What's the point then?

[Fruitbat]

Greetings DJ's,

Reading and stalking this forum for a good while now I am back in the game following the end of a LTR.

I have read a good deal of comments about women all going for the top 10% and I find this absolutely true. In most of my social groups, the girls will make a bee-line for the most attractive or richest guy, and would usually prefer to cycle through this guy (or guys) than go with the AFCs around him, unless it's useful to them to use the AFC for jealousy or self esteem purposes.

Obviously this doesn't apply to fat ugly women, but all women who are doable follow this pattern.

So, not that I don't believe in myself, but the cold, hard facts are I am not in the top 10% of looks, probably not even top 25%. Income wise probably in the top half, intelligence and charm probably top quarter....but I still have always found it difficult. I have found the looks one the most important, most girls put up with less in the other areas if a guy is good looking. Confidence, blah, I have plenty of that, never have an issue going for it and believing in it, but despite my believing that the girl isn't worthy of me, she doesn't believe it and I think this is more a reflection of the 10%ers, because it works for them. The truth is if you are a 10%er with no confidence, yes, it turns women off. But, a being a 90%er with confidence is just better than being a 90%er without confidence.....you will never win and get above your level with confidence alone.

Firstly, can I just say what a load of bull it is for girls to say how they have it so hard when most of us are born into a game we cannot win, and have to suffer lifelong knocks to the self esteem, while knowing deep down many of us are worth far,far more than some of the top 10% who by genetic fortune or parental luck got given all they need.

Secondly, also can I add the torture that many women are still happy to entertain attention from the 90%, giving false hope while leeching them dry of their emotions, money and time - I have had this just done to me and I sincerely hope they burn in hell for it, just one of the female crimes against humanity which destroys people but is socially acceptable for some reason. Honestly guys, would you rather be mugged of your wallet or have your heart minced up by a chick for her amusement?

Thirdly, what is honestly the point even trying when even if you strike lucky with a good looking girl, she will be spreading them for the next 10%er who comes along? This flies in the face of everything on this forum, and although I will always keep trying to find a woman worthy of me, I can't help feeling that this is an unwinnable war.

Yours,

A freshly ****teased and tormented bitter Fruitbat.

 

[BeDJ]

Getting out of an LTR is tough. When I came back to this site, I related it back to my relationship of 4 years. This is the most important thing for you to do; why your GF did the things they do under SS theories. It ALL will make sense.

This information is very very different than with your LTR, it's common for you to be jaded. I went through the same phase. The land of unicorns and rainbows no longer exist. You see the truth for what it is. Be grateful you came across this site and not getting faggoty advice.

Understand. Embrace. Apply.

 

[Fruitbat]

Getting out of an LTR is tough. When I came back to this site, I related it back to my relationship of 4 years. This is the most important thing for you to do; why your GF did the things they do under SS theories. It ALL will make sense.

This information is very very different than with your LTR, it's common for you to be jaded. I went through the same phase. The land of unicorns and rainbows no longer exist. You see the truth for what it is. Be grateful you came across this site and not getting faggoty advice.

Understand. Embrace. Apply.

true, but to clarify - I dumped my LTR - she wants me back! I am in no way interested or pining for her!

There is this other chick who found out I had recently ended my ltr and started flirting with me despite having a BF, and then turned me down when I asked her out = ****tease for emotional enjoyment. She singled me out as a victim, but still is putting suggestions that she likes me when I am convicned she is just enjoying the mind games and fun of baiting me....she would meet no matter what if she was sincerely interested, BF or no BF. Actions, not words, as many have said, so it's NC from now on.....it just tore me up that she could be so ****ing cruel.

Annoyingly, I had severe oneitus for this new chick through the last year of my LTR which has made it even harder....what were the odds that the oneitus chick was that sort of girl and ready to exploit me for her own enjoyment.

