Why We Fight ......

[Morphiex]

Anyone seen this movie , its a great movie that puts teh current war on iraq into perspective , and Americans should really see this and start doing sumthing about the greedy mess you have gotten ellected into your government.....

Even eisenhower (sp), a former USA president, predicted that the Military Industrial Complex would eventually gain enough power and control to push the world into the state wich it is in now...
The military industrial complex thrives off of killing people, and most of all war. The less war there is, the less need for a military industrial complex there is. So what happens when America is not at war? The military industrial complex simply makes up a false enemy, starts a war, and makes a profit from the weapons that kill thousands. If war were not so profitable, it would occur much less often, simply because Americans do not want Theyr American citizens dying without just cause.In the past 30 years or so there have been around 30 wars, most of them small wars , but a few of them really big wars......

And thats not all There has been shown some disturbing evidence wich questions the vice president involvement into the aproval of the war, the funding for the war and the spending of the war...
As he has former long term relationships and current friendships with the leaders of a huge military equipment/amunations provider.
And within those evidence are bank statements wich shows that the vice president has earned over 50 million dollars the past few years , is it a coincidence that the vice president and The company wich he has former relationships with would be becoming more wealthy at the same time when military funding is at its highest for America in all of America`s History......

and you know what is truly disturbing , YOU AMERICANS have been given these evidence aswell , they are out there in the news , on the internet , You have even heard a statement from the president saying that Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terrorisme and the 9 / 11 tragedy , when he already first implicated otherwise in 2001 when he declared war on iraq... YOUR GOVERNMENT has proven to be flawed again and again , you are letting yourselfs be used and abused as tools to further the selfish policy of a group of individuals who lie to you and disregards your well-being.
You wanna know what the true power of a government is .... ?
ITS THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY , not the presidetn not the congress members not the vicepresident , the true power is in the hands of its people..
YOU AMERICANS have the opertunity to grab that power , but instead you put your earplugs in and grab your ****s instead.... For Fu'cks Sake PLEEEASE do Something about your government before they destroy not just your country but the rest of the world aswell , We the other Nations of This blue Planet beg you the american people to take action against these atrocities wich your government is doing now and rather then trying to force change onto others try to come together in friendship and build a better future.... Cuz the way things are now there seems to be no future for us to live in....

 

[mahon83050]

Anyone seen this movie , its a great movie that puts teh current war on iraq into perspective , and Americans should really see this and start doing sumthing about the greedy mess you have gotten ellected into your government.....

Even eisenhower (sp), a former USA president, predicted that the Military Industrial Complex would eventually gain enough power and control to push the world into the state wich it is in now...
The military industrial complex thrives off of killing people, and most of all war. The less war there is, the less need for a military industrial complex there is. So what happens when America is not at war? The military industrial complex simply makes up a false enemy, starts a war, and makes a profit from the weapons that kill thousands. If war were not so profitable, it would occur much less often, simply because Americans do not want Theyr American citizens dying without just cause.In the past 30 years or so there have been around 30 wars, most of them small wars , but a few of them really big wars......

And thats not all There has been shown some disturbing evidence wich questions the vice president involvement into the aproval of the war, the funding for the war and the spending of the war...
As he has former long term relationships and current friendships with the leaders of a huge military equipment/amunations provider.
And within those evidence are bank statements wich shows that the vice president has earned over 50 million dollars the past few years , is it a coincidence that the vice president and The company wich he has former relationships with would be becoming more wealthy at the same time when military funding is at its highest for America in all of America`s History......

and you know what is truly disturbing , YOU AMERICANS have been given these evidence aswell , they are out there in the news , on the internet , You have even heard a statement from the president saying that Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terrorisme and the 9 / 11 tragedy , when he already first implicated otherwise in 2001 when he declared war on iraq... YOUR GOVERNMENT has proven to be flawed again and again , you are letting yourselfs be used and abused as tools to further the selfish policy of a group of individuals who lie to you and disregards your well-being.
You wanna know what the true power of a government is .... ?
ITS THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY , not the presidetn not the congress members not the vicepresident , the true power is in the hands of its people..
YOU AMERICANS have the opertunity to grab that power , but instead you put your earplugs in and grab your ****s instead.... For Fu'cks Sake PLEEEASE do Something about your government before they destroy not just your country but the rest of the world aswell , We the other Nations of This blue Planet beg you the american people to take action against these atrocities wich your government is doing now and rather then trying to force change onto others try to come together in friendship and build a better future.... Cuz the way things are now there seems to be no future for us to live in....

