why lift?

[Anomalous]

STOP spending time at teh gym and use that time on the field. Use that time to get some. Looks is not the most important part of a dj. If your in desence shape or close to that their no need to try and get people to misstake you for ARNOLD SW....!!!

 

[gav]

shut up

 

[DogFashionDisco]

Why don't you shut the **** up!?

We work out so that we may attract more of the ladies to us, as well as it makes us feel better about ourselves. It's also healthy.

 

[Patrick124]

Its not even about the ladies for me.
I feel better, more confident, healthier and just all around happier since i began lifting.
It gives you time to clear your head, get some exercise and improve yourself.

And I'm not improving myself for the ladies. I'm improving because i want to be better tomorrow than I am today.

 

[MindOverMatter]

This thread is retarded.

First of all, I lift because my future career (law enforcement/swat) requires candidates to be in amazing physical condition. The strength gains I get from lifting help me in other areas of my life as well, such as my Muay Thai training. I also like the satisfaction I get once I set out and accomplish a goal, be it gaining 5 lbs of lean mass, or putting more weight on my maximum lifts.

Second of all, the gym IS one of my fields fool. I have picked up more girls at the gym then I have in a club or any other area. Not only do I have an easy time picking up (as most of the time the girls take notice of me before I even approach them), but I get a much hotter selection of girls then I would in another environment.

Third of all if you think looks don't matter, you are clueless. I've had girls chase me, approach me, ask me out, brag about me to their friends, and take me to pools or beaches just to stand beside me and show me off, show off my workout photos to their girlfriends, etc. I've had my female friends tell me about girls I never even met talking about me in the female locker room at the gym saying how hot I was.

I don't have to put on an act. I don't have to be a jerk, I don't have to be an *******, I don't have to be a don juan, use neg hits, c&f or any of that fake sh!t. I pick up girls by being myself.

Girls are just as visual as guys. If she doesn't find you attractive enough to f*ck, you wont tap that ass. People who say "looks don't matter" are usually not that good looking to begin with and are just lying to themselves.

 

[Jariel]

When you lift, you put yourself first, you always have goals to aim for and reasons to wake up in a morning; you're always building confidence and boldness, improving the way you look and feel, and this just gets better and better.

And as far as women, as Mindovermatter points out, it's much better to have a woman want to be with you and be proud of it, than to have to trick, manipulate or buy sex from her.

Besides, if you look good, are in good shape, you receive much more respect from people and your value in society increases too, meaning more opportunities and a better life for yourself.

 

[MetalFortress]

Originally posted by whyshy
STOP spending time at teh gym and use that time on the field. Use that time to get some. Looks is not the most important part of a dj. If your in desence shape or close to that their no need to try and get people to misstake you for ARNOLD SW....!!!

Dude, are you on drugs? You make the weirdest posts I have ever seen.

 

[al77]

I am not athletic so I have no hard time understanding the original question. I guess he just suggested to convert time spent in the gym into time spent in teh field...i.e. he was saying that experience\skills is more important for a guy than muscles...which is true.

It is also true that man's looks matter (for all women), and muscles matters (for many women). Lets just think a bit: do you want to date, have sex with a girl who is attracted to you based mostly on your athletic achievements? Thats fine of course, but how long that kind of relationship would last? Would you be really satisfied with her in other aspects? Depends on the goals the relationship of course.

Moreover, if your face looks way below average, no mount of muscles would change it drastically: you are quite lucky in "looks dept", my guess it is what they are attracted to even more.
Anyway, if you already have looks, and good physique, muscles - and a lot of dates, advice like "get out .. and go to the field to pick up CA" would sound really mindless...

But many guys dont have looks\height. For them it is much more important to develop their game, attitude, get experience...

Originally posted by MindOverMatter


Second of all, the gym IS one of my fields fool. I have picked up more girls at the gym then I have in a club or any other area. Not only do I have an easy time picking up (as most of the time the girls take notice of me before I even approach them), but I get a much hotter selection of girls then I would in another environment.

Third of all if you think looks don't matter, you are clueless. I've had girls chase me, approach me, ask me out, brag about me to their friends, and take me to pools or beaches just to stand beside me and show me off, show off my workout photos to their girlfriends, etc. I've had my female friends tell me about girls I never even met talking about me in the female locker room at the gym saying how hot I was.

I don't have to put on an act. I don't have to be a jerk, I don't have to be an *******, I don't have to be a don juan, use neg hits, c&f or any of that fake sh!t. I pick up girls by being myself.

Girls are just as visual as guys. If she doesn't find you attractive enough to f*ck, you wont tap that ass. People who say "looks don't matter" are usually not that good looking to begin with and are just lying to themselves.

