Will Tate's dis-association cause the manosphere to drift to a more traditional narrative

[CornbreadFed]

Some points to consider

1). Rollo is one of the top leading brands of the RP and he is married

2). The current RP is not working for most men. People are either dropping ship or getting canceled and fresh and fit is in decline.

3). The current RP needs serious revision and redirection if it wants to pivot to a more traditional route.

4). I think men will find a healthy relationship more fulfilling than spinning plates with low-quality women in the long run.

 

[Solomon]

The current RP isn't working because it's outdated and now based on these Whatever Or Justpearlythings podcast trying to have viral moments by dunking on thots. Everyone is focused on viral clickbait and you have a hideous woman Justpearlythings (a hard Wisconsin 4) who is now the face of the RP. The whole space has turned into a grift and a joke

Most of the advice is not applicable for the everyday guy watching that's trying to improve with women. Most men will never meet an onlyfans thot much less have a chance with one unless they paying for the box. The old and try method of self-improvement works

Working out
Becoming more confident
Making more money
Improving your social circle
Improving your relationship with God
Improving social skills learning social mastery

These all work, and this site is proof of that with thousands of men who have seen results over the last two decades. This whole "HIgh Value Man" b.s. that the only way you can get a woman by making 6 figure plus is bullshyt. Yes making more money will give you access to women etc but if you don't have social skills, charisma, game etc good luck

^^This guy is suppose to be teaching men how to be "Alpha" or "High Value" yet he gets trigged like a beta bytch cause he got rated a 2, the podcasts is ghetto trash with more grifting, No wonder modern men gravitate towards Andrew Tate cause he has the image of an alpha man while you have these RP dorks trying to be alpha.

The RP in 2023 is a podcast gimmick to dunk on wh0res, I truly miss the days when you earned your stripes by hitting the field, fucc bring RSD back lol

 

[Dr.Suave]

I think men will find a healthy relationship more fulfilling than spinning plates with low-quality women in the long run.

Pleasure of sex guys? Yes. Thrill of the Hunt Guys? They spin plates for life

 

[Robert28]

Some points to consider

1). Rollo is one of the top leading brands of the RP and he is married

2). The current RP is not working for most men. People are either dropping ship or getting canceled and fresh and fit is in decline.

3). The current RP needs serious revision and redirection if it wants to pivot to a more traditional route.

4). I think men will find a healthy relationship more fulfilling than spinning plates with low-quality women in the long run.

Rollo is a weird looking dude and his wife isn’t hot. I’m not taking advice from anyone that can’t prove they can get hot women. he doesn’t know what he’s talking about anyways, I’ve never listened to him.

 

[Solomon]

Rollo is a weird looking dude and his wife isn’t hot. I’m not taking advice from anyone that can’t prove they can get hot women. he doesn’t know what he’s talking about anyways, I’ve never listened to him.

I remember arguing with Rollo about High End Club Social Circle game back in 2009, he had no clue WTF he was talking about, the guys been out of the game for so long, it makes sense why he envies the Tate's cause that's how Rollo in his mind thinks himself to be but the Tate's really got it out the mud from combat fighting to smashing hot thots (not saying the cam girl thing is something to brag about because it's not) But while the Tate's where becoming kickboxing legends Rollo was in a semi-dark room writing books. Rollo is not qualified to talk about being a player. How many approaches has he dones in the last 2 years? the last 5 years? the last 6 months? Rollo is going of what he sees on Tik TOk and Fresh and Fit podcasts. It's easy to tell when a guy is infield and a guy who is not.

Rollo is on his last hurray he will be irrelevant by the time the next decade rolls around, the guy hasn't been infield for 30 years but wrote a book called "The Players Handbook" let me find out Rollo is cheating on his wife lmfao

 

[Kotaix]

Some points to consider

1). Rollo is one of the top leading brands of the RP and he is married

2). The current RP is not working for most men. People are either dropping ship or getting canceled and fresh and fit is in decline.

3). The current RP needs serious revision and redirection if it wants to pivot to a more traditional route.

4). I think men will find a healthy relationship more fulfilling than spinning plates with low-quality women in the long run.

Rollo is starting to look like an old fat version of Brett Michaels.

 

[CornbreadFed]

^^This guy is suppose to be teaching men how to be "Alpha" or "High Value" yet he gets trigged like a beta bytch cause he got rated a 2, the podcasts is ghetto trash with more grifting, No wonder modern men gravitate towards Andrew Tate cause he has the image of an alpha man while you have these RP dorks trying to be alpha.