The only good thing is I haven't got pissed off, I haven't poured my heart out. She received little more than a few flirts and a direct ask out before saying no because wont cheat (but I like you), so at least I didn't get pathetic about it and kept my backbone. She sent me a card the other day, WTF is up with that? "I'll turn you down but keep teasing"

I thought it was branch swing but a branch swing would meet up for sure.

Pfft

 

[BeDJ]

I had the same experience. A girl led me on RIGHT after my LTR ended. She said she had feeling for me since high school (8 years.) I met up with her (6 years after) before I got with my GF and we went to an amusement park. She came back in my life somehow, telling me the amusement park was the greatest moment she had in her life. How it was her first and nobody can ever recreate that memory. I thought she was an angel for putting up with my recent breakup. I took her out and we kiss closed. In a few days, she stopped texting and answering her phone.

She got the validation she needed at the time. Her games and moves were for her own selfish reasons; I was disposable. Women see weakness and they will exploit it for their own self interest.

Understand. Embrace. Apply.

 

[Fruitbat]

It's impossible to spot though isn't it? A woman with interest or a woman faking interest - how do you tell?

The wierd thing is she is still txting although flirting less.....I am now concerned that this is a **** test and she is finding out if I will battle to win her from her BF.

The annoying thing is, is it a **** test or is she just getting me to chase so she can reject me again. I decided to concentrate on other women now as I have some plates (but I don't want them anywhere near as bad as this one) - I have asked her once, I guess asking again would be chump behaviour.....or is it a **** test and she'll think I a wimpy fag if I don't keep going?

Do you chase after a no or go aloof to make yourself unavailable? I think perhaps if it is any sort of **** test then the right answer is not to go back for another rejection and keep my self respect....will I chase may be the test? And perhaps chasing is the losing strategy.

 

[Fruitbat]

Seriously, is the continued contact a **** test to see if I will keep going, is it a **** test to see if I am sad enough to chase after rejection, or (most likely) does she just want to keep the attention going? Any advice appreciated.

 

[betheman]

You are the mouse and she is the cat, you are being played! despite women b!tchign about players, the truth is, they are ahead of many men in the game. the men do it do get laid, the women do it for their ego, and boy do those egos need feeding.
you are now a yard dog on a long lead, she just needs to tug it now an dthen, you come running....do you want to continue to play this game? you have a choice

 

[goundra]

If your thirld worlder bride has not been here >5 years (minimum to become a US citizen) and you dump her. back she goes to the hellhole that she came from. After getting a taste of US life, she does NOT want that. So go ahead, KEEP fighting over the few US women who are waf. while those of us with some sense score elsewhere.

 

[Purefilth]

Seriously, is the continued contact a **** test to see if I will keep going, is it a **** test to see if I am sad enough to chase after rejection, or (most likely) does she just want to keep the attention going? Any advice appreciated.

After reading through, I'm inclined to give her the stamp of AW (attention Wh0re), and as such i would advise you to drop her out of rotation.
She has her bf, "but won't cheat - but I LIKE YOU"


We judge by Actions here my man, and her failure to accept a meet is the polar opposite of "LIKING" you.

Basically, It doesnt matter if she's running tests or playing games - the end result is the same. Next her and move on to to another couple of chicks.

 

[Fruitbat]

After reading through, I'm inclined to give her the stamp of AW (attention Wh0re), and as such i would advise you to drop her out of rotation.
She has her bf, "but won't cheat - but I LIKE YOU"


We judge by Actions here my man, and her failure to accept a meet is the polar opposite of "LIKING" you.

Basically, It doesnt matter if she's running tests or playing games - the end result is the same. Next her and move on to to another couple of chicks.

True, that is what I will do, but the thing is if she IS seriously considering it then she might not meet as she may think I will get the impression she is a ***** who cheats....i.e. keeping her integrity ensuring I DON'T see her as a cheater.

That said, she would have probably said "OK we can meet but just as friends" or something similar.....I am grasping at straws. Forget then, and at least even if nothing ever happens, I ain't no yard dog and I will have earned her respect if nothing else.

