When Rape and other Sexual Offenses Become Men's Issues

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This is a rough essay I wrote for some political science thing at my college to stir things up sometime in 2009. I would think it would have some application here, if nothing else, to give you all something to think (and perhaps argue) about. If you would like my citations, let me know, but I will probably refer you to Google or EBSCO (if you have access to it) because it's likely I won't be able to find them anymore.

It begins....

I've got something new for everyone to get upset about:

I've been out of the study of political science for quite a while now, but I don't think I will ever be able to completely tell it "goodbye". I think I'm so attracted to political science, politics, and criminal justice because even though I get really frustrated with people sometimes, there are a lot of really bad things that happen to people that aren't their fault, and they need help fixing their lives. The United State's criminal justice system can and should be used for good, but it can also be used for bad. In our very litigious society, lawsuits have almost become a new form of gambling that offer huge potential rates of return to anyone claiming to be a "victim". Our courts have tremendous power to take away our rights and property, and sometimes (perhaps even often), they take from people who have done nothing wrong.

Prosecutions of rape and sexual assault are great examples of the court's ability to do this. Society has traditionally viewed these two crimes as woman's issues, and I believe strictly as a crime they are because over 90% of sexually related crimes are committed by men against women. However, because of the nature of rape and sexual misconduct accusations, they are difficult to prove and result in a large number of men being convicted for serious crimes they never committed. If men are being convicted of crimes they have not actually perpetrated en mass, that qualifies the administration of sexual misconduct/rape cases as a men's issue.

I realize sexual misconduct is a terrible thing for any woman to endure and that successfully prosecuting a something like this might be as bad or worse than the actual offense [what BS, I was more of an AFC then than I thought. Though I might also have been tempering my language since this was for a school paper article]. In order for a woman to prosecute a case of sexual misconduct, she has to relive the offense multiple times over and deal with a defense attorney's accusations of her being anything from a liar to a slut. I can't imagine dealing with something like that.

Something people don't realize though is that as many as half of all sexual misconduct accusations are untrue. The 1996 FBI Uniform Crime Report says that about 10% of prosecutions of forcible rapes are against innocent people. Journalist **** Haws wrote a literature review on the percentage of rape allegations against innocent people and found that as many as 50% of rape allegations are untrue. Dr. Eugene J. Kanin of Purdue University conducted a study on the same issue and found that 45% of sexual misconducted accusations are untrue. When men are by several orders of magnitude more likely than women to be accused and prosecuted for committing sexual misconduct and it turns out that in nearly half of all cases are actually innocent, there is a serious problem. If the group men was replaced with the group African Americans or women, society would view the problem as racist or sexist. Currently, few people are even aware that it is a problem.

Why are women doing something so terrible? When you really take time to think about this issue, it's absolutely horrible! A sexual misconduct accusation alone can put a man's life, freedom, and future in total jeopardy. It can damage his relationship with his wife and family, hurt his career, influence future job opportunities, cause terrible emotional psychological damage and so much more. If such a case is successfully prosecuted, it can do infinitely more damage to the man because the accusations turn in to “facts” which in turn lead to real repercussions that can last a lifetime – all because of something the man did not do. Why in the world would a woman choose to do something like this? Dr. Kanin offered three possible explanations:

1. To provide women an alibi. For example, the Dr. Kanin made note of a woman who got in a bar fight and sustained several injuries to herself. She was involved in a custody battle for her children and feared admitting to a bar fight would negatively influence the case. She claimed she was raped in order to explain her injuries.

2. To provide women a mechanism of revenge. Women enter in to consensual sexual relationships with men who are not committed to long term relationships or who are strangers and become angry when the relationship ends. According to Dr. Kanin, women will sometimes use an accusation of rape to extract revenge when they are hurt in a relationship.

3. To provide women a platform of sympathy and support. Dr. Kanin described a woman who was attracted to her therapist and in order to gain his sympathy, lied saying that she was raped. He subsequently pressured her to initiated a criminal investigation against the innocent man, which she did. Dr. Kanin also notes that colleges and universities may be more prone to accusations of this nature because of their unique "structural variables" that may not be extrapolatable to other populations.


These reasons make a lot of sense and fit well with the image of Potiphar's wife people often conjure up when considering false accusations of sexual misconduct. Anyone willing to potentially destroy another person's life for any reasons, but especially reasons as immature and irresponsible as attempting to cover for a mistake, because of sexually related buyer’s remorse [notice, a PUA term!!!!!], or because they want sympathy is a terrible person. They should be punished with the same degree of severity they were attempting to levy against whomever they were prosecuting. [A point I didn’t pursue because I didn’t want to be too controversial – given statistics mentioned… that potentially greater than half of all “sexual offenders” never actually did anything wrong…. What does that say about the size of the population of women that represents pure evil? Think about how many women would have to be making such egregious lies in order for those statistics to exist. Also consider that both social scientists indicated that the numbers they generated were probably significantly less than the actual numbers, because no person, particularly a woman, is going to want to be honest enough with herself to admit that she did something so terrible]

I grew up believing that in the United States, we have a great legal system and people are innocent until proven guilty [as a degreed political scientist, I do not believe this anymore]. Most of the times they are, but there are some cases (like allegations of sexual misconduct and inherently racist or sexist legal policies) where they aren't. This is very serious because it undermines the entire notion of a system of "justice".