Andrew Tateism and those fresh and fit-style podcasts as a whole appeal to a more urban/inner city working-class population in general.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

The Manosphere and Red Pill movement was originally started to help men self-improve in today's feminine climate and the Red Pill was focused solely on sexual strategy, that is what the whole idea was founded on. However, a lot of guys found that talking to women you do not know and becoming the kind of guy that actually gets girls takes a lot of work and a lot of investment. As a result, dudes turned into sore losers and movements like MGTOW propped up.

Overtime, these movements started to gain more momentum because it is easier to b1tch about how awful women are and swear you are going your own way (despite being involved with every dating related convo on the web you can be) than it is to become the guy who actually gets good with women.

Clowns like those in MGTOW and others way deep in politics got too much of a voice and eventually, the Red Pill fell apart. We stopped being objective with how we judged its leaders (does this guy get laid? is he going to help men get laid?) and started being more subjective. Now losers who cannot attract a woman to save their lives got clout because they said the things that appealed to bitter men with a victim's mentality. No one was there to shut these guys up so they just grew and grew and grew, pushing a lot of men in the wrong direction.

Now the "Red Pill" could be whatever you wanted. It was no longer sexual strategy, it could be MGTOWs feeling like they are above getting with women and bitter incels having a huge voice. It fell apart because no one kicked these morons out. Why discuss sexual strategy now? Let's just whine about politics and society 24/7 on an internet forum while putting on the mask of going your own way and supposedly not caring about women.

IMO, the best resource in the PUA, Manosphere, and Red Pill world was the Good Looking Loser Forum. It forced men to start field reports, invest in their looks, hold themselves accountable, not waste time with theory, and put in the serious work. It showed in the outcomes too as a lot of dudes entered the forum as either virgins or struggling and left with a high lay count.

Until we get a movement which is forced on field reports, lay reports with proof, and actual accountability, I don't really think the Manosphere heads in any good dierection.

 

[DreamAgain]

The current RP isn't working because it's outdated and now based on these Whatever Or Justpearlythings podcast trying to have viral moments by dunking on thots. Everyone is focused on viral clickbait and you have a hideous woman Justpearlythings (a hard Wisconsin 4) who is now the face of the RP. The whole space has turned into a grift and a joke

Most of the advice is not applicable for the everyday guy watching that's trying to improve with women. Most men will never meet an onlyfans thot much less have a chance with one unless they paying for the box. The old and try method of self-improvement works

Working out
Becoming more confident
Making more money
Improving your social circle
Improving your relationship with God
Improving social skills learning social mastery

These all work, and this site is proof of that with thousands of men who have seen results over the last two decades. This whole "HIgh Value Man" b.s. that the only way you can get a woman by making 6 figure plus is bullshyt. Yes making more money will give you access to women etc but if you don't have social skills, charisma, game etc good luck

^^This guy is suppose to be teaching men how to be "Alpha" or "High Value" yet he gets trigged like a beta bytch cause he got rated a 2, the podcasts is ghetto trash with more grifting, No wonder modern men gravitate towards Andrew Tate cause he has the image of an alpha man while you have these RP dorks trying to be alpha.

The RP in 2023 is a podcast gimmick to dunk on wh0res, I truly miss the days when you earned your stripes by hitting the field, fucc bring RSD back lol

This is largely true.

That list of 6 things you listed is what everyone should be doing. But you are over looking one other factor.

Women don't like to be pumped and dumped. They put up a facade that they don't care, or that they are "players too", but actually it hurts their ego tremendously. However, they also have a drive to mate with the best possible man they can. Or at least, they did because it offered them societal protection and benefits in many ways before.

Now, women have most of their base needs met, hell they have lesser sex drives than us so they aren't even really looking to date all that seriously.

I think you are underestimating how much simping via social media and dating apps has skewed everything. These women need to improve their attributes as well in order to be good matches with high value men. But, as we see, even average or below average women get hoards of attention, much more than above average men, and offers for dating.

What you get a as a result of this is a reluctance for higher value men to settle for these lower women, and these lower women are reluctant to go out too much with these higher value men because she senses she will be pumped and dumped.

So, the issue becomes, without me rambling too much, that even as a high value man your pickings for an adequate partner are very slim nowadays. There are much more higher quality men than there are women out there. So the market is simply way too skewed. So this is where the red pill falls apart nowadays. You can do all this self improvement, do all this effort, and yet...your results will still probably suck because you are fishing for prime alaskan salmon in a desert mostly everywhere you go.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

So, the issue becomes, without me rambling too much, that even as a high value man your pickings for an adequate partner are very slim nowadays. There are much more higher quality men than there are women out there. So the market is simply way too skewed. So this is where the red pill falls apart nowadays. You can do all this self improvement, do all this effort, and yet...your results will still probably suck because you are fishing for prime alaskan salmon in a desert mostly everywhere you go.

