Why Getting Good with Women is so Important

[CornbreadFed]

It would be uncommon to find a younger Catholic attending church weekly getting with a younger Mormon attending church weekly. In addition to attending church weekly (the bare minimum for active practitioners), many of these people are more religious activities like prayer groups, volunteering, and other stuff. They are also the types adhering to the rule of no sex outside of the context of marriage.

This part of the mating environment isn't well documented or well represented on SoSuave and similar forums.

Bro I am talking about southern evangelicals. Catholics and Mormons are considered heretics, but I am talking about Pentecostals vs Baptists vs Church of Christ vs and even further down. Literally these people thought everyone else not in their specific niche church community was going to hell. This college was specifically southern Baptist affiliated.

This is mostly true. The Western men frustrated with women aren't major religious practitioners. At best, they are going to church on major religious holidays.

Younger males (born 1981-2000s, the Gen Y/Millennials and Gen Z's) are less likely to be active in religion than the older generations were at similar ages.

The typical Western male who isn't an active religious practitioner doesn't adhere to a rule of sex only while married. He is seeking non-marital sex. There are plenty of never married males who don't practice a religion seeking sex. Without the network of a religious community, these Western males seek mates through non-religious social circles (generally getting weaker in Western cities), approaching strangers in real life (most commonly at bars), sending DMs on social media platforms, and using swipe apps.

In nightlife venues, it is typically non-religious or barely religious males seeking sex from non-religious or barely religious females.

Males who do primarily non-bar approaching (daygamers) might encounter females who practice religion. It depends upon how much they approach and where. It's possible for a daygamer to approach a religion practicing female at a generic place like a grocery store or the mall.

Daygame is difficult because most women aren't seeking new penis at any given moment. Additionally, during the approach, most women don't disclose their unavailable status. Unless a man goes ultra direct right away with setting up future plans, he will never know if his conversations are fizzling out in 30-60 seconds due to him being undesirable to available women or just talking to all women who are unavailable at that moment.

Getting good with women will help non-religious males break through the frustration, especially since they lose one major social circle community. It's a more difficult task to date strangers through swipe apps, DMs, and random in-person approaches.

There are pop-up church's that basically act as concerts that a lot of millennial and gen Z women flock too. My other ex went to one of these, but these church's do attract women on the nuttier side. You are better off just sticking with a solid religion that you like and networking through there. These guys are finding women and getting married, so obviously something is working there. I think if any men just strictly chooses day game, night club approach, and apps then he is just asking for his dating life to be on difficult mode.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I'll be honest, I thought about how I was going to title this for way longer than I should have, because I want to convey this message without it feeling like clickbait. I read a thread about body count in the Mature Man subforum, and was a bit surprised by how low the counts were for a community that focuses on developing as men to attract desirable women. I have some extra time here on a slow day at work, so I want to type this up and share why I think this is such an important skill to learn while using my recent experiences as examples.

The gist of it is this - you need to be able to tell "good" and "bad" apart, and to a lesser extent, not have that uncertainty about whether you will be able to find success.

Here's an analogy:

You've never had chocolate before.

You're offered your very first taste in the form of a Hershey's bar, and it's amazing - this is your new favorite thing. Every time you go to the store you only buy Hershey's when you want your chocolate fix, even if there are other options available. Until one day they're completely out of Hershey's...so you're forced to try a Twix bar instead, because you REALLY want something chocolatey, even if it's not the exact chocolate you want.

You're blown away - THIS is your new favorite thing. How could you have gone so long without knowing the Twix bar? Hershey's bar who? Then tragedy strikes - the store is out of Hershey's bars AND Twix bars...so this time you try an Almond Joy. Absolutely awful - you spit it out, throw the rest of the bar away, and try something else...

The point I'm trying to convey here is that men who have not been with many women will think that the woman they have is the best there is - oneitis, if you will. You might think that everything this woman is giving you all there is; sex once a week? That's a LOT for you. Fights over little things? Surely that's normal.

What many men will rightfully assume is that there is much worse, which is true, but won't consider that there is also better. And the sad part is that they may never come to that realization, because they're afraid of losing what they have, along with the uncertainty of when/if they'd be able to find somebody new.