 

[AbAbber2k]

Originally posted by whyshy
STOP spending time at teh gym and use that time on the field. Use that time to get some. Looks is not the most important part of a dj. If your in desence shape or close to that their no need to try and get people to misstake you for ARNOLD SW....!!!

Forget the gym... you need to spend a little more time GETTING AN EDUCATION.

 

[MindOverMatter]

It is also true that man's looks matter (for all women), and muscles matters (for many women). Lets just think a bit: do you want to date, have sex with a girl who is attracted to you based mostly on your athletic achievements? Thats fine of course, but how long that kind of relationship would last? Would you be really satisfied with her in other aspects? Depends on the goals the relationship of course.

God, how many times are you gonna ask this question. Just because a girl is attracted to you physically does not mean that's the only reason she wants to be with you. It's a f*cking bonus. You ask this question in every thread where people ask whether or not looks/working out matters. It's almost as if you're trying to convince everyone that being in your best shape is BAD for attracting decent women.

I'll explain this to you one more time, and please listen this time...

Your looks initially HOOK the girl, your personality/everything else keeps her. The fact is, while you may not work out because you want to attract a girl with chemistry alone, a guy that looks better then you can attract her more easily, and develop chemistry with her just the same.

EXAMPLE

You go out with a girl and have an awesome date and establish chemistry, she goes home and thinks "wow I have great chemistry with this guy"

the next day, she goes out with another guy (testing the waters as single women do), who is much better looking then you, and she has an awesome date and establishes the same level of chemistry. She goes home and thinks "wow I have great chemistry with this guy, and he's hot!"

Which guy do you think she'll chose? Can you grasp the concept of being a prize / looks being a bonus yet?

 

[Warboss Alex]

The women-pulling issue aside, weight-lifting is a healthy, enjoyable, relatively inexpensive (you don't HAVE to buy tons of creatine, glutamine and either supps if you don't want to) and satisfying hobby - when you grind your way to a 20-rep squat at 400lbs or so you will feel dead but soooooooo satisfied you got it done.

To be honest I'd disagree with much that you guys say (prolly since I'm older, lol) but MindOverMatter has a point. Looks are the initial attraction - but it'll stay at that initial attraction if there's no personality to back the looks up (i.e. a one night stand or whatever).

It can work the other way though: I met my girl on the internet and was exposed to her personality first - which made her looks (when I saw a photo/met her) even more beautiful. But for the average guy in a club wanting to pull a girl, then he'd better have SOME looks, whether they be muscles, a pretty face, a generally presentable and attractive appearance, etc.

I'd take lifting over other sports any day. Always been interested in rugby though.

 

[al77]

Originally posted by Warboss Alex
1. The women-pulling issue aside, weight-lifting is a healthy, enjoyable, relatively inexpensive (you don't HAVE to buy tons of creatine, glutamine and either supps if you don't want to) and satisfying hobby - when you grind your way to a 20-rep squat at 400lbs or so you will feel dead but soooooooo satisfied you got it done.

2. Looks are the initial attraction - but it'll stay at that initial attraction if there's no personality to back the looks up (i.e. a one night stand or whatever).

3. But for the average guy in a club wanting to pull a girl, then he'd better have SOME looks, whether they be muscles, a pretty face, a generally presentable and attractive appearance, etc.

Warboss,

1. Absolutely true.
2. Defintely true. Lets put it in a practical perspective: muscles will help with initial attraction, i.e. most likely a muscular guy would get significantly more phone numbers than just average looking one. Also most likely the former will get significantly more real dates and not so many fake numbers.
Not sure now: is that initial attraction extend beyond a first date?
I am assuming you have expereince in lifting as well as with CA.
So...what's your take on that? How far the initial attraction would work? Is is a matter of a couple of dates, several months...?

 

[al77]

Originally posted by MindOverMatter

EXAMPLE

You go out with a girl and have an awesome date and establish chemistry, she goes home and thinks "wow I have great chemistry with this guy"

the next day, she goes out with another guy (testing the waters as single women do), who is much better looking then you, and she has an awesome date and establishes the same level of chemistry. She goes home and thinks "wow I have great chemistry with this guy, and he's hot!"

Which guy do you think she'll chose?[/color]

Right. I just realized I have a quite different concept: if she wants to date me i.e. wants to go on second, thrid etc dates and at the same time wants to "test waters", I mark her as a sl*t. That means I am not going to consider anything serious with this kind of girl: if she wants to date several men at the same time - fine, but I dont want to be one of them. She simply shows that she is overly selective, not very interested in me is ot gonna be loyal.
Thats why I kept talking about quality of girls....

