why dont mothers teach their sons 'game'?

[betheman]

I suspect Im like many guys, mother, wanted sons to be a good 'nice ' guy, treat women with respect, dont upset them, be polite etc etc.
had an older Brother, younger sister, the ethos was be polite, look after women.
..be nice!

now, Im not laying blame for who I am at my mothers door, however I am interested in hearing other guys backgrounds and 'influences'!

what strikes me though is that women know game, they know it better then men, given that women love their little soldier, how come she doesnt equip him with the tools of war? I guess in days gone by, the breadwinner of the house would have provided a live in role model of how to treat a woman, then men passively screwed it up as feminism took a grip.

I read a report today on the bbc that teenage boys are now much less rebellious than they used to be, this is being celebrated, but deep inside me, it left me uncomfortable, that very energy, the essence of being 'alpha' (as much as I am hesitant to use that word) is being successfully sucked out of young men.

do mothers sacrifice even their own offspring in order to promote their own sex?

also, of the guys on here who are good/naturally confident with women, did mother help? hinder? did you have older sisters who allowed you to gaze into the true nature of women at an early age?

 

[Alvafe]

same reason fathers don't do it, they think you will not need and know better, then you don't and they say its you who don't know how to handle woman, and when you start to do it, they don't think its right.

really from all people I know only ONE told me they dad make him get to talk with girls of his age, he said he was shoot down a lot, but his dad then said its ok, now look at that one, go talk with her.

feh wonder why he was the one who scored more from all our group.

 

[Iceberg]

Women don't know how to attract women. Whether it's your mom, your sister, or your female "best friend".

You hear the type of advice they give. It's awful. They always give advice from the perspective of what a woman would like from her IDEAL man. As in "Call her. Bring flowers. Tell her you love her."

Yeah, that works if it's Bradd Pitt...or someone so in-demand that a woman will never feel so complacent that she gets bored of him. Women give Prince Charming / Snow White advice. It's not based in reality.

A woman is never gonna say "Go no contact. Slap her arse. Pull her hair. F**k dinner dates...buy her drinks. Spin plates." It's the stuff that works, but they don't know why it works. They don't even realize it's happening as it's happening.

 

[Burroughs]

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Yeah, that works if it's Bradd Pitt...or someone so in-demand that a woman will never feel so complacent that she gets bored of him. Women give Prince Charming / Snow White advice. It's not based in reality.

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Ummmmm like the dude from twilight

He got chumped pretty good :crackup: :crackup:

if pattinson got chumped no one is safe from BES...biyach entitlement syndrome....i just invented the term!

Women's entitlement is through the roof...hb4 biyaches think they deserve 10s...men need to use all tools at hand in order to secure puzzy :trouble: and above all never expose yourself financially :box:

 

[Who Dares Win]

Because any mother would rather have her son an average simple beta living in a mediocre safety than a daring man who has a fullfilling yet unsafe life.

Going after hot chicks is much more dangerous than people imagine, you risk from the beginning when you are competing with other top profile males till you marry her and you have to make sure nobody steals her.

Thats the same reason any mother tell you to do running instead of weight lifting or get that public job instead of trying to climb the ladder with your enterprise.

The sad thing however is when your own dad support that, it mostly means that he has no trust or pride in you nor in himself and subconsciously its one of the many damages to the self esteem of modern men.
I wonder how many here remember their fathers to push them to do something hard or slightly dangerous and be encouraged while doing it.

 

[FairShake]

Moms want grandkids. I always joke the only reason to have kids is grandkids.

A player running around having 5 minute dalliances with many women isn't likely to have kids he knows, loves, and is involved with. Hence no grandkids for g-mom.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Women don't know how to attract women. Whether it's your mom, your sister, or your female "best friend".

You hear the type of advice they give. It's awful. They always give advice from the perspective of what a woman would like from her IDEAL man. As in "Call her. Bring flowers. Tell her you love her."

Yeah, that works if it's Bradd Pitt...or someone so in-demand that a woman will never feel so complacent that she gets bored of him. Women give Prince Charming / Snow White advice. It's not based in reality.

A woman is never gonna say "Go no contact. Slap her arse. Pull her hair. F**k dinner dates...buy her drinks. Spin plates." It's the stuff that works, but they don't know why it works. They don't even realize it's happening as it's happening.

In other words, being treated like a princess by an attractive man that she fears losing.

 

[ZenoB]

Also, although a lot of the advice on here is age-old advice, we are living in different times from our parents.

Game is necessary now. Globalization, cell phones and the internet have quickly changed our culture and society. We are the guinea pigs in a transitional period adjusting to this change.

My father didn't need game. He was born in the 50's and there was still a lot of traditional families and feminism was just getting started by the time he was in his 20's. I wish he could have helped me out more but he probably didn't understand the need for it in the first place.

