Why I have a problem.

[guru1000]

Tictac: You make bald allegations regarding the iniquity of the legal system--and I agree with you for the most part--but you fail to state the material facts demonstrating how, exactly, did the judge abuse his discretion. Did the judge order support beyond the legal requirement? Were you incarcerated for non-compliance, although you had reasonably complied? Or did the judge rule against you and ordered support within the legal limits? I'm not sure what you are specifically arguing about other than that the judge did not look at the facts of your case.


Brad: To contend that judges act on "feeling," rather than the conditions of, or opinions derived from, the evidence and qualifications of precedence demonstrates your callowness and naivety in the practice of law. You make no citations as no citations exist, nor have you reconciled that perhaps jurisdictions do vary in practice and governing case law. You misconstrue evasive fraud to be fraud committed by the judge, rather than the case law definition of fraud committed by the spouse who intentionally underemploys himself/herself. You adamantly state that conditions and evidence holds no bearing in the Court's decision, whereas in almost every jurisdiction there are myriad factors in the determination of income imputation such as education, type of employment, previous salary, likelihood of employment, earning capacity based on the verity of past employments, etc.-- all conditions that are non-conclusory, as they are evidenced.

Where did you obtain your law license, in a cracker-jack box? You could not be a lawyer by any reasonable means; arguably, you, perhaps, are a paralegal. And now you are practicing international law...now that's priceless.

Ebracer: So you are an undergrad lawyer using a traffic violation as your cited experience, who incorrectly argues that I had stated the legal system is just; do I bother to respond?

 

[disgustipated]

Yeah ooookay, men underemploying themselves to lower payments is just Sooo prevalent, right? Far more prevalent than a bad decision by a judge and raping a guy, right? I'd say of the two, the last is more common....intentional or not.

Why is it that of all the guys I know that are paying child support, those guys are FAR worse off than their exes, all things being equal. Something is askew with the sysyem.

 

[guru1000]

Something is askew with the sysyem.

Exactly, stated in six words.

 

[guru1000]

I went to an Ivy League university on a full scholarship.

Priceless! Need a kleenex?

 

[Samwild]

Getting back to the narrative of the OP, this is one haunting example of why marriage is such a terrible deal for men and has motivated me to only religiously marry if I choose to marry at all.

 

[backbreaker]

I said this the other day when i came back here, but I believe that guys who come to this site and the message that they get is to not trust women and not get married, are missing the entire point of the site.

The truth that from a practical standpoint, the dynamics of marriage, what marriage is, what you are supposed to accomplish, why we get married, has all shifted.

Every few months (weeks) someone will ask me "well backbreaker how would you feel about marriage if your wife who you say loves you takes half your stuff and your house and goes and marries some other guy with more money"

lol, you're missing one very important factor;

she can't.

See, I was smart enough, to make a name for myself, buy my house, put money in the bank, set myself up, establish myself, all before i really even started seriously dating let alone married. If she wants to leave, which she won't anytime soon but if she did, she's more than welcome to, but I'm not going to be put in a situation where i have to rebuild my life because it was already built before she came along. I have a pretty substantial amount of money in savings that I still have from when I sold my company years ago and I had that a good 3 years before I met my wife and she's entitled to non of it. Our Pre nup calls for me cutting her a check for a percentage of earnings that I have made for the years we have been married and giving her the car she drives on a regular basis which is in my name either of which i wouldn't' blink at doing. If the check is less than $50,000 I also have to pay for her living quarters for a year.

my wife couldn't even use the argument that she lived with me before we got married therefore the house is really half hers, i bought it before we started dating. and i'ts mine. And when I say I own the house I mean I own the deed to the house we live in; it's mine.

that's what I think dating has come to in 2012. The way the laws are setup today, you have to establish yourself first before you go out and get hitched. that's the practical part of why I tell guys all the time look women aren't going anywhere, get you straight first. establish yourself put some money in the bank, make a life for you that no one no court system can take a way.

That's the con to the legal system and women just have to deal with that; you can't shame a man for waiting until he's later to get married and at the same time rape guys in the court system who get married early you can't have both.


The Days of Wine and Roses (great song by the way), the days of marrying a woman in your young 20's and moving up int he world together, that's dead. You have to spend your years wisely and get your **** together before you seriously start considering marriage.

Once most men start to realize this, the loser in all this isn't even men; it's the real loser in all this is avg looking women in their older 20's and early 30's because once they get where they want to date, you aren't first not he list. or 2nd or third. guys who are 32-35 are going to want to marry 24 year old HB8's with little baggage.'