Just in case I repeat my view: look\muscle are a bonus and yes it helps attractiing women. But the crucial question - to attract what kind of women? If somebody can deal with a chick who dates multiple guys - then sure it is a way to go.
Moreover, there is a good cocnlusion: being in a good shape helps
a lot in the initial phase, it gives the initial attraction.

 

[Sh0t]

Because it's my second biggest hobby

 

[MindOverMatter]

Originally posted by al77
Right. I just realized I have a quite different concept: if she wants to date me i.e. wants to go on second, thrid etc dates and at the same time wants to "test waters", I mark her as a sl*t. That means I am not going to consider anything serious with this kind of girl: if she wants to date several men at the same time - fine, but I dont want to be one of them. She simply shows that she is overly selective, not very interested in me is ot gonna be loyal.
Thats why I kept talking about quality of girls....

Just in case I repeat my view: look\muscle are a bonus and yes it helps attractiing women. But the crucial question - to attract what kind of women? If somebody can deal with a chick who dates multiple guys - then sure it is a way to go.
Moreover, there is a good cocnlusion: being in a good shape helps
a lot in the initial phase, it gives the initial attraction.

Lets go over some thing here.

1.) It's in human nature for men to pursue women, and for women to pick and chose which man they'll be with. Think about it in terms of the past, fathers with beautiful daughters would have countless suitors at their doorstep.

2.) The first date does NOT mean you are dating or seeing each other. The second date does!

Thinking that you two are dating or seeing each other because you went on ONE date is a classic AFC mindset, and the reason so many of them don't make it to the 2nd date.

The first date does not make her your girl, your girlfriend, or your property. A first date is simply an oppurtunity to get to know the other person, and see whether or not you'd want to date them. It's like a job interview.

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3.) The girl does not OWE you anything on the first date, nor do you owe her anything. She is there because she wants to get to know you better. That's all!

This is where AFCs fail. They go on a first date and
afterwards start acting like they're seeing or dating the girl, and scare the girl off. Then they come here wondering why she is flaking out on them and start talking about ganji games and bringing her IL back up.

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4.) A sl*t or wh0re by definition is a woman who goes against her female nature and sleeps with every guy who wants her.

While a real woman may get hit on by 5 guys, she will only chose 1, or chose none of them at all. A sl*t will f*ck all of them.

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5.) Therefore, a woman that goes on two first dates in a week, and choses 1 of those guys is not a sl*t, she is picking and chosing which guy she thinks is better for her. She is embracing her female role. A sl*t on the other hand would keep seeing both guys after the first date instead of chosing 1.

now you'll say "but mind, she can chose which guy she wants before the first date

And you know what would happen? She'd pick the better looking guy. Why? Because she doesn't know either of you, and his looks are the tie-breaker.

Now if she was actually a decent girl (the kind you want), who'd want to be with a guy for chemistry and not looks, she wouldn't be able to pick and chose without getting to know both of your personalities. And that's what the first date is for. To get a good reading of the other person's personality.

Now you'd prolly say "but Mind, by going out with two guys, she is chasing both of them and is therefore a sl*t".

If she was on a 2nd date, I'd agree with you. When a girl goes on a 2nd date, it means that she has learned everything she needed to know about you, has gotten to know you, and is interested in dating you.

So if she is on a 2nd date with you, and has a 1st date with someone else (or actually has two 2nd dates) then she is no longer testing the waters, and is basically going after every guy that is interested in her, and is therefore a sl*t.

But since it's a first date, it doesn't matter. She is still single, she isn't dating either of you two, she isn't sleeping with either of you two, she is simply there to get to know you, and see whether or not you're worth dating.

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7.) Just because a girl is picky about which guy she decides to date, and has options, does not make her a cheater. When you have options, you are not willing to settle for less.

Whenever I come out of a relationship, I go through my interview phase where I go out on one date with 4-7 girls in a 1-2 weeks, and decide which one of them I want to keep seeing. Am I a player? No. Am I cheating on them? No. Why? Because I'm not their boyfriend, I'm not seeing them, I only went out with them on ONE date. I'm not attached to any of them. I am simply out there to test the waters, see which one of the girls I can get along with the best (and by the way, I have to be attracted to all of them, otherwise they dont make it to the first date), and see which one of the girls I want to keep dating.

I'm not willing to settle for the first girl I go out with and waste my time in an incompatible relationship. I always look for the best possible option.

When I'm actually in a relationship, I never cheat. Unlike other DJs I don't go out practicing my skills, getting numbers, etc. I'm friendly to other girls, but I don't flirt openly. I'm very respectful of whoever I date exclusively. The girls I date exclusively (i.e. relationship material) are the same way.