 

[muscleman]

I think this was touched on a little, but mothers don't teach sons game because they don't know how.

To learn game, the teacher has to be able to overtly communicate covert communication. Women can't do that.

 

[betheman]

I dont think the notion that women/mothers dont know how to teach game is true, they kow what works, what attracts and what doesnt, simply by getting their sons to eliminate basic mistakes, not buying presents/overkill, pedestalising would improve them significantly. and few do? Ive seen big sisters sometimes give such advice to young brothers, what sparked this thread was a met a woman who blew up at her Brothers wife to be, because in her words..."she is trying to trap him into marriage", the jerk wont listen though.
Id love to have had a big sister like that even.

 

[SecondHalf]

Women want all men (even the alphas they salivate for) to be nice controllable betas that will put them on a pedestal. They're all attention "hoes".
Just the way it is today, break the man down until he's no threat to her sense of self and control.

In the past 3 years, I've completely corrupted my son in my ex's eyes.
The kid has orbiters everywhere.
However he's a 15 year old, 195 pound, 5'11", blond wall of muscle.

SH

 

[backbreaker]

Women don't know how to attract women. Whether it's your mom, your sister, or your female "best friend".

You hear the type of advice they give. It's awful. They always give advice from the perspective of what a woman would like from her IDEAL man. As in "Call her. Bring flowers. Tell her you love her."

Yeah, that works if it's Bradd Pitt...or someone so in-demand that a woman will never feel so complacent that she gets bored of him. Women give Prince Charming / Snow White advice. It's not based in reality.

A woman is never gonna say "Go no contact. Slap her arse. Pull her hair. F**k dinner dates...buy her drinks. Spin plates." It's the stuff that works, but they don't know why it works. They don't even realize it's happening as it's happening.

this was especially the case in my household growing up. The older I get the funnier it is to me.

Because my father, was that guy. The alpha /jerk/player guy.

My mom, I mean, they get along, even to this day. he still cuts her grass. she doesn't hate him, but I mean... she made it known that this is not the type of man that women want and this is not how you shoudl treat women. women want a man that does (insert aFC bull****)

so of course, I take momma's advice, and the real rub was that I was a pretty good looking kid so to some extent, it worked. I was getting girls to look at me, even had a few girlfriends. usually kept a girlfriend as a teenager, so obviously I think hey momma's right, beucase i'm attracting girls. needless to say however, I couldn't keep them attracted and i would not just break up with girls, they would always break up wtih me in spectacular fashion, like i pissed them off by being so AFC lol. and of course momma is there to tell me she wasn't the right one or "i didn't like her anyway" and usually there was a girl or two around the corner that had an eye on me, etc

this **** went on until i was 18 and at that point i was like god dammit look. this **** doesn't make any sense. I mean, all my friends had really good / long relationships. I wasn't looking for a wife or anything but **** a dude should be able to to keep a girl for 6-12 months, at least once, i couldn't do that. utnil i found this site my longest relationship was 3 months.

then i got a little wiser and started really observing stuff.. my dad doesn't have problems getting women. een keeping them interested. the women my dad married would love nothing more than to be married to him if it weren't for the fact that he is a serial cheater. otherwise they love him lol.

so my conclusion is that, mommas dont' have teh slightest clue why they are attracted to men. I really, honestly believe that. My mom didn't have an agenda. she. she just doesn't get it. women dont' understand the dynamics of attraction. women don't understand that you don't have to be happy with the way a guy is acting towards you to actually want to fvck him. those aer 2 totally different emotions.

Like if you asked my wife right now why she is attracted to me, she would say something along the lines of he's handsome and he's nice to me, he's funny when he wants to be.. but, those are things she likes about me, that's now why she likes me fi that makes any sense. none of that **** matters if the girl doesnt' like you in the first place

 

[Aristippus]

"Women want all men (even the alphas they salivate for) to be nice controllable betas that will put them on a pedestal.".............

The irony is, woman meets man she's attracted to. The traits she's attracted to have NOTHING to do with being a spineless wimp that caters to her every little whim. In fact, she's MORE attracted to the man who has a mind of his own and won't take her b.s. The woman has the man she desires and tries to change him, basically trying to get him to become the wimpy guy she wouldn't have dated to begin with. She has 2 conflicting emotions. The biological need for a particular kind of man who leads a relationship, and her conditioned, spoiled brat desires that have been conditioned into her by other women with an entitlement mentality and the pathetic chumps that fall all over themselves to be with her and cave in to her every little capricious want.

