Why are women these days failing to weed out irresponsible/stupid men?

[HardTimes]

I have a fundamental question about women these days compared to say 50 years ago.

Why is it that our society (at least in the US), it has come to a point where instead of the intelligent and successful men being hugely successful with women, its the low lifes and the idiots who are easily hooking up with women left and right and having tons of kids that they have no intention of ever taken care of, leaving yet another poor single mother? It's hard to argue that this isn't an increasing phenomenon since out of wedlock births are through the roof and still increasing. Latest figures I have seen is that it is up 26% from 2002.

So why is it that intelligence, ambitious, and hard working men like me are being rejected these days over jobless deadbeats who will father more children this year then I will in my entire life? Yes, I am an AFC and he may be a seasoned DJ but lets be serious here, being a AFC doesn't have any effect on your success or your contribution to society. I am an AFC but I am soon to hold two master degrees, have a decently paying job, and own two homes. I'm obviously an success and being an AFC isn't holding me back in my professional career and my ambitions in life.

If women were by in large picking DJs that were also respectable men who took care of their responsibilities that would be a different story (and im not claiming anybody on this site is one of the irresponsible DJs, just saying what I observed in the real world and what I see from statistics), but they are by in large picking the "DJs" that are complete deadbeats, *******s, and losers to hook up with and produce "oopssie" offsprings with.

So, again I ask, completely theoretical question and discussion, why the sudden reversal on how women choose their mates from 50 years ago? No flames please, just trying to start a discussion. Add anything you think that is relevant to the discussion.

 

[Warrior74]

Alpha vs Beta bro.

Real alpha men are more likely to be in jail these days. Men with good jobs and responsible and who do what society says is right are more likely to be beta. Women have total free choice to choose who they want thanks to modern society and feminism. Go and look at old movies like the Wild Ones...women were trained to stay away from those types, hold on to their purity and find a good provider. They don't need a good provider anymore (at least they think they don't). They think a man is an accessory to their lifestyle.

I had a 21 year old tell me this today. "I don't need a man, I can make my own money and take care of myself. If I have a man it's because I want him there until I don't want him anymore." The type of guys she dates are thugs and badboys...not nice guys. They don't need a nice guy. They want something fun and exciting.

Now after real life gets a hold of them and they get a couple of kids and find out they do need a man, they are in their 30s which is why I get all those girls from high school and college trying to tie me down now, except I'm not that nice guy they used to know. I just pump em and dump em. They cry and realize they had it wrong all along and usually find a weaker guy to stay with them. I see a lot of them with big fat guys or total nerdy guys and talk about how they are in love and still calling me or trying to keep tabs with me on facebook.

So in summation. Become someone who is well dressed, well groomed, fun, exciting and unattainable. They don't need you, make them want you.

 

[theunflushables]

^this.

 

[cola]

I think your failing to understand what a woman looks for. There are some women out there who will date you because of your financial status, but what they really seek is excitement and spontenaity..
They don't want the same boring suite and tie guys sitting at the dinner table talking about there recent investments and new aquired property.
That'sboring they want a guy who's going to grab them by there hand, say let's go and take her to have the time of there life.
Fun.
That's the name of this game, you seem too serious and focused on stats and figures. Be fun man.

 

[devoncassidy]

leaving yet another poor single mother?

It's hard for me to feel bad for a woman who ends up a single mother because she was dating an A55hole. Did she expect a responsible/faithful companion from some douchebag she probably couldn't trust anyway?

Now after real life gets a hold of them and they get a couple of kids and find out they do need a man, they are in their 30s which is why I get all those girls from high school and college trying to tie me down now, except I'm not that nice guy they used to know. I just pump em and dump em. They cry and realize they had it wrong all along and usually find a weaker guy to stay with them. I see a lot of them with big fat guys or total nerdy guys and talk about how they are in love and still calling me or trying to keep tabs with me on facebook.

The saddest part is that they will probably find the weaker guy.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Real alpha men are more likely to be in jail these days.

You must mean rapists, child molesters, agressive motherf*ckers that don;t have self control. Those all sound like agressive betas rather than "alphas".

So in summation. Become someone who is well dressed, well groomed, fun, exciting and unattainable. They don't need you, make them want you.

Yup.

 

[MisterMcGee]

It has more to do with the Alpha guy's GO-GETTUM attitude. It's not so much that he is 'better' than you, it's more about how he goes and gets what he wants and has a higher chance of scoring a hottie.

 

[Frog X]

Alpha vs Beta bro.

