Why Are MGTOWs and MRAs Beefing?

[Tenacity]

I wanted to start a discussion on this with you guys to get some of your thoughts, points of view, etc.

So as I have mentioned in prior posts, I was MGTOW before I even knew what the hell MGTOW was about. As most of you know there's two main camps now in the Manosphere related world and it's the MRAs and the MGTOWs.

- The MRAs are supposedly seeking to fight the laws and create change, so that as men we can continue to live our lives with women without the threat of being "hung" so to speak by the law in some capacity.

- The MGTOWs don't believe the laws can be changed and thus, most of them, have totally opted out of dealing with women other than for professional means or through sex (friends with benefits) only.

Paul Elam and Aaron Clarey have been under attack by MGTOWs lately in a very large way, and I just find it a little disturbing.

I have made threads here asking about why in the world do we as men, keep allowing these Feminists to screw us over within the law? The MRAs and movements like those seem to be trying to fight back against the situation while MGTOWs have basically said screw it and are sitting back "enjoying the decline."

My question to guys here, are you MGTOW or MRA? I consider myself to be MGTOW but only at Level 2, which means I still date, sex, and do short term relationships with women but due to the laws, I have opted out of legal relationships with them (marriage and making kids). However, if movements like the MRA would have changed these unfair laws YEARS ago, to where it's safe to get married and make kids, I would have done that, which I guess doesn't make me MGTOW but instead makes me an MRA?

I don't know, where do you guys stand on this? And why in the world can't MGTOWs and MRAs unite? I really don't understand that crap, we are literally ALL we have in this world and we are fighting over minimal non-sense? MRAs attack MGTOWs saying they are just bitter, fat, broke, ugly and can't get laid. MGTOWs attack MRAs saying they are just out for money and full of propaganda. I don't get why the two camps can't get along?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I am my own man, a republic of one. Don't have a need to fit into any specific camp since I do whatever works for me as an individual. And while the individual is the smallest minority on Earth, the individual isn't bound by the constraints or limitations enforced by groups.

 

[Starwolf]

I don't know, where do you guys stand on this? And why in the world can't MGTOWs and MRAs unite? I really don't understand that crap, we are literally ALL we have in this world and we are fighting over minimal non-sense? MRAs attack MGTOWs saying they are just bitter, fat, broke, ugly and can't get laid. MGTOWs attack MRAs saying they are just out for money and full of propaganda. I don't get why the two camps can't get along?

Because Most MRA's are traditionalist and just want to go back to the way things were.They want to meet women halfway so everyone can be happy
but this means that men will still be just an utility used by women for their own benefit.

MGTOWs are not interested in meeting women halfway they had enough. They are taking their identity back and live their lives with or without the approval of women.


my stand on this.. I'm with the MGTOW's I really don't feel like compromising anymore or working my ass of for women/children. I want to do my thing, And women who don't have a problem with that are welcome to tag a long.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I am my own man, a republic of one. Don't have a need to fit into any specific camp since I do whatever works for me as an individual. And while the individual is the smallest minority on Earth, the individual isn't bound by the constraints or limitations enforced by groups.

Very well said. I agree 100%.

You'll find the same rifts in every group that has ever existed, and every group that will exist in the future.

It is human nature.

 

[speed dawg]

There is a middle ground between the two, and rest assured, that particular way is the CORRECT way. Men were meant to lead. Men also are the creators of their own society. A big problem with the sh*t society around us is that men have failed to lead. It's a bigger problem with the few real men that are left, are disengaged, and that is what MGTOW is doing. MRA may be delusional, but at some level men MUST take an active role in their communities. Even if it's just voting.

Underlying problem is still self-esteem. Apparently the MGTOW and MRA guys still struggle with this, that's why they are "beefing" as you say. Struggle for power tells me we really haven't learned anything from the mistakes of baby boomer liberalism. Somewhere along the line, for things to be nice, SOMEONE has to make a sacrifice. No one seems willing to do this, because we are a society of cowards.

Can we stop the decline? Probably not, but we can slow it down and stabilize it. Change is more acceptable if it's slowly introduced, rather than radical and immediate. Is change good? Well I don't know, but it's unavoidable.

 

[evan12]

talking from Canadian prospective both MRA and MGTOW have ZERO influence on the society, people are so sided to feminists that you cant even open the subject of reviewing any of existing law .
the MGTOW could be fine with that , because you dont need help of any one if you just decided to live your life . but MRA need to have strong influence on the media and people to reach their goals .

 

[Who Dares Win]

Being MGTOW is not only about women, its about society itself.

The simple concept of being taxed to support someone I dont know and probably dont even like is enough for me to try to get as far as possible from society.

Money= time spent doing something you have to do instead of what you want to do, so please tell me why should I give my time to someone else benefit...actually thats the definition of slavery.

Regarding the law, the fact that most of people approves it doesnt mean that I have to if I can avoid it.
No change in hell Im not gonna shot a robber in my house just because some leftist believes that he has more rights than me in my own fkn house.

The point regarding women and interaction is just a conseguence of it, if a deal sucks we simply dont sign it wheter its with a girl or a society.

 

[Tenacity]

Nice responses guys. I think one of the biggest divides with MRAs and MGTOWs are that MRAs might be trying to do something to change the laws, which in the process has a lot of guys within the MRAs becoming somewhat of an apologist to women or trying to bring women into the MRA Movement to help make it mainstream. It's a point I touched on before in how we would create change with the laws, and it's to bring women within the Movement.

But MGTOWs are guys who have just said fvck it in every sense of the word, and aren't trying to CHANGE the laws as they don't believe they can be changed.

I'm still learning and working on myself, I know "a little something" about the world, finances, women, etc. but I still have a lot to learn.

One of the things I can really learn is to just accept reality or accept people for what they are, and change what I can change...but what I can't changed, to just "let it go and walk away."

I find myself always trying to change people around me today. I preach, preach, talk, talk, into the person "gets it" and even if they "get it" they still end up not doing what I recommended or they still not end up getting my point.

I would love to be full MGTOW and just not care to try and change people, change society, preach, talk, etc. anymore. I think a lot of the MGTOWs started as MRAs but eventually drifted into MGTOW after realizing there's no way we are going to change the situation of the world. So the focus is on ENJOYING life (as this might be our only life), doing what you want to do, and opting out of the system in a lot of ways to not support it....thus helping accelerate "the decline".

 

[Vulpine]

If,

90% of the world's population lives in ubran centers (cities)

+

70% of people think they have "above average" intelligence

Then,

"voting" is a hot-dog-down-a-hallway in terms of being effectual.

Skip voting, run for office*. Leaders lead, followers vote.

Make an "Alpha/Beta" conclusion if you must.





*or abandon "society" and that set of rules/obligations.