they are." You haven't advanced as far in your understanding of women's nature to even get this.

You're right, it's not rocket science, but somehow you're getting it wrong.

Do me a favor pairs, try to understand this.


In his analogy he's referring to women being alcoholics.

ANALOGY----->Women = Alcoholics, Drinking alcohol = Cheating

Follow?

Therefore, how can you tell if they will fall back into the temptation of drinking alcohol?

Ask them.

or

Put them around alcohol. (and let them show you that they're not going to drink) Give them free reign.


This is called an anology.


How can you find out if they're going to cheat?

Ask them.

or

Bring her around other guys. Let her do what she wants. Does she want to hang out with other men or does she want to hang out with you? Does she still make plans with other guys that she sleeps with? Or are those guys out of the picture now that you're in it? Did she push those guys out because she doesn't want to be with them anymore, or did she push them out because that was under your conditions?

Follow this analogy yet?

Probably not. Continuing the analogy: If you want to deal with an alcoholic(woman) who can't keep herself from drinking(cheating) without someone watching over her, then that's up to you. I'd rather have the alcoholic that could work, live, bathe in alcohol, but still not take a drink. She keeps herself out of situations where there is alcohol (because she's not interested in it), but if she finds herself around it, it doesn't matter, because she doesn't want it anymore. (other men)

On top of that, she should realize, that if she does ever take a drink (still working the analogy) that you will be gone. You're not a man who will put up with it. That's one of the reasons you chose her, because she has proven that she can stay sober (faithful). That she has it inside her to do so. You didn't tell her to stop drinking and then you'd have her, she stopped drinking on her own, because she didn't want it. It's her battle, you can't control her temptations and her weaknesses. Only she can.

Got it? Didn't think so.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

I once had sex on vacation with a girl who had a fiance. Her rationalization for cheating was that "they weren't married yet". Plus, her fiance was too jealous and didn't want her to hang out with men. In other words, it's okay to cheat on your fiance if he suspects that you might be a cheater. Only a woman could come up with such tangled logic.

Hmmmm.....very strange Bokanovsky. Didn't you know that not wanting your woman to hang out with other men has nothing to do with jealousy? Did she tell you it was jealousy? That boggles the mind how she could think that. Well, he must not have explained it logically enough. It's a boundary!! A price!! She will drop those other men in order to be with him!!! Just like that woman did.....:kick:

 

[_sideways_]

here is more reality:

Humans cheat. both males and females cheat. the problem of roost men his that most women have far more opportunities to get random sex anytime and cheat since there are 15 men chasing for every women out and willing to Fvck.. So a man who is a 7 in looks cannot keep up with a woman who is a 7 on looks so since the female has more option she has more empower and can more easily discard the man than he can discard her...lol

The average woman has a few men him her life for different things and she pays them all with different amount os sex:

1. husband
2. boyfriend
2. side guy
4. male best friend
5. sugar daddy
6. fvck buddy 1
7. fvck buddy 2
8. random guy she meets every day and thinks is hot enough to F immediately

unfortunately the worst guys to be on that list are her husband and her boyfriend those two guys usually invest the most time and money and get the least sex and have to deal with the most BS and drama form her and they also usually get the most disrespect form her.

I try hard as hell to avoid ever being the boyfriend an i will not marry till I'm 80...lol.. I have a GF now but only cause she begged me and she provides enough sex and benefits to where its worth to me too give her that title an keep her around...




Can u do the number of sex partner thing but in reverse...like male options. 1 being wife I assume.
thanks

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Pairs, thanks for pointing out that I edited my post. If you knew how to read you would have already figured that out. Look at this post then scroll to the bottom:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2152883&postcount=44

Anyways, the MEANING was the same. If you didn't have reading comprehension issues you would have been able to UNDERSTAND that.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

i told you that at least you admitted it, DUH. You recognized that the analogy was a false one and so you fixed it. Not a big deal.

Nice edit job. Next time just say you made a mistake. It happens.

This goes back to my point that the entire foundation of you and Exception's philosophy is the utter horsesh!t that women make up to justify bad behavior. This is just what the woman is saying to the man so that the man (who she assumes has adopted the same feminist theory you have) feels like the husband "deserved it". The woman gave another completely psychotic rationalization as well... "they weren't married yet". Such a credible source

This woman IS a *****. You really believe that that's her husband's fault?