Real alpha men are more likely to be in jail these days.

I always find this idea interesting. Think about it, most of the guys in prison for the hectic crimes like assault and stuff are probably alphas, just they were born in the wrong era, you know like off sin city how they say marve was boing in the wrong time, he would have been at home on a medievil battle field swinging an axe.

Theses days, to me, the epitome of the modern alpha would be James bond. He's suave and uses wit instead of force to control situations.

Thats the major difference, these guys just don't fit in this society, ya know, when violence was the currency they would have reigned supreme with wealth and women.

The whole alpha vs beta debate is hilarious btw.

 

[daygameguy]

The best thing to do is to stop worrying about other men. Compete with yourself and improve yourself and be worthy in your own eyes. Stop giving a fvck about others.

 

[PSYCHO]

Women love Men - Hors like Thugs!

 

[Frog X]

Women love Men - Hors like Thugs!

Sums up the thread!

 

[HardTimes]

Real alpha men are more likely to be in jail these days. Men with good jobs and responsible and who do what society says is right are more likely to be beta.

So you are you saying that it's the men who have changed and that 50 years ago the alphas were the smart, responsible, and successful ones? And that the betas were the losers?

Women have total free choice to choose who they want thanks to modern society and feminism. Go and look at old movies like the Wild Ones...women were trained to stay away from those types, hold on to their purity and find a good provider. They don't need a good provider anymore (at least they think they don't). They think a man is an accessory to their lifestyle.

Then again, are you saying that women only make smart choices regarding men when they are required to? If left to their own independance, they will make bad choices and society will have the suffer the consequences with tons of single mothers draining the welfare system and more than likely raising horrible kids?

I had a 21 year old tell me this today. "I don't need a man, I can make my own money and take care of myself. If I have a man it's because I want him there until I don't want him anymore." The type of guys she dates are thugs and badboys...not nice guys. They don't need a nice guy. They want something fun and exciting.

Quite sad.

So in summation. Become someone who is well dressed, well groomed, fun, exciting and unattainable. They don't need you, make them want you.

Yes I can and do do that and still be unsuccesful but I want to make this a generic thread to discuss the issue and not about me, I just used myself as an example.

 

[HardTimes]

I think your failing to understand what a woman looks for. There are some women out there who will date you because of your financial status, but what they really seek is excitement and spontenaity..
They don't want the same boring suite and tie guys sitting at the dinner table talking about there recent investments and new aquired property.
That'sboring they want a guy who's going to grab them by there hand, say let's go and take her to have the time of there life.
Fun.
That's the name of this game, you seem too serious and focused on stats and figures. Be fun man.

I understand that women seek the excitement and spontenaity but why is it that the vast majority of time they seek in the worst of men and majority of time have kids with these men? The thing I don't understand is more basic, as to why the worst kind of men for society are by far the most successful and producing offspring? Altough I am young (27) from what I can tell this is a very recent phenomenon and all of the stats back it up. Where are we headed in society of this continues?

 

[HardTimes]

Thats the major difference, these guys just don't fit in this society, ya know, when violence was the currency they would have reigned supreme with wealth and women.

If they don't fit in society, why are they much more successful with women?

 

[46and2aheadofme]

I have a fundamental question about women these days compared to say 50 years ago.

Why is it that our society (at least in the US), it has come to a point where instead of the intelligent and successful men being hugely successful with women, its the low lifes and the idiots who are easily hooking up with women left and right and having tons of kids that they have no intention of ever taken care of, leaving yet another poor single mother? It's hard to argue that this isn't an increasing phenomenon since out of wedlock births are through the roof and still increasing. Latest figures I have seen is that it is up 26% from 2002.

Thousands of years of attraction to the guys swinging the axes on the battlefield and slaying people left and right is still imprinted in women's brains. But now that society has done a 180 the type of guys who have that mentality in this society are the least successful in terms of getting a job and sustaining themselves. They'd rather get drunk and start a fight then go into a job interview.

Throughout early human history these testosterone filled alpha males who didn't give a f*ck were the most successful, and could provide for the most women and spread their gene pool to the most women. They would go out and conquer people, and everyone (including women) worshipped them for it.

nowadays as a result of the feminist movement (combined with the fact that women can sustain themselves) women lead lifestyles where they can do whatever the f*ck they want (dating the unemployed bad boy who rides a motorcycle and smokes weed all day). It doesn't matter to them that the guy who makes them wet is a loser (by societal standards).