These men fear losing her so badly that they will tolerate every childish tantrum and will jump every time she says to jump. They will tolerate disrespect and nagging, and they will tolerate being bossed around and scolded for no reason.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Alphas ain't easy to love and they're harder to hold
And they'd rather give you a schlong than diamonds or gold
Lonestar belt buckles and old faded Levis
And each night begins a new lay
And if you don't understand him and he don't die young,
He'll probably just ride away

Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be alphas
Don't let 'em pick up girls and drill them old fvcks
Make 'em be doctors and lawyers and such
Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be alphas
They'll never stay home and they're never alone,
Even with someone they love


Alphas like smoky old pool rooms, clear mountain mornings,
Little warm puzzies and no children, girls of the night
And them that don't know him will like him and them that do,
Sometimes won't know how to take him,
He ain't wrong, he's just different but his pride won't let him,
Do things to make you think he's right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_a4BU09GrU

 

[The Duke]

Stagger Lee- I've never thought of that song quite like that but it translates pretty well........Long Live Waylon and Willie!


In regards to mothers teaching their sons.........I once dated a girl who I was very much into. I was so attracted to her personality and looks that it put me in a weak position. Fast forward a couple months into the relationship and I have a trip planned with her. The morning we were to leave for our vacation I left her house to go back to mine and pack my bag. In route to my house I received a text from her saying she didn't think we should go on this trip together and wanted to break up. I was pretty floored and didn't expect this at all.

I pretty much said "no problem", have fun by yourself. I pulled away all attention and went no contact. Played it by the book.

This girl goes on the trip by herself and by the end of the first day she is texting me. By day 2 of her trip she is begging me to get on a plane and come see her.

My mom reminded me so much of this girl and they have a lot in common so I thought my mom would be a good choice for someone to talk to. So I call up ole' mom and get her advice. Of course my mom says sometimes women don't know what they want and are emotional blah blah blah. She tells me I should get on a plane and see her.

I mulled it over for a day, took my mom's advice, and bought me a stupid plane ticket to go see this girl.

Once I arrived, she was thrilled. However shortly after I arrived, her emotional high subsided and then she was back to being unsure about us.
You could sense the tension between us after her uncertainty came back into play. It wasn't a wasted trip but it wasn't the best vacation ever either.

When I got back home she dropped me off and that was pretty much it. For two years, she'd email or text every couple months just to see what was up although never admitting she really wanted to get back together. You know how women are.

Silly woman, she was a former Hawaiian Tropic model, had a great job, not clingy at all, had it all, but treated most every man she came into contact with the same way she treated me. She was born from a mother that did the same.

To sum it all up, the withdrawal of attention always attracted this girl. You had to be gaming this chic all the time to keep her interest and mom's advice pretty much sucked!

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I think this was touched on a little, but mothers don't teach sons game because they don't know how.

To learn game, the teacher has to be able to overtly communicate covert communication. Women can't do that.

We have a winner!

Look at it from an economic standpoint. There are TONS of dudes paying TONS of money on products to learn game.

You'd think if women knew game, at least SOME of them would be cashing in on this ever fattening cash cow.

As Muscleman pointed out, they aren't, because they can't.

And as Ross Jeffries pointed out many moons ago, what women SAY they respond to and what they ACTUALLY respond to are two VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.

Women don't have a clue what women want.

Best kept secret in the universe.

 

[PappyS]

Most women don't spend their time trying to f*** women. Instead, they have guys pursuing them, lying, and running game to get into their pants. They delude themselves and get deluded by the men who pursue them. So they know nothing about getting women. Asking women for romantic advice or advice on getting laid is like asking a deer how to hunt.

 

[nismo-4]

They can't. You sister can't either. None of your female relatives can.

Never take advice about getting women from a woman. At best, if your mom is attractive, you can bring her around as social proof. Since pre-selection works only with attractive females, this is the only good that I've seen, and yes I've seen guys bring their female relatives in social settings.

Remember that what women say and respond to are lightyears apart. 5 minutes of alpha beats 5 years of beta.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I think this was touched on a little, but mothers don't teach sons game because they don't know how.

To learn game, the teacher has to be able to overtly communicate covert communication. Women can't do that.

Very well stated.

On another note, touching on some later posts, isn't it interesting that in the game of attraction,, removal of attention is what attracts her, and then when in a relationship, removal of attention is what punishes her?

 

[Mike32ct]

Women don't analyze this stuff like we do. They either find a guy attractive or they don't.

They don't play pickup guru and try to figure out why a guy is good with women and try to reverse engineer attractiveness. It's not important to them.

Lastly most females including your mom don't believe it's possible to improve in this area. You either naturally attract women or you don't. My own mom told me "Maybe you just aren't meant to date."

Men believe in so called "game" not women. This is why women tell you to be yourself. Most women think game stuff is a waste of time. (Although she might believe in some C o s mo games to attract guys, but that's another topic. I'm talking only about map attract female game.)