In case you have not noticed, most Americans are against the war in Iraq, including myself. I am not against it because I feel bad for the Iraqi's getting killed (Well, I do feel bad for the innoncent women and children) but I don't like seeing American and British soldiers getting killed over oil and for a country who does not even want us there. Do the Iraqi's want a Democracy? Probably not. It is not like they asked us to come over there.

I support the troops (American, Iraqi and other coalition forces 100%) but I dislike the politicians.

 

[djbr]

I feel this thread is going to be closed by a moderator.

But that's just a feeling.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

We fight cuz its kewl.

 

[Shiftkey]

and you know what is truly disturbing , YOU AMERICANS have been given these evidence aswell , they are out there in the news , on the internet , You have even heard a statement from the president saying that Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terrorisme and the 9 / 11 tragedy , when he already first implicated otherwise in 2001 when he declared war on iraq... YOUR GOVERNMENT has proven to be flawed again and again , you are letting yourselfs be used and abused as tools to further the selfish policy of a group of individuals who lie to you and disregards your well-being.
You wanna know what the true power of a government is .... ?
ITS THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY , not the presidetn not the congress members not the vicepresident , the true power is in the hands of its people..

No, what's disturbing is that we elected him for a second term, and in doing so we condoned the lies of this administration. Well, at least 53% of us did. I sure as hell didn't vote for that fvcker.

*waits for the thread to be locked...*

 

[Morphiex]

In case you have not noticed, most Americans are against the war in Iraq, including myself. I am not against it because I feel bad for the Iraqi's getting killed (Well, I do feel bad for the innoncent women and children) but I don't like seeing American and British soldiers getting killed over oil and for a country who does not even want us there. Do the Iraqi's want a Democracy? Probably not. It is not like they asked us to come over there.

I support the troops (American, Iraqi and other coalition forces 100%) but I dislike the politicians.

im sorry i should have statede this part clearly , i understand that Americans are against the war in iraq , and yes i think that pulling out now would be a paralyzing disaster for the iraqy (sp) people...
What i want to see is that the people of America atleast tries to get the people responsible for all the crap , not just the war , but the misleading of the truth on the war in iraq, the several disturbing flawes your government has done , The incompentence in the true time of natural disaster crisises (hurricane katareina).... and even listining in on the people.....
Your government has doen all of this , and probably more that we dont know about.... yet still you people do nothing , you jsut sit and wait for other people to fix it.... But you have to understand that a Nation wich has as much influence and power as America cannot be allowed to make such mistakes , it doesnt just afect America It affects the whole planet....

And people stop blaming just bush , cant you see that he is just a puppet used by the true evil power in the government , wich imo are , members of congress , the vice president & that motherfuc'king as'shole rumpsphell (sp)....they are just using bush as an escape goat when the time comes again and again.....

and sorry if this gets closed , but i just wanted to say something.... this **** has gone on for tooo long......

 

[diplomatic_lies]

Well I think most anti-Bush comments come from anti-Bush people, but you dont hear much from the silent majority who elected him, cuz they dont need to complain.

If Al Gore got elected, the pro-Bush people would be making just as much racket.

 

[Jariel]

In my opinion, people who are willing to murder total strangers because their government tell them to deserve to die...just as much as the other poor bastard.

Sure, they might go into battle believing they are fighting a good cause, but so does the enemy! You have to be a fool to trust politicians...or religious leaders!

Personally, I pick my own battles. If anyone crosses me, my family or friends, they have a fight on their hands - I might even step in to save an innocent victim from an attacker - but I will never fight on behalf of my government.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

In my opinion, people who are willing to murder total strangers because their government tell them to deserve to die...just as much as the other poor bastard.

Yeah, I agree. You Brits should've let the Germans take you over.

 

[October]

Interesting thread. Yes, I agree, certainly Bush is a puppet. Not an incredibly intelligent one, at that, either. There is definitely something larger controlling behind the scenes...maybe Kerry was thrown in the 2004 election as a candidate to lose? Or...can you believe that more than half of the country actually agrees with Bush?

The politicians, also, are pretty greedy. Greedy for power, money, and all of that, for sure.

