When Guys Say "Let's Take It Outside".

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They say if you disrespect an Alpha Male he will usually get in your face and you will usually back down. For that reason whenever someone says "Let's take it outside" it always seems like a copout to me. Shouldn't their sheer size and aggressiveness be enough to scare you without their having to throw a (however illegal, indoor) punch? As far as I'm concerned, whoever suggests relocation has lost the fight, or at least backed down.
 

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bigneil said:
They say if you disrespect an Alpha Male he will usually get in your face and you will usually back down. For that reason whenever someone says "Let's take it outside" it always seems like a copout to me. Shouldn't their sheer size and aggressiveness be enough to scare you without their having to throw a (however illegal, indoor) punch? As far as I'm concerned, whoever suggests relocation has lost the fight, or at least backed down.
Those who even think to throw a punch have already lost the fight, they are unnerved to the point where they cannot think clearly anymore.
 

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I'm pretty sure you have to think to throw a punch during a fight. It's called self defense.
 

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I remember a guy said that to me on my job, I went outside and he b*tch'd up, my boss was holding me back and he was there standing like a nervous little girl, when I went back inside, he followed me apologizing.
 

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If someone let's a stranger or even a friend make them that angry that easily that they want to fight them in the first place when it's not self defense then they are not alpha at all....

There is nothing wrong with not wanting to fight an idiot that can't control his emotions...however, if he attacks you and you have no choice, then that is a different story....fighting should only be for last resort self defense...period...if you are quick to fight with anyone than that means you are way too easily threatened and/or feel the need to prove something....

And yes when someone says let's taking it outside, they are usually bluffing...not always however....but like i said...it's retarded in the first place unless it's pure self defense...and taking it outside isn't self defense...
 

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"Let's take it outside":box:

*headbutt to the bridge of the nose*:eek:

"Nah, I'm cool, I'm staying in":rockon:
 

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"Let's take it outside!"

*pat him on the head and turn away*

Then if he tries any funny stuff to your back, let him have it inside.
 

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I used to get into fights frequently. Stupid random bar shenanigans i usually let slide. It ruins you entire night and complicates things with friends. A few weeks ago, this really obnoxious co worker from my old team (i left before he joined), was talking to my close co worker from the my previous team. She is a manager of 4 people from the team and really nice but not his direct manager. This guy is talking sh1t all night and disrespects her and yells at her while were drinking. I come at the guy and he tries to deflect with what he thinks are comments i don't understand.

I call him out saying "Atleast i have the balls to tell someone directly to their face i don't like them without have turn my face to the side and blow **** into the air." He briefly looked at me and at a table with everyone at it, including my old big boss who's name is on the company website, i said "Yes, you. i'll tell you i don't like you to your face and i have no problem with it."

The guy then proceeds to touch me and tell me to calm down. Everyone knows i'm mad and everyone dislikes this guy and understands. He makes sly comments and disrespects his manager and my previous bosses in a way they can't say anything back. No one stopped me and they all just watched while i *****ed this guy out.

He kept telling me to "chill, chill." I told him "I am chill, but if you want, we can work this out outside. Come on, lets go." I grabbed him by the shoulders and proceeded to take him outside with me (i never had the intention of fighting him, just talking and scaring him). He kept trying to run away, until we made it outside and he apologized for everything he said and that he's not good with words. He would watch what he says in the future.

I have anger issues so it may be a cop out, who knows. All i know is, when someone tries to bully me or anyone i'm close to, i know i need to take a stand. You face bullies head on or they walk all over you. I haven't won all my fights (physically), but i've never had a bully every try that sh1t with me again. THey know, if they tried that sh1t again, they'll have to take it outside and win or lose someone's getting hurt.