Not that I should give a damn what AW's think anyway, count it as a lucky escape, if she is into flirting with guys behind her BF back, look at what I have missed....

....problem is I find her hotter than hell and I would cut off my arm to bang her, just once....the eternal weakness of Men I guess, and why we can end up getting led around by our **** our whole lives.

 

[Fruitbat]

Just got "why aren't we speaking?"

Go figure.

 

[Fruitbat]

Who did you get that from? The one you dumped? If so, NC

The new one who teased you? Response "who is this?"

teaser, and I can't really say that with an email which has her name in the title!

 

[PlayHer Man]

Most of you men here are over-analyzing the situation. This is exactly what women want you to do. They keep you confused and insecure so they can control the relationship and have the power.

Women are not complex and neither is "the game". Its very EASY to tell a woman with real interest vs. woman with fake interest (aka. Attention wh0re). You just have to be willing to put your ego aside and see things with a clear head. I learned the difference when I was 18. Follow this rule:

REAL Interest = A woman will do things on YOUR terms

- This means she actually cares what you think. She will submit and make herself available. She will fear losing you. She will put you on a pedestal. This is the NATURAL reaction all HUMANS have to "strong interest".

FAKE Interest = She will flirt and be nice.. but everything will be on HER terms.

- This means you will only get her attention when its convenient for her. She will only see you when its convenient for HER. She will make no effort to impress you or seek your approval. At most, she will initiate contact and flirt JUST to keep you on an emotional leash chasing after her like a buffoon.

Its very simple men. When a woman likes you, you'll have POWER over her. You'll have power in the relationship. She will let you lead. Otherwise, she is an AW or slut and should not be taken seriously or invested in. :yes:

 

[Fruitbat]

Most of you men here are over-analyzing the situation. This is exactly what women want you to do. They keep you confused and insecure so they can control the relationship and have the power.

Women are not complex and neither is "the game". Its very EASY to tell a woman with real interest vs. woman with fake interest (aka. Attention wh0re). You just have to be willing to put your ego aside and see things with a clear head. I learned the difference when I was 18. Follow this rule:

REAL Interest = A woman will do things on YOUR terms

- This means she actually cares what you think. She will submit and make herself available. She will fear losing you. She will put you on a pedestal. This is the NATURAL reaction all HUMANS have to "strong interest".

FAKE Interest = She will flirt and be nice.. but everything will be on HER terms.

- This means you will only get her attention when its convenient for her. She will only see you when its convenient for HER. She will make no effort to impress you or seek your approval. At most, she will initiate contact and flirt JUST to keep you on an emotional leash chasing after he like a buffoon.

Its very simple men. When a woman likes you, you'll have POWER over her. You'll have power in the relationship. She will let you lead. Otherwise, she is an AW or slut and should not be taken seriously or invested in. :yes:

Great post.

What I have learned:

- Call flirts out early, if they wont meet on your terms, NEXT!
- The only weapon you have back is the weapon of no attention, ever
- They destroy their own power over you immediately when they don't meet on your terms, because they have shown that they have no respect or interest in you whatsoever by trying to AWing you. If she really liked you, she wouldn't show you that she is an AW.
- It's actually the greatest gift she can give you if you are initially into her, because she has disqualified herself by these actions and you know for sure NOTHING is happening, ever.
- You actually hold the power, because she thinks she has won the battle by getting your interest and attention, but you have eternally cast her into the pool of sluts and AW and she will NEVER get the chance to go back on it, and even if she gets let down by her real interest, the best she will get is a pump and dump, seriously, who would want a AW as a GF?

My only dissapointment is that I am annoyed she saw me as a mark for AWing (massive disrespect). Must work on something to stop that. Perhaps the end of the LTR was her green light to say "this guy will be vulnerable and easy meat".

It's very enjoyable that my revenge consists of sitting on my ass doing nothing but persue other women, while she sits there putting effort into getting my attention....LOOOOL