I believe the best formula for the avg male should be to get an education, pay off all his debt , put back some money, buy a house in his 20's, pay down on it as much as he can, and put some moeny back for retirement.. While he's doing this he should paly the field and spin plates but never consider getting married beucase he had to take care of him first. only when all that is done do I believe a man should consider marriage. you can't be concerned with a woman's biological clock or her schedule for mating you need tob e considered about fixing all the lose ends on yoru behalf. I believe the avg male should get married for the first time in 2012 from 35-40, not 25-30. I believe a man shoudl be using his 20's and early 30's to not only have fun with women but to be learning the difference b etween a good lay and a good wife.

 

[disgustipated]

Just when I've written you off, jk, you go and make a post like that Bb. I concur, that's the blueprint for todays young men. Now only if I were young.

 

[backbreaker]

Just when I've written you off, jk, you go and make a post like that Bb. I concur, that's the blueprint for todays young men. Now only if I were young.

for all the **** that it gets, there are benefits to being married.

most people would at some point in time like to raise a family; we are biologically hardwired to. It's better to raise a child in a 2 couple household, both for the child and for the parents. There are substantial tax benefits to being married, and generally once you have played the field and seen what's out there you want to settle down.

If staying a life long bachelor is your thing do your thing but don't think you can't get married; you just have to go about it the right way; if you go in blind and dumb you will get killed. \

I can honestly say Id n't miss being single; that doesn't mean i didnt' ahve fun as I did, but i enjoy being married. it's not all bad. i love my wife. but you have to go about it the right way.

the "man plan" has changed drastically in the last 40 years. it's just that women don't want you to know that.

 

[ebracer05]

for all the **** that it gets, there are benefits to being married.

It's true.

This isn't supposed to be an anti-marriage thread... that's missing the forest for the trees. That video was just supposed to illustrate one example of state sponsored misandry in America. The guy just happened to have been married. I'm sure there is a video somewhere online about a guy who was wrongfully sentenced to prison for being accused of raping a girl but not really doing it.

The point is misandry - not marriage.

 

[backbreaker]

Cracker jack box, how original! You're a very clever law school dropout I can tell

I can understand why your attempts at insults are so pathetic, you obviously have never tasted any success in your life. And if you really want to know, I went to an Ivy League university on a full scholarship. I would ask you to provide your credentials but there's no point as your lack of understanding of family law and basic legal procedure is readily apparent and fully explains all I need to know about your education and schooling.

And I didn't say I practice international law I said that I currently practice antitrust law and mergers and acquisitions at a major international firm. Do you know the difference between these two concepts? One involves the actual practice of international law, while the other involves actual employment at a very large prestigious law firm.

And did i really need to point out the obvious by stating different jurisdictions employ different laws?

Finally, I never stated that evidence holds no bearing in a judicial decision. What I did state was that a judge can disregard evidence that a support payor has met financial difficulties and make him pay support based on a higher amount if he thinks that the payor is intentionally avoiding employment.

Apparently reading comprehension isn't one of your fortes, which no doubt accounts for your feeble understanding of family law. I suspect it may also be the main reason for your early exit from law school before you could even attempt to write a bar examination. But I can tell you from experience they can be very difficult.

so brad this is what i am talking about. you have a serious chip on your shoulder.

alot of people, **** even here are quick to say that well if i had money/looks/fame/insert tangible trait here than my life would be much easier than it is now and i woudl be able to get all types of women, but they are looking through the lens of their life as it is now; meaning they don't see that when you are presented with these things, it brings new, real problems

Just being honest, when you are really good at something, or when you are smarter than everyone else, or better looking than anyone else, people don't like you. people will go out of your way to tear your arguments down, to belittle you, to assault you, to do whatever it is they can do to get to you to show them in their minds that you aren't what you say you are so that they can sleep better at night.

something i say all the time is that people are always going to not like you; the only difference is the group of people who don't like you but there will always be people who do not you.

just about everyone here will tell you I'm the last person to ever play the race card; I just don't believe in using it as a viable excuse for anything but I get it double beucase just in general, I'm more successful then the people I know. When we get together our group 9 out of 10 times it's at my house beucase i have a nice house in a very nice neighborhood. i have the good looking wife in shape wife, and guys don't like it. then i get it from inside my own race beucase in real life it won't take you very long if you listened to me to tell I'm pretty intelligent, I'm very well read and I command attention when I speak, and if I can put the politically correctness aside for it second, it pisses a lot of black guys off who for whatever the reason may be, aren't where I am either mentally or financially.

I'm not perfect, i' m not saint backbreaker or anything but I do a very good job at least today of just letting that stuff roll off my back.

see by your heated response, guru has won. It took me all of freaking what, 3-4 post of yours to realize you are an intelligent dude and you probably are a lawyer and probably a good one you don't have to defend yourself when someone questions you, your actions and stature command respect.