This is why I think it's so important for men to develop the skills necessary to talk to, seduce, and maintain women. Even if you aren't interested in being a manwh*re like me, it's very unfortunate seeing how men are struggling to hold together an active sex or dating life. I have a friend who hasn't had sex in over 7 months. I have a cousin who frequently goes a full year or more without sex at a time. I know several guys who settle for bedding women that aren't attractive, but are "within reach". Hell, I recently posted about my FWBs falling off and having to do some recruiting myself.

Modern dating is difficult, but you have to engage in it so you'll have enough experience with women to tell when you've got a good one vs. somebody who's going to pick fights with you about things that didn't happen (speaking from experience).

Here are some fun anecdotes using my recent personal experiences:

Had a date 2 weeks ago in the middle of the week with this one girl who went to the wrong location. I ended up driving over to share a few drinks. We ended up making out at the bar, and as it was closing she wanted to spend some time with me in my car. We're making out, feeling on each other, I'm fingering her, she's talking about sex - everything seemed to be going well. But she couldn't have me over since she lives with family and wanted to set up for some other time. So I walked her back to her car, she told me she got home safe, I texted her a little the next day to set up another date and she blocked me. No idea why.

Had another girl I'd been trying to see who flaked on me 3 times prior. I wrote her off but she promised that this time she would follow through - and she did, but not without issue. I ended up spending quite a bit of money to reserve a hotel room since we both lived with family, along with drinks and Ubers. First, she almost cancelled again because she thought it was sketchy that I was running late (I explained to her that I checked into the room first so we wouldn't have to drunkenly do that later). But the real kicker is what happened afterwards. We had sex a few times, slept in, she had to leave before me, and we continued texting back and forth over the next 2 days. This date was on Friday, and by Sunday she removed and unfollowed me because she felt that I was "soft ghosting" her since I wasn't as quick with my response times, and decided it would be best to cut this off prematurely.

Then there was another girl who was trying to see me at the same time as the girl above. I made out with her in a West Chester bar and we had plans to hang out that weekend, but she wasn't responsive...until Friday night when I'm already with that girl. She proceeds to talk a big game about how she wants her birthday gift (more kissing), wished that I could've been free that night, and sent me pictures of her in her sexy cheetah-print outfit asking if I approved. I reached out to her last week to set something up for the weekend and her vibe completely shifted; she didn't want to give me the wrong impression because she doesn't like just hooking up and felt that was all I wanted. I assured her that wasn't the case, she seemed happy with my answers, then completely ghosted.

Anyway, the point of this thread is to emphasize the importance of being able to distinguish good women from bad women, while being good enough at attracting them that you don't have to settle for a bad one - because you WILL have to sift through a lot of dirt to gold. Whether you want to run up the score, find "the one", or just not feel like an incel, learning to attract women is a something that doesn't have any real downside.

So cold approach, go to the gym, get your money up, be more confident, learn to flirt, be good in bed - do whatever you have to do so you don't join that 1 out of 4 men who hasn't had sex in a year statistic.

This is a logical fallacy. Sometimes your first really is your best. There is a concept known as beginner’s luck. She was not just a great person with tremendous character and morals, and a great family; we used to smash like rabbits and it got the point that she was letting me bust in her butt every.single.time. We were 17.

The only time I found a girl nearly as interested in anal after that was college, and she was a loose goose, and then this airline stewardess who was 8 years older than me when I got out of college.

 

[BPH]

You were too old in her eyes.

I would agree with you if not for the fact that she was resistant well before I revealed my age. I'm really not too sure what went wrong since SHE wanted to meet ME and didn't do anything with the lay-up I gave her.

 

[BeExcellent]

I just got back from a night out and wanted to reply to this to showcase some of the BS you guys will have to deal with on your journey to finding a decent woman. @nicksaiz65, this probably applies to you more than anything.

I'm still a little tipsy, so hopefully, there won't be too many typos here.

Originally I wasn't planning on going out, but Saturdays suck and my last weekend out in Philly wasn't very fruitful, so I resigned to having to revisit the college bars.

