What kind of things should be taught in high school?

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Hello all,

I am trying an experiment, which I cannot get into right now, but as we all know right now, the current educational system is a joke and does not adequately prepare us for real life.

What are some things that are valuable to the workforce and would be valuable to learn?

Such as social skills, dealing with problems, how to become successful, and etc.

Everyone's help would really be appreciated!

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Numerous self-help books emphasize how important it is to be in control of your own thoughts. Looking back, it astounds me that not one teacher ever mentioned this important idea. I don't recall any teacher explain the importance of confidence and how being sure of yourself will significantly help one to make dreams come true. It would be awesome if high schools added a personal growth and development course in their curriculums.
 

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I personally think high school should be done away with. All of your basic essential skills (reading, writing, basic math, typing, social skills) could be learned in elementary school. I found that high school is just a sampler of the type of things that you would take in college which cover an extremely wide variety of interests.

I will never use most of the crap I learned in high school. I could have got my college degree without going through high school. Everything I needed to know was taught in the required courses in college, with the exception of reading, writing, and basic math.

Those six years in high school were just wasted time that I could have spent doing something more productive. The only use for High School is to babysit your 5hithead teenagers.

If high school was eliminated, and the funding put toward college, tuition fees would be drastically lowered. Lower fees would help educate more people. These educated people would become useful in our society.
 

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Desdinova said:
I personally think high school should be done away with. All of your basic essential skills (reading, writing, basic math, typing, social skills) could be learned in elementary school. I found that high school is just a sampler of the type of things that you would take in college which cover an extremely wide variety of interests.

I will never use most of the crap I learned in high school. I could have got my college degree without going through high school. Everything I needed to know was taught in the required courses in college, with the exception of reading, writing, and basic math.

Those six years in high school were just wasted time that I could have spent doing something more productive. The only use for High School is to babysit your 5hithead teenagers.

If high school was eliminated, and the funding put toward college, tuition fees would be drastically lowered. Lower fees would help educate more people. These educated people would become useful in our society.
I think you and comic relief bring up good points. I tried to graduate high school but failed. On one hand you can play sports and it's very social. On the other I think regular high school doesn't teach people the liberal education they need. I actually belived for a moment that Jews was a religion. Kids would be much better off dropping out at 15 getting their G.E.D at 15 (it took me 6 months). Then going to college with a pell grant. Well, my point is that the most of the kids I went to school with were dumb as a box of rocks.
 

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High School should do more to teach responsibility, a good work ethic, communication, conflict resolution, how to identify what your values are, organizational skills, why NOT to go overboard using credit cards, make the Every 15 Minutes program MANDATORY, more education about addiction...stuff like that.
 

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The first two years should cover debt and personal finance management, how to apply for credit cards and how credit scores/history work, how to get an apartment, how to buy a house, how to buy a car, and other practical stuff.

The last two years should be removed and replaced with internship into businesses or trades.
 

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There are classes that teach the things that you want to take 2 years. I would kill somebody if I had to go through two full years of finance lectures.
 

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Skilla_Staz said:
There are classes that teach the things that you want to take 2 years. I would kill somebody if I had to go through two full years of finance lectures.
The 2 years wouldn't necessarily comprise of finance lectures every semester. My point is that we should get rid of the college appetizer that teaches redundant, useless subjects, and teach things we need to know for real day to day life as an adult. I don't have the statistics handy, but with the amount of consumer debt the average American has, clearly we're failing here. It's only anecdotal evidence, but my own brother just graduated from high school with a 3.5 GPA and had no idea how credit cards worked until I explained it to him.
 

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physical education for sure. And i'm not just talking about for fat people, the weights class in PE helped me learn a lot about what muscles did what, and how to use them properly, etc.

foreign language- i call BS, everyone I know says they forget all that stuff by the time they are in their 20s

Physics- It's nice learning how the universe works

I hear psycology is pretty itneresting

so is western philosophy

Algebra 2 at the very least

History and economics classes.
 

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Heh, you guys in america should forget about learning all that 'fancy' self-help/making money shiat in HS. You need to go to the fvcking basics again such as : maths, physics, GEOGRAPHY, social studies, history (and not just american history) and english writing/comprehension skills.

Don't take this as a flame, but all the americans I've met when traveling around the world havn't known d!ck shiat about the world. Hell, the american school system is a freaking joke, that is why a bachelor in america has become the new HS-diploma.
 

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I think today all the kiddies should know how to operate a computer for word processing at least.

And at most, do away with the whole "high school" model as it is. As long as you can do intermediate algebra and can read and write, and know your rights as an American (we are really lacking here), thats it. No four years of babysitting. What a waste of money! I think that money saved could be put into community colleges or some kind of program where you actually are putting towards a degree of some sort.