That guy has shut up and shaped up ever since and i did not get in trouble as i didn't lay a hand on him.
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Also, you never want to be the guy that has "Let's take it outside." said to you IMO. It just means you're bad at diffusing the situation/can't walk away. If someone's being an idiot, just walk away or go to a different area. If they don't leave you alone, your friends will probably tell him to back off and his friends will most likely notice he's being an idiot. You also have no obligation to go outside with them anyway. If a drunk idiot tells me to take it outside with him because he bumped into me and spilled my beer, i would say "No thanks." go back to the bartender and get myself a new beer and head back to my friends.

Outside of a bar if a random stranger tells you to take it outside, you've probably pissed him off and it's probably you're fault to a certain extent.
 

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AAAgent said:
I used to get into fights frequently. Stupid random bar shenanigans i usually let slide. It ruins you entire night and complicates things with friends. A few weeks ago, this really obnoxious co worker from my old team (i left before he joined), was talking to my close co worker from the my previous team. She is a manager of 4 people from the team and really nice but not his direct manager. This guy is talking sh1t all night and disrespects her and yells at her while were drinking. I come at the guy and he tries to deflect with what he thinks are comments i don't understand.

I call him out saying "Atleast i have the balls to tell someone directly to their face i don't like them without have turn my face to the side and blow **** into the air." He briefly looked at me and at a table with everyone at it, including my old big boss who's name is on the company website, i said "Yes, you. i'll tell you i don't like you to your face and i have no problem with it."

The guy then proceeds to touch me and tell me to calm down. Everyone knows i'm mad and everyone dislikes this guy and understands. He makes sly comments and disrespects his manager and my previous bosses in a way they can't say anything back. No one stopped me and they all just watched while i *****ed this guy out.

He kept telling me to "chill, chill." I told him "I am chill, but if you want, we can work this out outside. Come on, lets go." I grabbed him by the shoulders and proceeded to take him outside with me (i never had the intention of fighting him, just talking and scaring him). He kept trying to run away, until we made it outside and he apologized for everything he said and that he's not good with words. He would watch what he says in the future.

I have anger issues so it may be a cop out, who knows. All i know is, when someone tries to bully me or anyone i'm close to, i know i need to take a stand. You face bullies head on or they walk all over you. I haven't won all my fights (physically), but i've never had a bully every try that sh1t with me again. THey know, if they tried that sh1t again, they'll have to take it outside and win or lose someone's getting hurt.

That guy has shut up and shaped up ever since and i did not get in trouble as i didn't lay a hand on him.
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Also, you never want to be the guy that has "Let's take it outside." said to you IMO. It just means you're bad at diffusing the situation/can't walk away. If someone's being an idiot, just walk away or go to a different area. If they don't leave you alone, your friends will probably tell him to back off and his friends will most likely notice he's being an idiot. You also have no obligation to go outside with them anyway. If a drunk idiot tells me to take it outside with him because he bumped into me and spilled my beer, i would say "No thanks." go back to the bartender and get myself a new beer and head back to my friends.

Outside of a bar if a random stranger tells you to take it outside, you've probably pissed him off and it's probably you're fault to a certain extent.
Not sure if legit, keyboard warrior or white knight :confused:

Anyway reading at you, you seem to be the exact guy who gets his pants hot and ignite fights. like the ones op is talking about.

The last thing we need in this world are guys with anger management problems who think they are entitled to solve random problems with threats and violence or worse yet they think they have the moral duty to do so.

Just my opinion no intention to bash you personally.

Regarding the thread about 90% of the fights breaking out in clubs are driven from ego not real problems, either ignited from some girls looking for mindfvcking guys or guys pissed off already looking for a fix.
 

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I don't go looking for fights, but if one comes up, I don't back down. Normally it ends in nothing happening, you get pulled away by friends, they walk away after a little bit of pushing.

Other times I do just laugh it off. One time I was queuing at the bar with some friends and one of the girls kept squeezing the guy in front's butt. Eventually he got fed up and turned around, I was the nearest to him so he pulled me in real close, and said 'Stop touching my arse you ****ing queer, if you do it again I'll take you outside and I'll knock you the **** out'. I laughed told him it wasn't me and turned back to my friends. One of the girls did it again, the guy turned around real angry, I smiled, pointed to my friends and I, shrugged my shoulders and again told him it wasn't me. He did that humph sound turned back to the bar, got his drink and left without saying another word. A lot of people have the common sense not to do anything.