It wasn't so bad; a lot of my old bartenders and bouncers still worked there, even if the manager who helped me skip the line was gone. There weren't too many standouts, but there were more attractive girls here than I've seen out in Philly, Trolley, or anywhere else in Delaware.

I'm going about my night just having a few drinks and scoping out the place when I see this gorgeous blonde at the bar. I don't do anything with it because I see her talking to this guy, so I write her off and end up approaching another cute blonde near that group. She's seeing somebody, but it turns out that she's friends with the gorgeous blonde at the bar, who, apparently, is interested in me.

She brings her over, and we start talking. I found out that the guy she was talking to was just a mutual friend of theirs and that she really wanted to talk to me.

I try to kiss her after some time, but she says she doesn't want to do it in a bar. We chitchatted for a bit, and I got her number. She tells me she's probably going to be here tomorrow but that she thinks she's leaving soon. So I texted her number, so she has mine and it goes through blue - this is important. As she's about to leave, her friend comes over and says her boyfriend is the driver and that they're planning to go to a nearby casino. She asked me if I wanted to come. I look over and ask my girl if she wants me to come. She accepts, so we all hop in the car and head over.

The entire car ride, she's nestled into the crook of my arm. I get a little background on the friend, her boyfriend, and my girl as we head to the casino. We don't spend a lot of time there - her friend and the boyfriend go off to play their own games while my girl and I play some slots and Blackjack. I end up losing a little and gaining a little, and end up with a small loss. I tried to make it playful by having her kiss me if I won, but she STILL declined.

The friend and boyfriend wanted to leave, so we all cashed out, and I walked with my girl back to her car. On the way over, I ask if she's into older guys; I'm 30, and I saw that she's only 22. She tells me that she assumes I'm older, but as long as I'm not "42 or something". Again, on the car ride back, she nestles into my arm. They ask me a little about myself and find out that I'm much older than they thought I was; their initial guess started out at 24 and rose year after year while I told them they were wrong.

Eventually, they brought me back to where my car was parked at the bar. I ask if my girl is going to be here again tomorrow night; she says "most likely," so I thank them for the ride and hop out. Still, no kiss.

I later texted her that it was nice to meet her and to have a good night and that I got the vibe that she wasn't that interested, but that it was cool, and I had a nice time meeting her. The first text went through blue, but the second went through green - meaning she probably blocked me already.

No idea where I went wrong here; SHE wanted to be introduced to ME, and when I tried to give her what she wanted, she refused. Maybe I lost her when she found out I was 30, but she admitted earlier that she knew I was older and seemed to be cool with it as long as I wasn't super old. So I have no idea what went wrong here. She was supposedly interested in me, but when I tried to give her me, she didn't want it, and didn't facilitate making it easier to have me; no invite to her place, didn't decline leaving with her friend to stay with me, rejected each invite for a kiss, etc.

Some of you might have theories of where I went wrong here, but the point I want to make is that you're likely to deal with a lot of BS on the way to your success. This girl supposedly wanted me bad enough that she was too shy to approach me and had her friend do the introduction for her - yet this same girl couldn't kiss me, didn't make it easy for me, and likely blocked me because I tried to give her what I thought she wanted.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch; numbers don't matter because they might not answer. Dates don't matter because they might not show. Kisses don't matter because they might not be interested sexually. Nothing REALLY matters until she's in bed with you, cuddled up, post-coitus. Don't get excited prematurely, but do understand that this is part of the game we play.

Quick take from the old lady:

You were cool until you said via text that you didn't think she was interested. That's where she blocked you. Why? That implies that since she wouldn't allow a kiss or sexual escalation, and you told her she wasn't interested (NEVER tell a woman what she thinks - 99 out of 100 times you will be assuming the wrong thing), so she now thinks that all you are interested in is sex, and, well, she's not that kind of girl and so you assumed you knew what she thought and that sunk you. For now. Plus, how dare you assume you know what she thinks. That is arrogant and a huge turn off.

This can be salvaged if you see her out again but will need to be a slow play.

Escalation too quickly will put off the best women. Its tacky and indicates lack of manners.

