When she brings up the "50/50" feminism.

[MrCasual]

It's hard being a guy. We KNOW every girl
wants a guy stronger, smarter, tougher, and
with more earning potential than she has, but
chances are still good that she's adopted
the illogical feminist idealogue that women
are completely equal with men.(part of
this is semantics, because women have equal
VALUE but not equal ABILITY).

This 50/50 thing can come up in a variety of
ways, but here are a few staples:
1. She rants that women are mistreated and
abused (although she makes quite a nice
pay check, and ironically, she has no
intention of paying that check that's sitting
on the table. Wish I was abused).
2. She'll take offense at you acting LIKE A
GUY. Opening doors, and my all time least
favorite, her taking control at a restaurant,
answering the waiter when he asks "if we're
ok". Stuff like that.
3. Arranging a work project (waxing her car,
putting up a picture, etc) to be done
"together", but inevitably she ends up standing there watching you work.

Ive REALLY struggled with this area, and
admit I dont have it all figured out yet.
BUt I'm making progress in a few areas.
1. No BullSh#t. When she's "pretending"
that she's equal with me, I tell her she's
not. I call this, 'bringing her back to
reality'. If I'm changing a tire, I'll
let it be known i dont think she's capable
of it.
2. When the waiter comes around, and she
starts to blut out "were ok", I jump right
in with the waiter, make eye contact, make
it clear IM PAYING the bill, and if he
expects a tip, he's gotta deal with me
directly or suffer the consequences.
3. I'm in CONTROL at least 80 percent of
the time. This is my rule. I WILL NOT
continue to date a woman who fights me
on this. Some qualities I'll drop a woman
over: non stop blabbing at social events,
controlling conversation, interfering with
my friends, making demands on my work
schedule, or anything else where she's
trying to grab control.
4. I make final decisions. Occasionally,
you simply cannot compromise on an issue
and someone gotta make the call. If she
won't let me do it, she's gone.
5. The whole name thing. If she EVER
hints that she wouldnt take my name if
we got married, adios immediately. Guys,
dont play with this one. She means exactly
what she says.
6. Bad financial habits. I had to cut
one loose recently because she was a
loose spender despite having little money.
Believe me, she'll eventually bankrupt you.
7. ANY, and i mean ANY repeated remarks
about your masculinity. This is the ultimate
weapon of a *****. If she doesnt want
you to be the guy, then you dont want her.
I'm telling you, when comments like
"you sound like a little girl when you
argue"....she's going to the ultimate
weapon and has a ruthless streak. At
the same time, A GUY SHOULD NEVER MAKE
COMMENTS ABOUT A WOMAN'S FEMINITY. That's
hallowed ground.
Hope this helps. I'm looking forward
to reading some follow ups, because
this is a huge problem area to all guys.

 

[Wyldfire]

If she's interested enough in feminism to call herself a feminist run like hell. She'll make your life a living hell.

 

[Pedro]

Hmmm I guess this post deserves some comments....I disagree with many things MrCasual said, and what I will say will prove to all of you that we can get different views and behaviours based on different ideologies...it is obvious that MrCasual is a conservative guy...you would say in the US that I am liberal...here in Europe we call it LEFT....we find the US liberals at our right....but let's go to the points:

1. Throw away women that wants you to have more earning potential than her if that's one of her objectives...she's not supposed to live at your costs, right ? That's why I would never have a relationship with a women that would give a HINT that they would like to spend her life at home as a housewife.

2. Feminists are everything bad...but their are really right at one thing, the big problem is that they are not consequent in that. Yes, we are completely equal. And that's very good. The women's liberation was fundamental, because only that permitted the rising of the men that want men's liberation.
It's our time now, guys ! But the main problem is that most of the women only want equal rights for stuff they take advantage off. They think they have the right to choose first most of the times, of the guy pay them dinners and so on, just because they're women and we're men. This is totally unacceptable. Just because I was born a man does it mean that I have to bow before women and have less rights ? Come on....If we are really equal, that must mean we are equal for what's good and for what's bad.

3. If she says women are mistreated and abused, immediately you must say that men are also mistreated and abused, and give immediately the exemples of child custody, sexual harassment, different covers at discos and so on....she's expected to return that with bla-blahs of child more closed to mother and so on, and to that you must answer with logic...saying things like "yes, but both father and mother have equal rights...or should have" and so on.

4. Make her pay half of the bill or her part...or just do like players do, and it that case very well, do NOT set dates unless you have already get laid with her.