Cases of sexual misconduct are naturally prone to difficulty because they are difficult to prove. When a case like this goes to trial, the only evidence a judge and jury usually has to consider is the woman's word versus the man's. Trials often turn in to a battle to see which party can besmirch the other's character most effectively. Unless a woman becomes pregnant from the assault and carries the child to term, "hard" evidence is almost impossible to obtain. Men usually perpetrate sexual misconduct in private and unless they are interrupted by a third party, there are usually no eye witnesses. DNA testing is impossible if the man doesn't get any semen or genetically identifiable body fluids on or in the woman, and even if he does, there is only a limited window of time where DNA testing is possible. If a woman doesn't get to a clinic or hospital immediately after the misconduct, it is unlikely that a DNA test will provide any help to her case [People don’t realize how short the time window is if a woman wants a scientifically accurate result. It’s so short, it’s almost unrealistic. And let’s not even get in to the details of the reliability of DNA testing.]

These realities give our justice system a very difficult problem: When sexual misconduct represents an extremely serious offense deserving of legitimate punishment, how should it be administered when the greatest source of evidence for victims to use in prosecution cases is hearsay? The justice system is undermining the notions of justice when it allows guilty people to go unpunished, but it also undermines the notions of justice when it punishes innocent people. So what should it do?

Unless there is legitimate hard evidence that a person actually committed sexual misconduct, I don't think the justice department has any business pursuing a criminal case. I think sending someone to jail and ruining their life over something they didn't do is much worse than allowing someone to remain free who did something wrong. Both are very bad and very serious, but I believe I have chosen the lesser of two evils. What would happen if we prosecuted cases like theft and murder on the basis of extenuating circumstances, character, and hearsay? We would all be justified in saying that are justice system was doing just about everything but applying justice.
 
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This is just something to think about. The consequences from a sexual misconduct accusation are a lot more serious than those from someone being accused of stealing a piece of gum from the supermarket. When so many accusations turn out in the end to nothing to lies - regardless of whether the man lost his marriage, family, job, or liberty - we have to consider whether the way we administer sexual misconduct laws is accomplishing more than its damaging. Based on my experience as a legal and political science student and scholar, I think it's doing more damage.

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This should give you all something to think about. Criticize my general points if you want, but keep in mind that I wrote this in one sitting, in less than 45 minutes 2 years ago. It wasn't meant to be a college paper, it was for the newspaper.

This also isn't meant to be a woman bashing thread. Consider however what the appropriate reaction should be when you find a group of people en mass participating in unacceptable behavior. If it's really true, shouldn't they be bashed? I think so. Man up and take a stand for something. And don't be afraid to tell people that you're fed up with bad behavior and expect a higher level of personal regard.

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The punishment for making false accusations should be much more severe. Anyone who falsely accuses someone of rape should at least be charged with attempted murder.
 

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Kerpal said:
The punishment for making false accusations should be much more severe. Anyone who falsely accuses someone of rape should at least be charged with attempted murder.
On a moral level I agree.

However, reality dictates the nature of 'false accusation' as a function of the court system instead of an absolute guilt or innocence.

Even if a woman was raped, in many instances I'm sure she could not prove beyond reasonable doubt that the man in question did indeed 'rape' her.

Say she was raped, and took it to court. If she could not prove her case to the jury for whatever reason, should she in turn be charged with attempted murder?

I'm not quite the same as you.

I believe if a woman premeditates and then proceeds to falsly accuse me of rape (the "he clubbed me over the head and dragged me into an alley" kind), I would appreciate her being walked into a ditch and summarily executed by firing squad.

However, that is an absolute of moral integrity and I am a very black and white person.

In our realistic court setting, how often does the morally correct party win? 70%? 90%? 95%?

If a woman was raped but she cannot prove to a jury that she was raped, I do not believe she should be counter-charged with attempted murder or any crime for that matter.

It may all come back to the 'Not Guilty vs. Innocent' paradigm. A man may be seen as Not Guilty by the jury, even if he is not innocent. That important distinction renders moral absolutes as ineffective.

One would have to be omniscient in order to correctly pass that kind of judgement.
 

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Quiksilver said:
On a moral level I agree.

However, reality dictates the nature of 'false accusation' as a function of the court system instead of an absolute guilt or innocence.

Even if a woman was raped, in many instances I'm sure she could not prove beyond reasonable doubt that the man in question did indeed 'rape' her.

Say she was raped, and took it to court. If she could not prove her case to the jury for whatever reason, should she in turn be charged with attempted murder?