Gorgeous women see it ALL because every man wants them. So they get very skilled very quickly in reading people. So you gotta chill & let it ride. Don't be another douche trying to get in her pants immediately.

Final thought: Quit being so focused on getting the kiss right away. That destroys sexual tension. You want to build sexual tension, you want the girl to WANT to kiss you.

Reading assignment: Art of Seduction. Look at the way courtesans played the game. Its a dance. You still have some work to do on learning the nuances of the dance that is seduction.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I would agree with you if not for the fact that she was resistant well before I revealed my age. I'm really not too sure what went wrong since SHE wanted to meet ME and didn't do anything with the lay-up I gave her.

I misread your post tbh. Sounds like a classic case of 304 remorse which can happen in similar scenarios. Nothing you can really do but follow up if you have a chance.

 

[BPH]

You were cool until you said via text that you didn't think she was interested. That's where she blocked you. Why? That implies that since she wouldn't allow a kiss or sexual escalation, and you told her she wasn't interested (NEVER tell a woman what she thinks - 99 out of 100 times you will be assuming the wrong thing), so she now thinks that all you are interested in is sex, and, well, she's not that kind of girl and so you assumed you knew what she thought and that sunk you. For now. Plus, how dare you assume you know what she thinks. That is arrogant and a huge turn off.

She never read this text. This is how I knew I was blocked.

The text right before that wishing her a good night was blue, and you're correct, that second text is defeatist and all, but that one went through green, which is how I knew.

I don't plan to pursue it further if I see her out; she wanted a shot, I gave it to her, and she wasted both our time.

In another thread, I don't recall whether this was your advice or somebody else's, but I read "anything other than a yes is a no", and I think that applies here. So it is what it is.

 

[BeExcellent]

She never read this text. This is how I knew I was blocked.

The text right before that wishing her a good night was blue, and you're correct, that second text is defeatist and all, but that one went through green, which is how I knew.

Fair enough. If she never saw the text where you assumed she wasn't interested that's actually best.

Just digest what I'm telling you. You want to tease & be elusive to a gal like this. Every man comes at her hard. Be different. Get her curious. Entice her but be playfully disinterested. That is a more advanced type interaction than you are familiar with. Play with that notion. Trust me it works.

 

[BPH]

Escalation too quickly will put off the best women. Its tacky and indicates lack of manners.

Gorgeous women see it ALL because every man wants them. So they get very skilled very quickly in reading people. So you gotta chill & let it ride. Don't be another douche trying to get in her pants immediately.

Final thought: Quit being so focused on getting the kiss right away. That destroys sexual tension. You want to build sexual tension, you want the girl to WANT to kiss you.

Reading assignment: Art of Seduction. Look at the way courtesans played the game. Its a dance. You still have some work to do on learning the nuances of the dance that is seduction.

Yeah, by the point of the night where I met her, it certainly didn't help my train of thought that I was decently drunk. I think I rushed it because I assumed it would be a short interaction since she told me she was leaving soon, and I didn't expect to be invited, so I got her number and offered her what I thought she wanted.

Beyond that, when we were at the casino and in the car when she was nestled into me, she was holding my hand and clinging to me in the casino, so I'm really not sure where I lost her - even when she rejected the kiss advances, and even when she assumed I was older.

What do you think happened here, from a woman's perspective? If she wasn't interested after rejecting the kiss, she wouldn't have invited me to continue the night. And if she was really that turned off by that or my age, she would've created more distance at the casino and in the car.

Beyond that, if you were back in college at a college bar and started talking to a guy you were attracted to, then found out he was (much?) older - like 30 - how would that affect your interest, if at all?

 

[BeExcellent]

Yeah, by the point of the night where I met her, it certainly didn't help my train of thought that I was decently drunk. I think I rushed it because I assumed it would be a short interaction since she told me she was leaving soon, and I didn't expect to be invited, so I got her number and offered her what I thought she wanted.

Beyond that, when we were at the casino and in the car when she was nestled into me, she was holding my hand and clinging to me in the casino, so I'm really not sure where I lost her - even when she rejected the kiss advances, and even when she assumed I was older.