Now once it's over, the interview phase begins once again.

 

[al77]

Originally posted by MindOverMatter

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2.) The first date does NOT mean you are dating or seeing each other. The second date does!

Thinking that you two are dating or seeing each other because you went on ONE date is a classic AFC mindset, and the reason so many of them don't make it to the 2nd date.

The first date does not make her your girl, your girlfriend, or your property. A first date is simply an oppurtunity to get to know the other person, and see whether or not you'd want to date them. It's like a job interview.

3.) The girl does not OWE you anything on the first date, nor do you owe her anything. She is there because she wants to get to know you better. That's all!
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If she was on a 2nd date, I'd agree with you. When a girl goes on a 2nd date, it means that she has learned everything she needed to know about you, has gotten to know you, and is interested in dating you.

...hey I dont know what I was thinking, I applogize for being so unclear with first and second dates.

What you wrote in the last post I agree 100% with. Thats a very healthy mindset! In fact I think this would do a lot of emotional benefits to the world if people adopt this concept.
I agree with you on all points there.

 

[coolguy676767]

EDIT...wrong thread

 

[Warboss Alex]

Though to be fair - you really want a woman who doesn't give a shiat about how you look. Okay, that doesn't mean you can be obese and get away with it, but if you've got a four-pack instead of a six-pack or a little gut or a bit of extra fat here and there - to someone who really cares it wouldn't matter at all.

I don't disagree with everything here, neither do I agree with it all, but if you want a loving, fun and fulfilling relationship then look past looks, as it were.

I once had a girlfriend who was really stunning (not as gorgeous as my wifey though, just in case she's reading!) but she was a *****. You don't want one of those.

 

[#1 P.I.M.P.]

Originally posted by MindOverMatter
This thread is retarded.

First of all, I lift because my future career (law enforcement/swat) requires candidates to be in amazing physical condition. The strength gains I get from lifting help me in other areas of my life as well, such as my Muay Thai training. I also like the satisfaction I get once I set out and accomplish a goal, be it gaining 5 lbs of lean mass, or putting more weight on my maximum lifts.

Second of all, the gym IS one of my fields fool. I have picked up more girls at the gym then I have in a club or any other area. Not only do I have an easy time picking up (as most of the time the girls take notice of me before I even approach them), but I get a much hotter selection of girls then I would in another environment.

Third of all if you think looks don't matter, you are clueless. I've had girls chase me, approach me, ask me out, brag about me to their friends, and take me to pools or beaches just to stand beside me and show me off, show off my workout photos to their girlfriends, etc. I've had my female friends tell me about girls I never even met talking about me in the female locker room at the gym saying how hot I was.

I don't have to put on an act. I don't have to be a jerk, I don't have to be an *******, I don't have to be a don juan, use neg hits, c&f or any of that fake sh!t. I pick up girls by being myself.

Girls are just as visual as guys. If she doesn't find you attractive enough to f*ck, you wont tap that ass. People who say "looks don't matter" are usually not that good looking to begin with and are just lying to themselves.

Well said dito. It took me some time blossoming into 'Hot' to figure that one out. I used to believe that hype that people feed. Its the same as 'just be yourself'. Just put there to make u feel better. We're not saying the DJ stuff don't work, its just that looks give you considerable advantage, to the point where you might not have to DJ at all to get the chick, Heck I've had chicks DJ me.

People act as if chciks r evrything to life and evrything u do shoud be towards them. **** it when I stared working out I didn't even want the pretty muscles, I just wanted to get huge, but after a while of geting compliments and stuf i decided to go for it. But really I train to improve other facets of my life. All the sports I play, stamina, confidence ect. plus I feel safer knowing that if somone gave me trouble I could pick them up and throw em through a wall or somthing. STart living for yourself. Its the only way to be sucessful with women.

 

[DJohnson]

Why lift? Well the anser will vary depending on who you talk to. Younger guys usually like to look big. That's certainly how I was. Older guys may not want to begin losing muscle( this process begins as young as 35!!!! ).

Some guys like to look intimidating, other guys think muscles are sexy to women. Experience both when I was not that muscular as a teenage, and seeing other slim guys proves muscles are not a make or break though.

For me its simple, although I don't hit the weights 5 days a week like years ago, i still work out occasionally simply because it feels good, and feeling strong feels good.

One thing is certain, if you lift weights and you are massive you MUST do some cardio, or that 200 someodd pounds might as well be all fat.

I must admit as I get older though, it does seem less and less a good use of my personal time to hit the gym, it isn't as needed like it used to be to make me feel confident. Its all about the feeling of physical fitness that I get internally and how that helps me project a positive attitude to the rest of the world, and of course the lovlies.