I realize there is no hope for you, but it would be nice if you didn't disease the minds of those who are trying to learn.

 

[VikingKing]

This is funny because I feel the same about yours and exceptions mindsets.


I mentioned this in the other thread, but your focus is on the "why" of the setting boundaries. While a chorus of us speak on "what" is it's purpose..... for filtering and to remove the camoflauge under which most cheating occurs, you and exception call it jealousy or fear.

We are speaking different languages.

Those of us advocating the boundary are interested in WHAT it does. Or essentially, the results. A woman filtered for our value system who does not feel the desire to be with other men one-on-one.

When you and exception come in with the "why", it really is just a shaming attempt. The "why" is irrelevant when it achieves the desired results. Hence the purpose of the "why" is to shame. To attack the people themselves because they don't want to say "I'm jealous" or "I have fear".

Go ahead and call it whatever you wish. At the end of the day, Exception's girl is at home one-on-one with a strange man. That is a fact.

My girl is home cooking my favorite pie for me waiting for my return from Brazil.

Which kind of girl do you want men?

Not one that likes to spend alone time with dudes.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Not one that likes to spend alone time with dudes.

So, if you set the boundary with her at the beginning, does that mean she won't like spending alone time with dude?

Would Exception's girl have rather been with Exception? Or would she have rather been with that guy doing the class project?

That's the question that should be asked.

Is away time good for the relationship? "Not with another guy!" What if that guy's a beta so it will just re-instill how lucky she is to be with a guy like Exception?

Would that actually be a good thing?

This is funny because I feel the same about yours and exceptions mindsets.

I bet you barely saw her again too.

The thing that makes my skin crawl about women that do this is that they literally get off doing fvcked up sh!t like this, its not like you fvcked her she just wanted to commit evil.
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Im giving it once more chance after the current one if the current one blows up. The current one is soooo traditional in so many ways and has a stacked body but does not have a strong moral code. The next one will be a religious fundamentalist. After that, I'm giving up.

^This is a hopeless standpoint. He's already assuming that she's going to cheat. And my money's on her cheating as well. And it has nothing to do with the woman.

Who would want to be around someone that lives in fear of her cheating, waiting for the day he finds out? Looking for it, second guessing everything she does. If anything, IMO that would drive her to cheat. From being on here a year, I do believe Pairs to be a good natured guy, and I don't believe he would cheat on her, and I do believe he is looking for one woman and would treat her great. Which, believe it or not, is the most frustrating thing about this whole issue. Guys like pairs constantly getting cheated on, but refusing to believe it had anything to do with them.

Since day one, I've heard a few of you, Pairs mostly, cherp about women and how they will cheat on you. I've engaged in a few debates over the topic, but it rarely to never changes any of these guy's minds. I'm hoping that some poor sacs out there observing, are taking this in and coming to their own conclusion. However, everytime one of these threads pop up their will be posters objecting to what you and Pairs say. Every time from my recollection.

New Poster: Not all women will cheat on you.
Jaded posters: Yes they will. You need to set boundaries and/or watch them like a hawk, or else they will cheat.
New Poster: Not in my experience. I actually broke up with my last gf, she wouldn't leave me alone, she became too needy. I ended up cheating on her, there's no way she would have cheated on me.

This is when you posters who have gotten cheated on should say:
Oh really new poster, that's interesting. Please tell me what you did, how you came to that point in your relationship where you believed there was no way she would cheat on you. Maybe you could teach me a thing or two.

Instead: It's ignored, or he's written off as the being full of $hit or ignorant to his gf's cheating, because she probably did cheat on him. Then poster is usually ridiculed or laughed at but definitely argued against. The guy who doesn't get cheated on is always told he is doing it wrong from the guy who has gotten cheated on.

These threads do nothing but make you guys re-convince and re-instill yourselves with the fear of women cheating.

HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS TRY LISTENING TO THE GUYS WHO DON'T GET CHEATED ON.

Let's do a thread where the guys who get/got cheated on ask the questions to the guys that don't get cheated on. And for the sake of science, just listen and try to UNDERSTAND what these guys are saying.