But the thing is, I'm not so sure about Iraq either. I mean, sure, it's served as a successful distraction for a lot of the other problems the government has had...and it also seems to have had little connection with 9/11. But...people are ****ing animals, man. ****ing animals, I'm not joking. Even worse than animals, maybe. Unless you control them...they'll rip your head off.

Because of that, power is key in politics...kill or be killed...at least that's the way it's been. Peace treaties haven't worked in the past, and everyone just ends up breaking them (i.e. WWII). Even Americans break our own treaties (Native Americans).

Seems like for that reason...Communism didn't work...nor does bargaining or setting up some peace agreement. Appeasement didn't work very well with Hitler. Chances are, they would've blown us off the planet if they had the opportunity...I think that was what they said, anyway.

But still, I don't think that means that people can't change, or that what we're doing is any more "right". I'm certain that most internationals think very poorly of America in general...seemingly because of our arrogance. I'm thinking that we're setting ourselves up for something disastrous...stock market crash is coming in one or two years, refusing to sign a ****ing Kyoto Protocal, outsourcing jobs to India and China and stuff like that, 9 ****ing trillion dollars in debt...I think it's bull****. It's only making us look bad, it's only make our country weaker as a whole.

I think that, in a democracy, people have the power...but in this case, I think America is becoming less democratic and increasingly totalitarian.

Furthermore, I don't think people really care enough to make a change. I think that, as long as they're getting what they want, or as long as they have the momentary pleasure, they could care less. Screw thinking in the long-term, momentary pleasure matters more to most.

Look at this forum. A Don Juan is the epitome of sex-seeking human, adapted to society/civilization. The end goal of most of the teachings on this board is always sex...everything as a means to an end...for sex...for social viability...I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I think we have more significant issues to devote ourselves to.

Seems like all people really care about is immediate, hedonistic pleasures...regardless of the consequences. Most diseases, ill health, and stuff like that are a result of improper diet...yet how many are willing to give that up? Not only that, but most of the processed stuff we eat is just plain poison and screwing up our bodies and the environment...yet taste still precedes any of these other factors. Drugs, cigarettes, and all of that...that stuff ****s you up big time...yet...people still think you should just "live it up" and do it anyway. Most people just want to get rich...for what? To buy expensive toys, to satisfy those egotistical pleasures?

Basically, I think something has to change for the situation to get any better. I think it's a lot more complicated than just advocating against the war or the government.

 

[Shiftkey]

Well I think most anti-Bush comments come from anti-Bush people, but you dont hear much from the silent majority who elected him, cuz they dont need to complain.

If Al Gore got elected, the pro-Bush people would be making just as much racket.

No, many of the people who elected him are complaining too. That's why his approval rating is around 30% (lowest since Hoover was blamed with the great depression). And they should complain - I'm baffled why more people aren't. Really, the partisan bullsh1t has gone on long enough. You shouldn't support someone just because they're in the same political party or because you voted for them in the election. If they fvck up as bad as he has, you don't support them!

Those are the problems with democracy: apathy, stupidity, and selfishness

While I don't agree with the terrorists' methods, I'm thinking more and more that democracy just doesn't work in the long run.

 

[Jariel]

Yeah, I agree. You Brits should've let the Germans take you over.

Where Germany failed, America succeeded, so England lost its independence in the end anyway.

 

[Shiftkey]

Where Germany failed, America succeeded, so England lost its independence in the end anyway.

That's going a bit too far. I can laugh at a good Hitler/Bush compairson, but there's no way the US is nearly as bad as Nazi Germany.

At least not yet :nervous:

 

[Brian20o2]

I agree that America is going down the drain. In fact I can see it already. I have no idea how Bush could be elected a second time after how bad things have been going.

The American dollar is devaluating. We are trillions in debt yet nobody wants to pay taxes to fix it.

America is fvcked up. Now I love my counrty but I hate what the government is doing. Once I turn 18 I will be one of the few (40%) who acctually vote in elections. I am trying to figure out other ways to help get our government in order.

People need to realise where America is headed. But unfortunatly probably 75% of America is ignorant and/or in denial.I

sure as hell hope that we get some good people running is our next election. And not one who waves around words like morality. One that will acctually work hard to fix things.