In my experience the ones that do generally want to fight, are the ones you should avoid, unless of course they are off their face drunk, then you can just laugh.

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@bigneil

Physical fighting is for poor people and the lower classes

the wealthy and rich have too much to lose....and find no satisfaction in interacting with the lumpen masses

consider who you want to be and act accordingly

its nothing to walk away from a bozo in an *Affliction* shirt when you are wearing sea island cotton and drive an M5
 

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Who Dares Win said:
Not sure if legit, keyboard warrior or white knight :confused:

Anyway reading at you, you seem to be the exact guy who gets his pants hot and ignite fights. like the ones op is talking about.

The last thing we need in this world are guys with anger management problems who think they are entitled to solve random problems with threats and violence or worse yet they think they have the moral duty to do so.

Just my opinion no intention to bash you personally.

Regarding the thread about 90% of the fights breaking out in clubs are driven from ego not real problems, either ignited from some girls looking for mindfvcking guys or guys pissed off already looking for a fix.

I actually do have anger issues and get into fights alot (used to) but i work hard to not let that happen as i understand fighting is a last resort. The guy i mentioned is just a **** and has in the past made snide remarks/disrespected me and many other people. THe Managing Director of my New York office has called him out. He just caught me at the perfect time, drinking and at a bar. I knew i wasn't going to do anything but since we drink alot as a company, the company is willing to overlook certain things through drinking (talking sh1t, etc.). I saw it as a way to put this guy in his place. I'm either really nice or really mean. Sometimes people like to walk over because they think i'm nice and look nice, which puts me into an awkward situation with people who try to take advantage of that.

I also don't see how this is being a white knight when i was standing up for myself and my friend at the same time. We were sitting next to each other and i told the guy to watch his words and he was being disrespectful. He ignored and came at me trying to smack talk in a round about way. I don't go out randomly stopping fights or instigating them but i definitely don't consider myself a pushover.

From my experience, over 95% of the people you directly call out will back down. Assuming that you believe or the aggressor believes they have the upperhand, either through fear or shear size. I also always analyze the guys crazy level before taking it up a notch. I try to gauge how likely this is to pull a weapon on me (gun, knife, jump me with his friends).

Coming from a guy that some people have called a bully, though i've never fought anyone smaller unless they instigated (plus i don't consider myself one), the reason why guys who are bigger and already intimidating want to fight you is because they are bad solving issues through words and hate losing unless they've put up a fight or just hate losing. They resort to the best way they know how to solve problems, their fists.
 

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I was just reminiscing about my bar fights with a buddy of mine. It's funny, when you get older you look back on that stuff with fond memories.

But back in my day you didn't really worry about knives, guns and such. Fists and the occasional bar stool were the rule of law. Good times...
 

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To clarify my example from yesterday:

My ex-roommate and I had a falling out after he randomly brought a cigarette-smoking girl to live with us. When I complained he said I "crossed the line" and he forced me to move out on 2 days notice - in NYC, costing me about $1000 per week since I now need a hotel or to find a new place. I could have sued him by law because he was supposed to provide 30 days written notice, but I just texted and told him off (he was conveniently absent for my move out). He never replied.

Anyhow, he's an ex hockey player who thinks he's a tough guy and he came into the bar and sat on the far end opposite me.

I sarcastically raised my glass in a toast. He pointed to me and told the bartender "Tell that guy I said to f*ck off".

So I immediately walked down to his end of the bar and said "Do you want to tell me that directly?"

He said "Get the f*ck out of here".

I said "What the f*ck are YOU going to do about it? Are you going to show me that upper body strength that you bragged was the reason you've never had back pain? Show me that upper body strength!"

He said "Do you want to take it outside?"

I said "YES!" and I put my drink down and he stood up.