Lastly: Believe it or not, guys do break up with girls. It's not only the women who break up with the men. That's why, if anything, I thought that 50% was lower when it came to BF/GF. I would also assume, that after years of marriage, and of the pressure to stay married (kids, social status, comfort, actual love without physical attraction, etc.) that women will get their sex elsewhere in order to still be happily married. Where there would be a lot less pressure to stay together if it was just a BF/GF.

 

[VikingKing]

So, if you set the boundary with her at the beginning, does that mean she won't like spending alone time with dude?

Would Exception's girl have rather been with Exception? Or would she have rather been with that guy doing the class project?

That's the question that should be asked.

Is away time good for the relationship? "Not with another guy!" What if that guy's a beta so it will just re-instill how lucky she is to be with a guy like Exception?

Would that actually be a good thing?

I may or may not have been cheated on. I think my ex from when I was 19 did, but I dont care at this point. I never really worried about it. My previous one, I never really worried about it either. In highschool Im quite sure one of my ex's cheated, but I never was paranoid about it.

In the future I won't be either, but I will keep my eyes open.

Its one thing for them to have a project together. But still they should go to a public place on their own, out of respect for you.

I was never paranoid about that.



^This is a hopeless standpoint. He's already assuming that she's going to cheat. And my money's on her cheating as well. And it has nothing to do with the woman.

Who would want to be around someone that lives in fear of her cheating, waiting for the day he finds out? Looking for it, second guessing everything she does. If anything, IMO that would drive her to cheat. From being on here a year, I do believe Pairs to be a good natured guy, and I don't believe he would cheat on her, and I do believe he is looking for one woman and would treat her great. Which, believe it or not, is the most frustrating thing about this whole issue. Guys like pairs constantly getting cheated on, but refusing to believe it had anything to do with them.

Since day one, I've heard a few of you, Pairs mostly, cherp about women and how they will cheat on you. I've engaged in a few debates over the topic, but it rarely to never changes any of these guy's minds. I'm hoping that some poor sacs out there observing, are taking this in and coming to their own conclusion. However, everytime one of these threads pop up their will be posters objecting to what you and Pairs say. Every time from my recollection.

New Poster: Not all women will cheat on you.
Jaded posters: Yes they will. You need to set boundaries and/or watch them like a hawk, or else they will cheat.
New Poster: Not in my experience. I actually broke up with my last gf, she wouldn't leave me alone, she became too needy. I ended up cheating on her, there's no way she would have cheated on me.

This is when you posters who have gotten cheated on should say:
Oh really new poster, that's interesting. Please tell me what you did, how you came to that point in your relationship where you believed there was no way she would cheat on you. Maybe you could teach me a thing or two.

Instead: It's ignored, or he's written off as the being full of $hit or ignorant to his gf's cheating, because she probably did cheat on him. Then poster is usually ridiculed or laughed at but definitely argued against. The guy who doesn't get cheated on is always told he is doing it wrong from the guy who has gotten cheated on.

These threads do nothing but make you guys re-convince and re-instill yourselves with the fear of women cheating.

HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS TRY LISTENING TO THE GUYS WHO DON'T GET CHEATED ON.

Let's do a thread where the guys who get/got cheated on ask the questions to the guys that don't get cheated on. And for the sake of science, just listen and try to UNDERSTAND what these guys are saying.

Lastly: Believe it or not, guys do break up with girls. It's not only the women who break up with the men. That's why, if anything, I thought that 50% was lower when it came to BF/GF. I would also assume, that after years of marriage, and of the pressure to stay married (kids, social status, comfort, actual love without physical attraction, etc.) that women will get their sex elsewhere in order to still be happily married. Where there would be a lot less pressure to stay together if it was just a BF/GF.

I was never paranoid about this topic. In retrospect I think a couple of my exs from when I was younger may have cheated, but I dont care now, it was long ago.

My ex was supposedly a good girl, and her behaivor showed it also for 90% of the relationship. But who knows what she did near the end, maybe nothing.

Im not going to judge future girls on my ex's though.

When you get a new one, you just have to watch her behavior. Patterns tend to repeat themselves, but not always.

 

[3agle 3yes]

Interesting discussion...especially the last 2 pages.

I must agree with Peaks&Valleys though, this idea that women go around f*cking everyone all the time is starting to bore me.

We must try to understand the nature of women...A woman's primary need is ATTENTION.