Guys give themselves too much credit when it comes to "self improvement". "Self improvement" with the wrong direction is a waste of time and delusional. Dudes will listen to some Aristotle or Marcus Aurelius book when their intention is to get laid and meet lots of women. Nah bro, getting laid does not mean becoming Buddha or going on some mental journey with ancient philosophers, do that for a philosophy class in college or for personal self-development not centered around the lay.

When you have an entire movement that, on the daily, berates women that go out at night to bars and clubs as well as the lifestyle of such women, then how are you going to train an entire group of men to get those very women? Reading books and listening to some tales from the 50s and how things used to be is not going to do it.

To get laid, you have to make your self improvement focused on just that, getting laid. It is definitely a long process full of tons of hurdles and difficulties but overtime, it starts to slowly pay off (albeit inconsistently). But to get laid or even get women, you have to focus your self improvement on that very thing.

It is not putting pu$$y on the pedestal, it is being real with yourself.

To get girls, you have to look your best, go out, talk to them, and yeah, take part in the lifestyle they are a part of.

You are not pulling some stunner 22 year old that goes to the best nightclubs on weekend when you sit indoors and read Aristotle on a Friday and Saturday night, it's more like than not going to fail.

 

[Solomon]

So, the issue becomes, without me rambling too much, that even as a high value man your pickings for an adequate partner are very slim nowadays. There are much more higher quality men than there are women out there. So the market is simply way too skewed. So this is where the red pill falls apart nowadays. You can do all this self improvement, do all this effort, and yet...your results will still probably suck because you are fishing for prime alaskan salmon in a desert mostly everywhere you go.

Most HVM wanna get married or settle down eventually. You forget that HVM aren't regular guys, they have access/proximity to women that the average guy doesn't have access to, hence the quality is not just better with looks but behavior as well among other factors. If he is unable to meet said women he has the ability to travel around. A buddy of mine is a pilot and literally has women all over the world from LA to Paris. Heck he once traveled to LA on a Saturday to get IN and Out burger then flew back to the Midwest. The average guy doesn't have the luxury to do shyt like that. Most men will never hit the 6/7 ceiling threshold those guys are rare. Don't be fooled by social media thinking everyone is balling or living that life, there is a reason the 80/20 Pareto principle exists

A guy making 6/7 figures with a solid network doesn't have to resort to dating apps to find a quality girl. Most HVM that you see that do that are using dating apps to fucc and not meet girlfriends, they meet their girlfriends in real life

I do agree with you that social media fucced the game up this is something I myself have talked about for years but the HVM has far better pickings than a guy working 9-5 making 40K a year. However a guy who is fat, and gets jack is gonna get better results than most men we see this all time

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^^If you don't think "Self Improvement" worked for those guys you kidding yourself, it's as far as you are willing to take it, bet you a million bucks they get hotter women now than before

 

[DreamAgain]

Guys give themselves too much credit when it comes to "self improvement". "Self improvement" with the wrong direction is a waste of time and delusional. Dudes will listen to some Aristotle or Marcus Aurelius book when their intention is to get laid and meet lots of women. Nah bro, getting laid does not mean becoming Buddha or going on some mental journey with ancient philosophers, do that for a philosophy class in college or for personal self-development not centered around the lay.

When you have an entire movement that, on the daily, berates women that go out at night to bars and clubs as well as the lifestyle of such women, then how are you going to train an entire group of men to get those very women? Reading books and listening to some tales from the 50s and how things used to be is not going to do it.

To get laid, you have to make your self improvement focused on just that, getting laid. It is definitely a long process full of tons of hurdles and difficulties but overtime, it starts to slowly pay off (albeit inconsistently). But to get laid or even get women, you have to focus your self improvement on that very thing.

It is not putting pu$$y on the pedestal, it is being real with yourself.

To get girls, you have to look your best, go out, talk to them, and yeah, take part in the lifestyle they are a part of.

You are not pulling some stunner 22 year old that goes to the best nightclubs on weekend when you sit indoors and read Aristotle on a Friday and Saturday night, it's more like than not going to fail.

This is correct.

 

[kavi]

The reason is its all a sham and ppl can see it. None of these andrew tate or fresh and fit nor most guys on the manoshpere have real game. So for this reason RP and manoshpere is just about 'trad' and blaming women but no guy is talking about game or being alpha. Fresh and Fit is not a manosphere guy he is just a fitness guy who uses YT show to get fame and money, same with pearlythings. there is no new content here its all rehashed from 10+ years ago with just new faces and more polished YT media. The reason is none of these ppl like tate, ff or jpt things have any real knowledge on the topic.

 

[Luni]

Everyone is focused on viral clickbait and you have a hideous woman Justpearlythings (a hard Wisconsin 4) who is now the face of the RP.

hilarious. rest in peace Kevin Samuels