Note that there is no self-defense argument if you "go outside" so that's bunk. So we squared up right there at the bar - two Irish guys on St. Patrick's Day - in boxing position with fists clenched (with Fight Night on ESPN playing on the TV).

He's a big guy, about 6'0" 210 - but I'm 6'5" 220 and my arms are so long that when people swing at me I react by hitting them before they reach. I liked my odds.

Anyhow my dad always taught me "Never throw the first punch, but always LAND the first punch". So I wasn't going to hit him first. Plus there was an undercover cop (who is his friend) sitting right there at the bar watching. I really didn't want to hurt him but I refuse to let people disrespect me like that, especially after he screwed me out of so much money. We just stood there for a minute staring each other down.

Then the bartender (friends of us both) came over and broke it up and my ex roommate sat right back down. I remained standing in my "Who wants a shot at the title?" pose and finished my drink over the next 20 minutes and left.

So no punches were thrown but I doubt he'll ever disrespect me to my face again.
 

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your first post definitely didn't make me think the story would turn out that way. Plus you were the aggressor/instigator, the stats look pretty even to me so i'm not sure who the first post was classifying as the Alpha.
 

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Burroughs said:
@bigneil

Physical fighting is for poor people and the lower classes

the wealthy and rich have too much to lose....and find no satisfaction in interacting with the lumpen masses

consider who you want to be and act accordingly

its nothing to walk away from a bozo in an *Affliction* shirt when you are wearing sea island cotton and drive an M5
good luck walking away with size 13s bouncing your head against the curb.


your first post definitely didn't make me think the story would turn out that way. Plus you were the aggressor/instigator, the stats look pretty even to me so i'm not sure who the first post was classifying as the Alpha.

Instigating shyte just because you cant handle a few drinks on St. Paddys day?

Yeah, thats so ALPHA:rolleyes:

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Learn to handle your drink before you take offers to go outside.

FYI I'm 6"4' and 200, wanna go outside?
 

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"Let's Take It Outside", is a cop-out. It shows hesitation, and makes me think the aggressor isn't really serious about fighting.

TBH, I've only really been in one REAL fight, but I've had many "close calls". You can definitely tell the difference between the two. There's a look in a man's eyes, or rather, something you can just "sense" when someone is about to attack you. I've starred down people twice my size just by looking them in the eye and showing no fear. I'd say the next time someone says this to you just stare them in the eye and don't break contact, and don't say anything. Don't force a crazy look, just keep it serious, focused, and show no fear. This will freak many people out. There's always the small chance you might get sucker punched, but I don't think it's that hard to get a good read on someone. Sometimes you just know they're spitting hot air and not gonna do sh!t.

If you do find yourself in a fight.. try and keep it on the ground if you're a big guy and use it to your advantage. Stay on top of them and hold them down. If you're little, try and be quick. Jab the throat, bust the knee caps, gauge the eyes etc.. Most fights last less than a minute.. they're fast and get separated quickly. Most of the time both fighters walk away with mild cuts and bruises, which the won't even feel until hours later because of adrenaline. So is it really worth getting arrested for? Your decision.

-Scars
 

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Update: tonight I went to another bar and asked the bartender if she had seen my old roommate. She said "He's right there" and he was 2 seats down from me. So I said "Hey assh*le" and we both laughed. We shook hands and hugged and put it behind us.

The best way to defeat your enemy is to make him your friend.
 

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Purefilth said:
good luck walking away with size 13s bouncing your head against the curb.


your first post definitely didn't make me think the story would turn out that way. Plus you were the aggressor/instigator, the stats look pretty even to me so i'm not sure who the first post was classifying as the Alpha.

Instigating shyte just because you cant handle a few drinks on St. Paddys day?

Yeah, thats so ALPHA:rolleyes:

@bigniel
Learn to handle your drink before you take offers to go outside.

FYI I'm 6"4' and 200, wanna go outside?
I had one drink, but thanks for admitting you're not as big as me. Suck my **** Purefilth.
 
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