 

[PeterNorthisawesome]

Well I think most anti-Bush comments come from anti-Bush people, but you dont hear much from the silent majority who elected him, cuz they dont need to complain.

If Al Gore got elected, the pro-Bush people would be making just as much racket.

Not true because there WOULDN'T BE A WAR IN IRAQ! Bush lied to the public of weapons of mass descrtuction just so he could have an excuse to attack. Sure attacking Afganistan was justified since we were attacted by terrorist who came from there and received equipment and training from Bin Laden who was ALSO THERE. Now we're stuck in Iraq like Vietnam, all Bush has to do is pullout all US troops and apologize for his mistake.

Why don't we attack NORTH KOREA which has WEAPONS of mass destruction and who LAUNCHED A MISSILE OVER JAPAN (Allie) because we won't profit from it and there aren't enough men in the army anymore.

U.S. is spending way too much money on it's military, we spend about 10% of the annual budget on military costs. We go to war to make money like in WWI and WWII, the problem with this war is that the money made in Iraq is going to Bush and his friends / administration and not to the government who could use the money to pay off debts to Japan and China. We're spending money we don't have so the debt is going to continue to grow.

I also hate when people referance WWII, it's the PAST noone really cares! Did the US help allies win? Yes but so did the Soviets and the Brits, it was a effort from all countries.

Also I don't think mods will close this thread unless they're all republicans since it's in ANYTHING ELSE.

 

[Brian20o2]

WW2 was the last good war (Good meaning justified and worth it). In my opinion at least.

 

[Shiftkey]

Also I don't think mods will close this thread unless they're all republicans since it's in ANYTHING ELSE.

When the Iraq War started, this forum was flooded with flame wars and spam about politics. Since then Allen (the site owner) decided to lock all threads on politics. Despite the fact that this was FOUR YEARS AGO the ban is still in effect. Unfortunately Allen hasn't had the foresight to post a concret code of conduct that everyone can reference so I can't prove it to you (until this thread is locked). But try doing a search and see how many threads you find on politics that aren't locked or deleted.

The only reason this thread hasn't been locked is because the mods are volunteers and likely don't moderate very often.

 

[Morphiex]

Why should this thread be locked or delled , we should he able to have an intelectual discussion about a serious problem wich effects the whole world without being cencored for our thoughts and beliefs.... yes i understand some ingnorant peopel will come here and spout theyr unreliable unjustified version of what they belive in wtihout doing eny research or understanding the situation this world is in... but then why shouldnt the mods just dellete those posts rather then a whole thread where atleast a few intelectual peopel can share theyr views and ideas on this issue......

and on another note , the reason why USA joined in WWII was because japan attacked them , yes they supported the war , but they only sent minimal backup , but when japan attacked USA they started the full bullsh'it with "they attacked the country of freedom and they shall be destroyed" wich is the same as now.... Dont get me wrong im glad that they did join , the war could probably not be won without them , but i dislike the porpuse for their involvment , they knew that hitler had killed many millions of jews a looong time before they joined in fully, many more lives could probably have been saved if they had joined sooner......

And about the Nuclear Weapons , USA Is the only country (i believe) wich has attacked a populated area with nuclear weapons TWICE ( hiroshima and nagasaki ) They say it was because they wanted them to surrender , but they were already willing to surrender 6 months before the bombing , The reason for the bombing is because USA wanted to see its power and they knew they could get away with killing so many and doing so much destruction because they controlled the media and told them that they were not going to surrender.....

Why other nations create nuclear weapons because they fear the USA , USA has shown its willing to do sooo much destruction to get theyr way across , wich strikes fear in the hearts of other countries..... So rather then submitting to the orders and power of a Coutnry wich is acting more and more selfish as tiem goes , they want a reasurence that the USA will never use the weapons against theyr countries cuz they have the same oppertunity to do it back to the USA.... But USA sees other nations as having nuclear weapons as a threat and personal attack , when its really a "failsafe" to keep USA from not using theyr weapons.... The only way to stop this fear of nuclear war , is for USA to start destroying theyr own Nuclear Weapons , then maby other countries can start destroying theyr nuclear weapons.....

 

[diablo]

Once again, let's try to clear this up:

NO DISCUSSIONS OF A POLITICAL NATURE ARE ALLOWED ON THIS WEBSITE.

If this last sentence contained too many words, I'll sum it up:

TALKING + POLITICS = NO

Thanks.