The reason I'm telling you this is that these are the type of games that people play when the stakes are high and you are dealing with serious catches; when you are in a group of people and a new 5'10 brunette shows up with a coke bottle body and everyone is looking at her and she is looking at you, every last guy in the room is going to take a shot at you and you need to know how to handle it like someone who is sued to getting shots taken at him.

let your actions speak for you. never stoop to anyone's level. Important people have more important **** to worry about. you don't have to explain yourself or what you do to anyone.

 

[ebracer05]

alot of people, **** even here are quick to say that well if i had money/looks/fame/insert tangible trait here than my life would be much easier than it is now and i woudl be able to get all types of women, but they are looking through the lens of their life as it is now; meaning they don't see that when you are presented with these things, it brings new, real problems

Just being honest, when you are really good at something, or when you are smarter than everyone else, or better looking than anyone else, people don't like you.

see by your heated response, guru has won. It took me all of freaking what, 3-4 post of yours to realize you are an intelligent dude and you probably are a lawyer and probably a good one you don't have to defend yourself when someone questions you, your actions and stature command respect.

The reason I'm telling you this is that these are the type of games that people play when the stakes are high and you are dealing with serious catches; when you are in a group of people and a new 5'10 brunette shows up with a coke bottle body and everyone is looking at her and she is looking at you, every last guy in the room is going to take a shot at you and you need to know how to handle it like someone who is sued to getting shots taken at him.

let your actions speak for you. never stoop to anyone's level. Important people have more important **** to worry about. you don't have to explain yourself or what you do to anyone.

Listen to this sh*t. It has nothing to do with the OP but it is absolutely excellent advice

 

[iqqi]

Backbreaker is posting gold lately.

 

[Tictac]

Brad,

Its time to give this thread up. Guru wants to impress his definition of 'lesser beings' with his brilliance. Always a fool's errand.

Done

 

[guru1000]

Always a fool's errand.

My poor Tictac; the fool picks the fool lawyer, and blames the judge for his unavailing representation. Next time you seek representation—hopefully not in family court again—and should the lawyer use the callow qualifier, "always," as in,

[Pre-nups are] always full of holes that guys like me can use to modify or have thrown out ...

Run, and understand that it is not the system that is on trial, but rather, YOU, Tictac, the perpetrator of asinine decisions in relation to your choice of wife and lawyer, and thus your circumstance.

 

[guru1000]

Brad,

I apologize; I'll use vaseline next time.

 

[Tictac]

Pathetic guru.

You blow hard on a blog.

You know nothing.

Enjoy your miserable life.

 

[guru1000]

Pathetic guru.

You blow hard on a blog.

You know nothing.

Enjoy your miserable life.

The red pill is indeed hard to swallow; I agree.

 

[Burroughs]

Brad you're dropping golden knowledge man keep it up!

Its funny because if only 1% of the family court injustice that was happening to men was happening to women..they would be up in arms protesting daily...

...what is it about men that as a whole we take this unholy $hit?

Probably the alpha syndrome...as men we want all the women all the time, anything that slows down our fellow male...well more puzzy for me!...this is warped and short sided thinking...what can happen to your neighbor, can happen to tiger woods, tom cruise, your fireman, and even you.

Until men collectively organize to fight this injustice we will continue to be legally marginalized in the society we fvcking built...this must not be tolerated.

 

[Tictac]

Tictac, don’t let guru the clown faze you
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Bother me?

Guru is hysterical! Typing on a blog, sniping about people and situations he knows nothing of, spouting gibberish he attempts to disguise as 'deep learning'. (Your requotes of him each good examples)

Guys like guru are the reason I come here!

Since Jophil's passing and with Rollo and Roissy on their own way, there is little here but limp comedy from airhead blowhards.

Sad to see this place in the crapper especially for the newbies that could use it. I learned a lot here.

Now its just comic relief for a slow night.

 

[guru1000]

While it is true that most men are subjugated to the cogs of bureaucracy, specifically in the context of family law, the greater lessen here is do not fall victim to incompetent counsel; namely those ostensible white-knight advocates who use the qualifiers "all" or "none" in relation to their standing success rate in contract structuring, modifying, or setting aside. Jurisdictions, judges, interpretations, and thus outcomes, vary. Accordingly, no lawyer could reasonably ascertain an outcome in any legal arena, unless he or she actively practices in that jurisdiction. Most lawyers are ineffectual by virtue of their paucity of jurisdictional application.

Utilize the man in the video and Tictac as exemplary examples of how men do get railroaded in family court, and Brad as the archetype charlatan attorney; that is the Canadian, Ivy school lawyer who breaks ALL prenups and a practicing guru of all jurisdictions.