What do you think happened here, from a woman's perspective? If she wasn't interested after rejecting the kiss, she wouldn't have invited me to continue the night. And if she was really that turned off by that or my age, she would've created more distance at the casino and in the car.

Beyond that, if you were back in college at a college bar and started talking to a guy you were attracted to, then found out he was (much?) older - like 30 - how would that affect your interest, if at all?

Age is less a big deal. At 22 I was working in academia (university medical center) dealing with cute young doctors, who were usually 28-32. I had a serious LTR then so wasn't interested, but not because they weren't cute/smart/successful. I was into my bf.

If I had been available I would have been interested in a couple of those guys. They were good looking, smart & upwardly mobile. My LTR
bf was a rancher's son with a finance degree & MBA and looked like a tall cross between Charley Sheen & Johnny Depp, he was very fit & from a great family. I'm still friends with his sister on social media 35 years later.

Its not your age, its not that she didn't like you. It is that you were impatient and trying to physically escalate too soon. That is poor manners.

Get a paperback copy of Art of Seduction. Read pages 137-141 regarding the anti seducer in the chapter on Anti-Seducers. I am serious. Very beautiful women expect to be courted before giving up sexual favors. They have seen a mirror, they know everybody wants them. You are going to need to up your charm.

 

[BPH]

Its not your age, its not that she didn't like you. It is that you were impatient and trying to physically escalate too soon. That is poor manners.

I found a PDF of it online, I'll give it a read.

Let me ask you about this part, though. She's leaving soon. I got her number. We've both been drinking, and I'm very well aware of the flakiness of any situation that has to rely on meeting up again - so I get the rejection on the kiss.

What would have been the better move here? It was impatient because she's leaving (I originally assumed without me), and I know how unlikely it is to see her again, and even if I do, will she still be interested in me when I'm sure she's getting plenty of male attention?

What would you have suggested? What would've worked on you?

 

[SW15]

Bro I am talking about southern evangelicals. Catholics and Mormons are considered heretics, but I am talking about Pentecostals vs Baptists vs Church of Christ vs and even further down. Literally these people thought everyone else not in their specific niche church community was going to hell. This college was specifically southern Baptist affiliated.

There isn't much interfaith dating between the non-denominational Protestant sects and Catholics.

Mormons, Catholics, and non-denominational Protestants all have dogma that is anti sex before marriage.

The typical guy participating on SoSuave or a similar forum isn't someone who has those beliefs and isn't looking to meet a woman with those beliefs.

The Average Frustrated Chump (a guy who is sexless or struggling to get sex) usually isn't a serious practitioner of a religion.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Hey @BPH if I may chime in.

Very beautiful women expect to be courted before giving up sexual favors. They have seen a mirror, they know everybody wants them. You are going to need to up your charm.

I agree with @BeExcellent here ^^ however I don't think a woman wanting/expecting to be courted is limited to only very beautiful women.

There are very beautiful women who are up for a casual ONS and average looking women who want/expect to be courted.

So I dont really think you can go by beauty when determining what a particular woman wants or expects.

Pay attention to how she responds to you, if she's recoiling when you try to kiss her or engaging her in sexual talk, stop physically/sexually escalating and talk to her.

Ask questions and get to know her. Get her number and ask her out on a date.

Also keep in mind that while yes she was interested in you and came to you, it IS possible that after talking with you and sensing your vibe she became less interested.

This has happened to me many times when meeting men out and about.

I also noticed in your post, you used words like she "seemed" into me and "supposedly" she was into me.

It's quite possible because she was drunk (or even if she wasn't drunk) she was "going through the motions" (i.e. nestling in your arm) without truly knowing how she felt.

Or she did know which is why she didn't want to kiss you!

Speaking for myself and I do meet a lot of guys, I prefer to be courted which basically means a man meets me, we chat for a bit with NO sexual talk, he asks for my number and asks me out. He follows through and calls or texts and schedules a date.

You asked what you could have done, well that's it. IMO.

But also keep in mind I'm a relationship girl and seek men also wanting a relationship. Or used to; I'm in an exclusive relationship now.

