What's the step after "sarging?"

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Hi all, this is my 1st post. I've been reading these forums for awhile now, and been thinking of what I need to improve on.

Let me tell you all a little about myself. I've always been shy back in high school and 3rd year of college, which procrastinated my learning of the game to my early 20's. Afterwards I find myself constantly thinking of new ways to get girls. I was pretty much self taught, and read only the Double Your Dating ebook. I am pretty confident in any initial conversation or first impression to a girl, but what I find lacking is what comes afterwards.

For the past year, before having a little break from dating, I've been practicing on whatever girls I can find, be it school, malls, fast food lines. I can pretty much talk to anyone, anywhere, and strike a conversation to land a phone number (phone number success is probably 80-85%). My main problem is that after I get the number, I have some kind of fear of talking on the phone with a girl of interest, since I find it hard to talk to them if they can't see my facial expressions. I also can't maintain either the girl's interest, or my own interest, for a longer period of time.

If I go to a club or whatever and sarge a girl, I can probably maintain a good conversation for 5-10 minutes before I find myself running out of ideas and forced to get my ass out of there. One way is good that I can lead the girl into thinking that I'm hard to get. But then when I run into her again it's difficult for me to strike a new convo with the same intensity.

What's a way to improve my game. Any recommendations of books, training exercises, etc will be greatly appreciated.
 

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i've heard that talking to your sister or a female friend over the phone can be helpful, but I haven't really tried it

Maybe you should try picking up girls based on more solid connections than just randomly meeting them somewhere / liking the way they look. Imo, cold approaches are overrated on this forum.

It sounds like you should try to set up very informal dates (coffee, etc) and maybe try to do something with them right when you meet them. I forget which author said it, but asking for a number is supposed to be a last resort. Ideally, you should see about hanging out with them right away


not sure how well that answered you question. Your post seems a little vague.
 

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All I can say to learn phone game is just keep getting numbers and keep calling these girls...

Eventually, you'll get over it.

Then when you get stuck on the next step, that's what you'll have to do again, and so on, untill you've got this handled.
 

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