So why is it that intelligence, ambitious, and hard working men like me are being rejected these days over jobless deadbeats who will father more children this year then I will in my entire life?

Of course rich/ successful guys can bank on the fact that there are still gold diggers out there who will basically trade sex/ relationship for living a wealthy lifestyle. However, if you are boring/ unattractive, no amount in the world will get girls flocking to you.

Yes, I am an AFC and he may be a seasoned DJ but lets be serious here, being a AFC doesn't have any effect on your success or your contribution to society. I am an AFC but I am soon to hold two master degrees, have a decently paying job, and own two homes. I'm obviously an success and being an AFC isn't holding me back in my professional career and my ambitions in life.

You are probably frustrated because girls are going for the intelligent, ambitious DJs and not an intelligent, ambitious AFC such as yourself (using your words not mine).

If women were by in large picking DJs that were also respectable men who took care of their responsibilities that would be a different story (and im not claiming anybody on this site is one of the irresponsible DJs, just saying what I observed in the real world and what I see from statistics), but they are by in large picking the "DJs" that are complete deadbeats, *******s, and losers to hook up with and produce "oopssie" offsprings with.

In summation, women's biological attractions have yet to catch up with drastic changes in society.

So, again I ask, completely theoretical question and discussion, why the sudden reversal on how women choose their mates from 50 years ago?

Comparing the situation to 50 years ago, women were so suppressed from giving into these baser insticts by society that it was social suicide for them to act like whors. I beleive equal rights for women in theory is a good thing. But this fresh power has resulted in many women of our generation running amock.

This is all theoretical and a gross generalization, so don't go thinking all is hopeless. It is usually the immature/ young women who don't know any better that will mother the child of guys like Desmond Hatchett. Later in life (mid 30s) I'm sure you will start to see things change to your favor, because women are more mature and looking to settle down.

Until then work on not being an AFC and use your success to your advantage so you can fit that image of the type of guy that has turned women on for thousands of years:

-get a gym membership and a personal trainer
-wear high status/ fashionable clothing
-keep your hygeine up
-go to expensive clubs/ bars
-you get the point

Leave it to guys like Desmond Hatchett to be a complete detriment to society by fathering 21 kids and not having enough child support for the retarded women he screwed to buy as much as a can of babyfood at the supermarket. If he were born 1000 years ago, fathering that many children would be completely normal because he would be the kinda guy with his own harem and a standing army.
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[Furyguy]

The thing I don't understand is more basic, as to why the worst kind of men for society are by far the most successful and producing offspring?

Probably because they're all out at the bar hitting on scuzzy *****es while you're in bed getting ready for tomorrow at the office.

 

[HardTimes]

You are probably frustrated because girls are going for the intelligent, ambitious DJs and not an intelligent, ambitious AFC such as yourself (using your words not mine).

I was completely with you up until this point. This is definately not the case and the stats do not back this up. Yes of course there are intelligent, ambitious and successful DJs and I already stated that I completely understand if this was the type of guy that most women were hooking up with and this thread wouldn't exist.

Given the fact that this type of man is very rare, most of the choices women have are between successful AFCs or unsuccessful/loser DJs. The fact is that women are choosing to biologically advance the genes of losers and lowlifes, contraty to what you would logically want in society. It also has the immediate of negative effect of tons of more single women and fatherless kids relying on the system and are more likely (even without factoring the passing of bad genes) to be troubled in life without a father in the home (statistics back this up).

Now, the 40's an 50's had their problems (lack of civil rights for example), but in those times women seemed to have choose men more wisely, out of wedlock births and fatherless homes were orders of magnitute lower, a lot less people relied on the government.

It seemed as soon as the feminist movement came into play and promiscuity became the norm, women all of a sudden got stupid with their choice of men and we as a society are paying for it.

Don't get me wrong though, women should be free to sleep and have kids with whoever they want and if women as a society through natural selection only choose to further advance the genes of the agressive, unintelligent and unambitious then we as a society and species deserve what we get. I'm just want to understand why this is and why no one is talking about it. The statistics and data about behavioral patterns of the new generations are all there and say women are procreating and worse and worse men every generation.

 

[HardTimes]

Probably because they're all out at the bar hitting on scuzzy *****es while you're in bed getting ready for tomorrow at the office.

100% true, but why in society is this a bad thing?

Since when is going to bed early on a thursday night for work tomorrow a bad thing but going to the bars and drinking till 2am then waking up the next morning at 12pm because you have no job and live with your parents a good thing?