Versus a ONS or a "plate" to add to his rotation.

It's possible this girl sensed your 'fukkboy' vibe (not a judgment) which you admitted to, and when she got home and thought about it, determined you weren't for her and blocked you.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

I just got back from a night out and wanted to reply to this to showcase some of the BS you guys will have to deal with on your journey to finding a decent woman. @nicksaiz65, this probably applies to you more than anything.

I'm still a little tipsy, so hopefully, there won't be too many typos here.

Originally I wasn't planning on going out, but Saturdays suck and my last weekend out in Philly wasn't very fruitful, so I resigned to having to revisit the college bars.

It wasn't so bad; a lot of my old bartenders and bouncers still worked there, even if the manager who helped me skip the line was gone. There weren't too many standouts, but there were more attractive girls here than I've seen out in Philly, Trolley, or anywhere else in Delaware.

I'm going about my night just having a few drinks and scoping out the place when I see this gorgeous blonde at the bar. I don't do anything with it because I see her talking to this guy, so I write her off and end up approaching another cute blonde near that group. She's seeing somebody, but it turns out that she's friends with the gorgeous blonde at the bar, who, apparently, is interested in me.

She brings her over, and we start talking. I found out that the guy she was talking to was just a mutual friend of theirs and that she really wanted to talk to me.

I try to kiss her after some time, but she says she doesn't want to do it in a bar. We chitchatted for a bit, and I got her number. She tells me she's probably going to be here tomorrow but that she thinks she's leaving soon. So I texted her number, so she has mine and it goes through blue - this is important. As she's about to leave, her friend comes over and says her boyfriend is the driver and that they're planning to go to a nearby casino. She asked me if I wanted to come. I look over and ask my girl if she wants me to come. She accepts, so we all hop in the car and head over.

The entire car ride, she's nestled into the crook of my arm. I get a little background on the friend, her boyfriend, and my girl as we head to the casino. We don't spend a lot of time there - her friend and the boyfriend go off to play their own games while my girl and I play some slots and Blackjack. I end up losing a little and gaining a little, and end up with a small loss. I tried to make it playful by having her kiss me if I won, but she STILL declined.

The friend and boyfriend wanted to leave, so we all cashed out, and I walked with my girl back to her car. On the way over, I ask if she's into older guys; I'm 30, and I saw that she's only 22. She tells me that she assumes I'm older, but as long as I'm not "42 or something". Again, on the car ride back, she nestles into my arm. They ask me a little about myself and find out that I'm much older than they thought I was; their initial guess started out at 24 and rose year after year while I told them they were wrong.

Eventually, they brought me back to where my car was parked at the bar. I ask if my girl is going to be here again tomorrow night; she says "most likely," so I thank them for the ride and hop out. Still, no kiss.

I later texted her that it was nice to meet her and to have a good night and that I got the vibe that she wasn't that interested, but that it was cool, and I had a nice time meeting her. The first text went through blue, but the second went through green - meaning she probably blocked me already.

No idea where I went wrong here; SHE wanted to be introduced to ME, and when I tried to give her what she wanted, she refused. Maybe I lost her when she found out I was 30, but she admitted earlier that she knew I was older and seemed to be cool with it as long as I wasn't super old. So I have no idea what went wrong here. She was supposedly interested in me, but when I tried to give her me, she didn't want it, and didn't facilitate making it easier to have me; no invite to her place, didn't decline leaving with her friend to stay with me, rejected each invite for a kiss, etc.

Some of you might have theories of where I went wrong here, but the point I want to make is that you're likely to deal with a lot of BS on the way to your success. This girl supposedly wanted me bad enough that she was too shy to approach me and had her friend do the introduction for her - yet this same girl couldn't kiss me, didn't make it easy for me, and likely blocked me because I tried to give her what I thought she wanted.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch; numbers don't matter because they might not answer. Dates don't matter because they might not show. Kisses don't matter because they might not be interested sexually. Nothing REALLY matters until she's in bed with you, cuddled up, post-coitus. Don't get excited prematurely, but do understand that this is part of the game we play.