I'm not quite the same as you.

I believe if a woman premeditates and then proceeds to falsly accuse me of rape (the "he clubbed me over the head and dragged me into an alley" kind), I would appreciate her being walked into a ditch and summarily executed by firing squad.

However, that is an absolute of moral integrity and I am a very black and white person.

In our realistic court setting, how often does the morally correct party win? 70%? 90%? 95%?

If a woman was raped but she cannot prove to a jury that she was raped, I do not believe she should be counter-charged with attempted murder or any crime for that matter.

It may all come back to the 'Not Guilty vs. Innocent' paradigm. A man may be seen as Not Guilty by the jury, even if he is not innocent. That important distinction renders moral absolutes as ineffective.

One would have to be omniscient in order to correctly pass that kind of judgement.
Which is why I am of the mindset that it is much worse to punish an innocent person than it is to not punish a guilty person. There are 2 big problems with any type of sexual misconduct allegation: They are extremely difficult to prove without an eye witness and if they are in fact true, they can severely screw a woman up.

I personally know 2 men who have been convicted of sexual misconduct (1 rape, 1 gross sexual imposition) and I'm sure they were innocent. One was eventually acquitted of all charges after spending 8 months in jail and another never was. Of all the lessons I learned from my law professors, the 3 most important are as follows:

1. Never talk to cops (or any other member of the "justice department" unless it's your defense attorney). Refuse to answer any questions without having previously met with council and having council present.

2. Never use a girl's condom. Provide your own. You have no way of knowing whether the structural integrity of someone else's condom has been compromised (ie, she punched a hole through it with a pin because she's a nut and wants a kid or she knows you're either a professional or in grad school to be a professional and wants ties to you) or has expired.

3. A lot of innocent guys are legally considered sexual offenders because girls lie.

Believe it or not, a lot of my professors said made statement number 3 repeatedly in a state funded major public university. Most of these men were former attorneys or active attorneys and taught on the side and said they saw a huge number (more than 50%) of men they were convinced were innocent end of with a sexual offense charge simply because a girl said he did something he didn't.

Those who have never had any experience dealing with the courts have no idea how valuable of an ally a good attorney is. This world and our "justice" system are both pretty fvcked up.

I spoke with an attorney friend of mine the other day about this very issue because one of his friends was waiting for the jury to come back and decide whether or not he raped some girl. He was certain he was innocent.

I don't think that judgment should be delivered in every sexual misconduct case #ala, the man gets convicted or the girl gets convicted for lying#. What I do believe though is that no one should get convicted in the absence of absolute PROOF. If you can't prove the girl was lying (you wouldn't believe the sh1t they write in their journal. If you ever get in one of these situations, subpoena her journal. A brutal cross examination of her, her friends, and her parents can also be very useful... but this doesn't work unless you or your attorney are capable of being absolutely heartless and should not be done unless you're pretty sure the man is innocent... I don't think it's very nice to subject all those people to the gruel of a brutal cross examination if you're simply trying to get her to relent and say it didn't really happen) then nothing happens.

Essentially, I don't think that if our system were actually administering real justice, it would be possible to successfully prosecute very many of these cases. How can you adjudicate a case based on buyer's remorse or another similar phenomenon?
 

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Rubato said:
1. Never talk to cops (or any other member of the "justice department" unless it's your defense attorney). Refuse to answer any questions without having previously met with council and having council present.
^ Here is a great piece of advice for everyone.

Why shouldn't you talk to cops?

The nature of the justice system.

You are already innocent until proven guilty. The only thing that the justice system (state or crown, prosecutor) tries to do is prove guilt. Police are an extension of the state/crown/prosecutor.

If you are already assumed innocent, then there is literally no reason to explain anything to the police.

The police will record what you say, and then the prosecuting attorneys will try to find evidence of guilt in what you say. No one will be trying to find evidence of innocence in your words. Even the defense attorney will only be looking to pick holes in the prosecutors case, they do not try to plead innocence or prove innocence.

If you think you might be charged with anything for any reason, don't talk to cops.

I have a few friends who are cops at my local pistol club and we are friendly and chat about stuff, but the difference is they are not in uniform and I am not being investigated/arrested for anything.

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eg. Some arsehole breaks down your door at 2AM and is armed with a baseball bat and wearing gloves and a balaclava. You come out of your room and put three rounds into the arsehole and he then assumes room temperature. You call emergency services then render first aid. The cops come. What do you do? Start talking? NO! Keep your gob shut. You are presumed innocent unless they can find reasonable evidence of guilt. If you speak, you're just providing more potential ammunition for their case. You might say something wrong and the prosecutor will spin your head around and convince the jury that you lied, etc.

Keep your trap shut and let your lawyer do the talking.

(On another note, if armed and dangerous arsehole kicks in your door at 2AM, remember this: dead guys dont file civil suits. If you fear for your life, shoot to kill).
 
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