I litterally have a friend (more of a acquaintance, not a close friend) who makes minimum wage at del taco, lives with his parents and is 31 years old. He gets way more tail than me (I get none). He also has 2 kids that he never sees and doesn't support (and never will).

 

[daygameguy]

100% true, but why in society is this a bad thing?

Since when is going to bed early on a thursday night for work tomorrow a bad thing but going to the bars and drinking till 2am then waking up the next morning at 12pm because you have no job and live with your parents a good thing?

I litterally have a friend (more of a acquaintance, not a close friend) who makes minimum wage at del taco, lives with his parents and is 31 years old. He gets way more tail than me (I get none). He also has 2 kids that he never sees and doesn't support (and never will).

Damn.. this thread is getting interesting.. I hate society sometimes.

 

[46and2aheadofme]

I was completely with you up until this point. This is definately not the case and the stats do not back this up. Yes of course there are intelligent, ambitious and successful DJs and I already stated that I completely understand if this was the type of guy that most women were hooking up with and this thread wouldn't exist.

Given the fact that this type of man is very rare, most of the choices women have are between successful AFCs or unsuccessful/loser DJs.

you just answered your own question there. Successful, ambitious DJs are rare. This is why you don't see them showing up in your all encompassing statistics about women procreating with losers. I never mentioned anything about successful AFCs being successful with women. However, I personally know some extremely ambitious DJs whom girls go after all the time.

In addition, I have witnessed a conversation between 2 girls that went something like this:

HB #1 "Hey what do you think of _____"
HB# 2 "Idk he's kinda cute but a little shy"
HB #1 "I know! but he's a bio major and has a 3.8....he's definitely going to be a doctor."
HB #2 "Yeah your right. He's definitely a catch"

Now if you analyze this properly, these girls were attracted to my hallmate in part because he was ambitious/ successful.
However he never did anything with these girls because he didn't have the balls or the knowledge of the game to use this to his advantage.

The fact is that women are choosing to biologically advance the genes of losers and lowlifes, contraty to what you would logically want in society. It also has the immediate of negative effect of tons of more single women and fatherless kids relying on the system and are more likely (even without factoring the passing of bad genes) to be troubled in life without a father in the home (statistics back this up).

There are hundreds of factors (a few of which I mentioned in my last post) which pricks a woman's desire in the types of guys who are more likely to go to jail than get a promotion.

For example: the guy who is an unsuccessful loser now was probably the guy in high school who f*cked chicks left and right.
Maybe he was the high school quarterback who wasn't quite good enough to play in college.
Or maybe he was the good looking mysterious guy who would take girls to smoke weed in his van and hook up with them while all the smart, future successful kids were getting last minute studying in before the test.

Whatever it was that made girls attracted to them, these present day losers who had high status in high school learned a lot about women and how to attract them while the rest of us were in our rooms masterbating/ studying.

As a result they come out of that experience with nothing in terms of advancing in society, but reaped huge rewards in terms of how to get a girl wetter than a themed water park.

Now, the 40's an 50's had their problems (lack of civil rights for example), but in those times women seemed to have choose men more wisely, out of wedlock births and fatherless homes were orders of magnitute lower, a lot less people relied on the government.

It seemed as soon as the feminist movement came into play and promiscuity became the norm, women all of a sudden got stupid with their choice of men and we as a society are paying for it.

Don't get me wrong though, women should be free to sleep and have kids with whoever they want and if women as a society through natural selection only choose to further advance the genes of the agressive, unintelligent and unambitious then we as a society and species deserve what we get. I'm just want to understand why this is and why no one is talking about it. The statistics and data about behavioral patterns of the new generations are all there and say women are procreating and worse and worse men every generation.

You are making a very damaging fallacy here. Yes there is a correlation between being a loser and getting your d1ck wet.

Is it because they are unsuccessful that women are screwing f*ck-ups?

Of course not.

Unemployment does not = attraction.

Nothing is that linear. You have to look at all the factors which are correlated with someone who is unemployed that make women attracted to them---not just the fact that they are unemployed.

You also need to look at factors which make smart, nerdy, successful guys typically bad at attracting women.

AND---You are making a large mistake by limiting your views due to your own experiences and a couple of statistics.

I see smart successful guys who get with girls pretty frequently, but these guys are also the type that are more inclined to be in a relationship.

Maybe the losers of society screw girl after girl and don't give a f*ck because that's all they really have in life?

Bottom line: look your best and learn how to attract girls. Stop trying to rely on the fact that you have money, because that is only 1 factor which may result in a girl being attracted to you.