You make some great contributions, but with this girl you showed way too much attention too early on. Keep in mind my advice is for relationships (not quick lays) even if the relationship only lasts 6 weeks (and you have had tons of sex). I do, always, get sex by the third date. I would not have tried to kiss her at all, only after she went on a date with me. Only kiss her if it is obvious she wants to be kissed. Anyways, she would def not kiss in front of her friends. ASD is a real thing. Her friends, I am sure, bad mouthed you hence you were blocked. When you are with a group of girls the chances that one will bad mouth you is high, and then things snowball. That is why we always avoid group dates

She had high interest otherwise she would not have nestled in your arm crook...but I would have cut things short as soon as I got her number and confirmed via the quick text. No mention of the future whatsoever. I also would not give any information about age. If asked say "old enough to know better" or something of that sort. Don't ask "are you into older guys" it shows insecurities. Let her wonder.

Had you gamed her right you could easily have gotten a second date....girls, especially if they like you usually won't kiss the moment you meet them. They at least need an official date. I bet you could have sexed her by the third date.

Now if this were a gal you had marginal interest in, OK, but since she was "gorgeous" I would have played a slightly longer game and been more disciplined about your first interaction.

Finally, if a super hot girl asks you on Friday if you will be back tomorrow (Saturday) you say "I am terribly sorry but I have other plans. I have your number, however."

 

[Dr_jitsu]

I want to add: BPH posts some great stuff and almost always knows his stuff, just this time he made some mistakes. I've even made a video based on one of his posts.

I also see that you asked her (she did not ask you) Friday if she would be back Saturday....no, no, no. Let her wonder. You are a busy guy and have other women, right? Let her wonder what you are doing on Saturday night.

 

[BPH]

I'll be going to the same spot tonight with some friends. I'll let you know if I run into her again, or ideally, someone else

 

[Dr_jitsu]

I'll be going to the same spot tonight with some friends. I'll let you know if I run into her again, or ideally, someone else

You have lost this one brother...chalk it up. Maybe...just maybe if she saw you game other hot women, but I doubt it. However I have read your posts and you are much more knowledgeable than 95% of the guys out there.

Look at it this way: This girl was gorgeous and had high enough interest in you to give you here number. Even after you tried (and failed) to kiss you she was still probably had say 70%. But going to the Casino...repeated attempts to kiss... and I GUARANTEE her friends ragged heavily about you....

But clearly you can get hot women, just don't make mistakes. Next time, let her go with here friends, game other women, and call her Monday for a Thursday night date.

BTW...your original post is absolutely excellent. Love the chocolate analogy...in fact I am stealing it, LOL.

 

[SW15]

I'll be going to the same spot tonight with some friends. I'll let you know if I run into her again, or ideally, someone else

I like that you are going out in Wilmington instead of Philadelphia. It is closer to home and could help with pulling the same night sex. I hope you meet someone new.

 

[Chow Mein]

Quick take from the old lady:

You were cool until you said via text that you didn't think she was interested. That's where she blocked you. Why? That implies that since she wouldn't allow a kiss or sexual escalation, and you told her she wasn't interested (NEVER tell a woman what she thinks - 99 out of 100 times you will be assuming the wrong thing), so she now thinks that all you are interested in is sex, and, well, she's not that kind of girl and so you assumed you knew what she thought and that sunk you. For now. Plus, how dare you assume you know what she thinks. That is arrogant and a huge turn off.

This can be salvaged if you see her out again but will need to be a slow play.

Escalation too quickly will put off the best women. Its tacky and indicates lack of manners.

Gorgeous women see it ALL because every man wants them. So they get very skilled very quickly in reading people. So you gotta chill & let it ride. Don't be another douche trying to get in her pants immediately.

Final thought: Quit being so focused on getting the kiss right away. That destroys sexual tension. You want to build sexual tension, you want the girl to WANT to kiss you.

Reading assignment: Art of Seduction. Look at the way courtesans played the game. Its a dance. You still have some work to do on learning the nuances of the dance that is seduction.

When you have options, it’s very easy to get carried away with escalation because it’s so easy to get what you want from the women who are already sexually interested in you.

Good reminder.