Some will do ANYTHING to get it, but of course women in general will do as little as possible to get it.

Every woman that spends time on her appearance does it for male attention.

Now, some women believe they must make themselves sexually available to be more appealing to men.

Some women are willing to cheat on their husbands to get it.

Some do it for the sex, but I assure you, MOST do it for male attention.

The more attractive the woman, the less she has to do to get male attention...Just my experience, but I believe this to be mostly true.

Also, women can't just simply jump on men and demand to be ****ed (in general anyway), they simply make themselves available...most men are too p*ssy to make anything of this though.

Also one more thing.

As far as I'm concerned marrying someone for "love" is, was and always will be total BS...

You should NEVER marry for "love"...in fact I'm sure marrying for "love" is a recent phenomenon because our ancestors rarely ever did this...

A marriage is simply a legal obligation between two people who want to join two families together...either as a sign of an alliance or for social advantages.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

The current one is soooo traditional in so many ways and has a stacked body but does not have a strong moral code. The next one will be a religious fundamentalist. After that, I'm giving up.

^This is a hopeless standpoint. He's already assuming that she's going to cheat. And my money's on her cheating as well. And it has nothing to do with the woman.

who said anything about cheating except you? Most relationships end, nothing wrong with considering the future. You're really unreal in the way you just make sh!t up :crazy:

What does the "strong moral code" thing mean? That you're scared she's going to break the law and go to jail? That's how your relationship will end? Also, isn't that what this whole thread is about, women cheating?

Do you see here Paris (no you don't), either way, you're worried about your relationship ending. YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP ENDING. YOUR FRAME IS WEAK. I wonder if she's worried about the relationship ending....

Anyways, you left out the other quote where I referred to you making a hopeless statement.

The thing that makes my skin crawl about women that do this is that they literally get off doing fvcked up sh!t like this, its not like you fvcked her she just wanted to commit evil.

You are grouping all women together here^. As in they're all evil. And that is the cause for them cheating. Your logic: They will cheat because they're evil, and that's just the way it is. Nothing you can do about it. i.e. being hopeless.

Listen to the guys with no dating experience? how could you not get cheated on unless you are dumpster diving or in total denial?

This one speaks for itself Pairs. I believe you just re-iterated my whole point.

I once had sex on vacation with a girl who had a fiance. Her rationalization for cheating was that "they weren't married yet". Plus, her fiance was too jealous and didn't want her to hang out with men. In other words, it's okay to cheat on your fiance if he suspects that you might be a cheater. Only a woman could come up with such tangled logic.

This goes back to my point that the entire foundation of you and Exception's philosophy is the utter horsesh!t that women make up to justify bad behavior. This is just what the woman is saying to the man so that the man (who she assumes has adopted the same feminist theory you have) feels like the husband "deserved it". The woman gave another completely psychotic rationalization as well... "they weren't married yet". Such a credible source

This woman IS a *****. You really believe that that's her husband's fault?

Lets break this one down, what we know:
Woman was engaged.
Man had boundaries in place, or in one form or another told her he didn't like her hanging out around other men.
She thought he was Jealous because of it.
She still cheated on him.
AND OMG.....wait for it....it wasn't with an orbiter or guy friend, it was with a random new guy.

So yes, it does prove Exceptions and my point. To a T.

This goes back to my point that the entire foundation of you and Exception's philosophy is the utter horsesh!t

How you can post something like ^this in response to it is beyond me. Can't even recognize that this one example relates DIRECTLY to what we're trying to say? It's just one example though, so I wouldn't base our case just on that.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

being so argumentative and picking fights? You are searching this thread for little comments you can make about things that don't concern you or have anything to do with the topic. You're making pointless NAWALT bs posts, that is the sure sign of someone who just wants to argue for the sake of it or to protect ego investment to "win."

You're not equipped for it, you don't have the capacity to do it. State your argument and stop trying to nitpick all the time, get a life.

Judging by your first post in this thread it sounds like you're the one trying to pick fights. For the most part, I was actually trying to help, if you could look at it that way. Anyways, as for the rest of your above post, your wish is granted, you can have the last word on all of that.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

My first post was that 50% of married women cheat

Yeah, you would be confused.

How do you conveniently leave out the rest of your post? Do you just think that no one can just go back and look? I'm not talking about the EDIT either.