5. Do not let women stand there in the work projects to be done together while you work. It's simple. Say her something like "We're supposed to do this together, right ? Or you do something or I'm going away right now"

6. Ah, and women can change tyres too, probably most of them will do it slower, but surely they can do it. It's not difficult.

7. MrCasual is totally right about being in control and her comments on your masculinity.

8. I really didn't understand what MrCasual means in his point 4.

9. On the whole name thing, I have a totally different opinion. More than it, I don't know why is it important to anyone that his wife takes his name. In my case, it's just the opposite: or she doesn't take my name, or no marriage. My name is my name, not hers. And she must be proud of her single name. A real woman is proud of it, and doesn't need her husband's name for anything.
Just like I would never take her name, she will never take mine. We are equal, dot.

10. Well, I wouldn't immediately drop a woman just because of her bad financial habits, but you can be sure I would never marry or live with a woman very bad at it. The main stuff here goes like this: she can have all the bad financial habits she has, if it doesn't make you support her or so on. Just never have a common bank account. And never let her put her hand on your money.

Well, I guess I made my point. That's all for now. Surely I am ready to light you up if I wasn't that clear.

 

[the_gunslinger]

run like the fvicking wind my friend, run like hell. all femenists are man hating lesbians and innate **** blockers, if they admit to being into femenist rights, just ask them why the hell its ok for women to hit men but not the other way around? also, if their:

a: a pacafist hippy type or
B: a bra burning type,

cover them in supergule and stick a sign to them so we can avoid them

cheers

 

[Olympian]

I agree with some of what Mr.Casual guy said. I respect his conservative nature, because we don't enough of that with all the changes happening to the dating scene - feminists etc.

some conservative principles are necessary to make it clear that you are the man of the relationship. for example, important decisions are to be made by the man, because that is one of his roles. that is one quality a man is attractive for - he is not attractive (in a real relationship) because of his beauty, like the woman.

BUT - i think you (mr.casual) are not being flexible enough with your requirements for breaking up with a woman. perhaps u even lose some actually decent women because of it.

in my experience, a lot of women don't cling to their beliefs like men do. they are not so rigid. it could be because they have less pride (are less afraid to look like being influenced by someone) or maybe their just weaker in this respect - whatever, but it's still true.

that means they are malleable, they can be 'pursuaded' to change their ways.

for example, u don't have to break up with a woman because she complains when u open the door for her. that's a pretty stupid reason to dump someone for immediately if u haven't tried to change that in them.

there are many ways to do this - from talking to them about it to more sublte ways, like if she makes a comment about u holding the door open for her, then u can tell her next time u expect her to open the door for u - using humour. that's just example.

the conservative principle of being the man in the relationship is important with this, cuz she won't be convinced if she feels u're not taking real charge.

anyway, i'm just saying u guys are a little too sensitive about 'feminists'
of course, there are some real hardcore feminist b.itches out there, who won't shift s.hit for u - and them u have to get rid of.

but a lot of these girls/women just read a few articles and think, 'hey, i'm gonna be a feminist today, whatever that is' - they don't really mean it and using subtelty/humour and taking charge, u can change them. if she doesn't seem too serious about it, then u don't have to be either.

 

[El Perro]

Quote by Pedro...

But the main problem is that most of the women only want equal rights for stuff they take advantage off. They think they have the right to choose first most of the times, of the guy pay them dinners and so on, just because they're women and we're men. This is totally unacceptable. Just because I was born a man does it mean that I have to bow before women and have less rights ? Come on....If we are really equal, that must mean we are equal for what's good and for what's bad.

DAMN!!! Pedro hit the nail on the head with that one!!!

The problem I've found with modern "Feminism" is that the only equality they are seeking is that of the opportunistic variety; they want the same benefits we men enjoy, but God forbid we should hold them to the same standards!

Isn't it enough that the dating/mating game is already slanted in their favor

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That chick you're obssessing over already HAS a p*ssy... she doesn't need another one, so be a man!



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[affirmed]

I doubt many of these "feminists" would like to be drafted to the front line should, god forbid, a war break out, either.

 

[Olympian]

DAMN!!! Pedro hit the nail on the head with that one!!!

The problem I've found with modern "Feminism" is that the only equality they are seeking is that of the opportunistic variety; they want the same benefits we men enjoy, but God forbid we should hold them to the same standards!

Isn't it enough that the dating/mating game is already slanted in their favor

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I agree, they are opportunists.

but i think the dating game is slanted in our favour man. all they can do is sit there looking attractive waiting for some guy to approach, 99% of the time, not the guy they want. we can approach anyone we want and using DJ technique, we can seduce effectively.

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