Why do I need to prove my value to women and not the other way around?

[Zircon916]

This is sort of a theoretical discussion so don't take this post too seriously, just looking for some intellectual thought on gender relations.

So I was just thinking, there is a whole art out there on how to pick up women and how to show them you are a high value person, thus the existence of forums like these.

This is virtual non-existent on the other side. There are no professional programs teaching women how to attract men, there are no forums out there on how to attract men. Yes women do make an effort to look attractive with makeup/hair/clothes/body, but their efforts are virtually full-proof in the fact that no matter what they do, all they have to do is pretty much show up and they will get a return on investment no matter what. Doesn't matter how fat (unless you are a complete whale), how ugly, how unsuccessful, if you have kids, how unfunny, etc etc if you show up to a bar/club/online dating site there WILL be guys there who will be willing to take you home for the night and there WILL be guys there that will date you.

As far as guys are concerned, we have to train and train, read up, learn how to be smooth, how to be funny, how to be confident, how to show our value to women, how to show them that we are worth their time, etc, just to have a CHANCE at getting with someone. Guys can put tons of effort into it (way more than women) and still walk away unsuccessful.

So by no means am I model material nor am I very rich, but for a 25 year old who wasn't born into wealth I am pretty successful, am smart, attractive and fit, nice car, nice apartment, stable financially. Basically I have lots of good assets and qualities. The problem? I have no idea how to sell myself (to women) and haven't developed the DJ techniques to pick up women. So I'm sitting here wondering...

Shouldn't women need to prove their value to me? And other guys like me?

It seems like the way the gender relationships works is that simply being a woman is enough. They don't need to be very attractive, they don't need to be successful, they don't need to be intelligent, they don't need to have a good sense of humor, they don't need to put in ANY effort, just being born a woman is enough.

I have to ask. Why is this game needed? Why are DJ techniques even required to pick up women in the first place? Why don't women need to exert the same effort to pick up men?

 

[slaog]

Be higher value and they'll want to prove themselves to you

 

[Kerpal]

Because men want sex a lot more than women do.

 

[Furyguy]

There is the glaringly obvious, though not necessarily correct, answer that men just want sex more than women do.

Genetically, women are programmed to be very selective. Men are programmed to do the opposite and **** as much as possible. People discount the importance of genetics on human behavior, but it's responsible for a lot more of our actions than we realize.

 

[Aragon034]

your question is an answer onto itself.

if you demonstrate low value, only low value women will be attracted to you (for other reasons, money, looks, etc...)

It's not about DEMONSTRATING high value, any ol chump can do that. It's about BEING high value. It's about being able to weather whatever kind of ****storm comes your way and come out laughing.

This gives you the opportunity to pick and choose from those already attracted to you, and have more success in getting new chicks atrracted to you.

 

[coolf1r3]

Because men want sex a lot more than women do.

I think you're mistaken, sir.

 

[Pathgen]

Originally Posted by Kerpal
Because men want sex a lot more than women do.
I think you're mistaken, sir.

I have to agree with coolf1r3 here. I have come to the realization that women want sex equally as men. They just have a much easier time obtaining it than we do. Therefore they do not need to be desperate, they can chose to be choosy

 

[slaog]

your question is an answer onto itself.

if you demonstrate low value, only low value women will be attracted to you (for other reasons, money, looks, etc...)

It's not about DEMONSTRATING high value, any ol chump can do that. It's about BEING high value. It's about being able to weather whatever kind of ****storm comes your way and come out laughing.

This gives you the opportunity to pick and choose from those already attracted to you, and have more success in getting new chicks atrracted to you.

Very true


A high value person (ie DJ) will not chase any woman. There is subcommunication going on all the time and people quickly establish the other persons value. Usually it's the value the other person put on themselves. That means if the other person thinks they are high value they'll act it and be more attractive.

 

[ready123]

I agree with Aragorn about the being, not trying. And you don't need external status symbols like cars and money to be high value. All you need is to be positively comfortable in your own skin and open to the world.

Other than that, the whole part about women not having to develop social intelligence is an erroneous simplification of how the world works. They obsess about this sht at least as much as us guys do. The Rules came out a long time before The Game did.

Bottomline is that you don't need to study any of this sht to get game. You just need to push your comfort zone and get experience. But most guys are too scared to jump in the water period... but give them a little social model to learn (even if its bullsht) and it pushes them to action

 

[Kerpal]

I have to agree with coolf1r3 here. I have come to the realization that women want sex equally as men. They just have a much easier time obtaining it than we do. Therefore they do not need to be desperate, they can chose to be choosy

But why do they have an easier time obtaining it? I believe it's because of a disparity in the demand for sex.

Women do want sex, but men want it a lot more. And that gives women a lot of power.

 

[nismo-4]

Very simple...

This is the 2000's, not the early 80's. Women are becoming a lot more independent.

 

[Single_Sucks]

This is virtual non-existent on the other side. There are no professional programs teaching women how to attract men, there are no forums out there on how to attract men.

Yes there are actually, I've found them online

Women crave and get AFC over guys, but only the ones which they determine to be perfect. Try to be that guy I suppose.

This reminds me, to get chicks don't focus on the chick, focus on making yourself come across as amazing as possible.

 

[slaog]

Yes there are actually, I've found them online

Women crave and get AFC over guys, but only the ones which they determine to be perfect. Try to be that guy I suppose.

This reminds me, to get chicks don't focus on the chick, focus on making yourself come across as amazing as possible.

Thats correct!


Women want to feel attraction for a man but the problem is that too many men are AFC's. So improve yourself and as ou become a DJ you'll find that now because most men are AFC's, women now want you and so that raises your value.


So the ball is in the mens court. Become a DJ and you're in a small percentage of men and therefore you get to choose the women.

 

[Darth]

Very simple...

This is the 2000's, not the early 80's. Women are becoming a lot more independent.

+1.

Our brains are still programmed from the days when the majority of women were more innocent. Now the majority are not- they're promiscuous. It sucks, but that's our culture at the moment. Hopefully it's temporary.

You don't know how much I want to go back to the 50's, or even the 80's. Heck, even the 90's.

Girls from this time just don't turn me on. Too many of them with no manners, no sense of good dress, trying to act like men, cussing, and acting like they are 8 freaking years old. It sucks.

At this point if I ever see a pretty girl in a dress on the street I'll just pounce on her. It's that bad. When was the last time you saw one of these creatures.