At this point, it HAS become babysitting. Parents go to work and don't want to worry about their kids, which is understandable. Kids go to school and worry if they don't conform to the rigid learning system, they won't get a degree and won't get a good job, and won't make good money.

I say, teach them what the absolutely have to know, and send them on their way into the adult world. None of this sheltering bullcrap! Teach them that to be an American, they don't have to take elective courses and be locked down for 6 hours a day.
 

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Centaurion said:
that is why a bachelor in america has become the new HS-diploma.
I agree that primary education in America is bad bad bad. Fortunately, our universities remain far and away the best in the world, which balances that somewhat.

I think there should be more classes on personal finance and emotional intelligence. I was an early entrance student to university, though, so I don't really know what high school is really like.
 

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I agree it reminds me of when I went to college. I learned there were too different styles of schools. The ones that teach you how to work for people. And the ones that teach you how to control. I hate to say it is a conspiracy but think about it. How many rich politicans go off and have kids that are failures (no bush jokes)? But how many go on and leave their wealth and fortune to their heirs.

Those schools are some times called prep schools and they are used to help the wealthy children remain wealthy adults. That is why I'm the way I am I said I'll be damned if I'm going to be an old @ss security guard working until I'm 105. Hell no and the same goes for my mom. Now there are loopholes to what I said but hey, I'm right.

One more thing since kids now a days are so stupid I was thinking about going up to my brothers school. I want to teach a liberal education class. One where kids learn basic leadership skills and other things they won't learn that they need to.
 

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How about a CHOICE of what you want, rather than what should be thrown at you?

Steve Jobs stated it was being booted from college that enabled him to take what interested him, and thereby helped on his path. Being given something where people say "this is useful, do this," precludes what we internally may already have as greatness.

Some may say..."Well what about the aimless wanderers who need guidance?" Those people might not need guidance IF they'd had the chance to be free flowing people who were able to choose their path. Much discontent originates in people who feel alienated from everyday society, a society that says "you're useful and worthy, you're not useful and you're worthless." There's alot more SQUARE pegs trying to NAIL round holes (pun intended) than there are perfect fits going around.

The bigger question, in the GRAND scheme of life is...

What's useful NOW and in the future, were you to take classes? What can be expanded upon?

Knowing facts is easy, and all most people know are FACTS. Knowing practical application and usages of computers is more FACTS than anything. Anyone CAN learn facts over time. We as human beings think we've done so much because we can JAM more facts that become obsolete in short-time, and are merely jeopardy questions then. Yet, we can't relate, or profit by these facts, despite HOW factual people are.

If I meet a stranger, honestly, it isn't the FACTS they read in a book, but maybe the high class, high level education they received. And it wouldn't be that a foreigner speaks Italian, or 7 different languages, it's their character and the drive to accomplish such things that impresses me. I have a cousin who speaks more than 3 now, and going for more, at only 22. I'm impressed that she goes for it, and she, having travelled, brings alot of great insight and dicussion to the table, not regurgitated facts that rank her in some pecking order.

Blah, throw facts out, that's all HS is anyways. And the SAT is one examination on FACT-based learning, without much practical application. I bumped up my own SAT figures just by memorizing vocab words. One kid scored 1600 on his SATS, and on dress up day for school, he wore his mother's clothes, so being a GENIUS isn't all it's cracked up to be when he was a walking insane asylum. A kid I knew who nailed between 1200 and 1300 and used to carry pounds and pounds of books and backpacks ended up working at the local cinema after college and hs. How impressive are these FACTs and degrees we learn, when people, as fish, have no concept of the fish bowl they live in?

Read: "the Stellar man" or "the way of the peaceful warrior" amongst other good, introspective books.

Learning, philosophically, is about awakening, opening up, and becoming enlightened. It isn't about INSTALLING the masses with the best, most useful programs for their long-term viability as economic units, although that's what most of us are.

Take what makes you feel alive and happy, and I'm sure you'll find a way to live. Obviously knowing about the nurturing of assets and utilization of liabilities is helpful, but not mandatory if you wouldn't like it. Speaking more languages helps the brain expand it's awareness, as some languages have many words for 1 thing, whereas we in English may not say it at all. Learning to be handy with tools is a creative and interactive skill. Art expands thinking possibilities. And humanities speak to the soul, through painting, music, art, literature, etc. All are viable. With respect to degrees, where there's a will, there's a way. Some degrees are easier to find money with because they're the backbone of this interlocked society, but other's should be followed because it makes you happy.


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Personally I think that we should stop teaching toward the lowest common denominator in primary education. The premise behind No Child Left Behind has been bastardized and run off into a ditch to such an extent that the quality of our college Freshmen can not compete with their global peers.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Personally I think that we should stop teaching toward the lowest common denominator in primary education. The premise behind No Child Left Behind has been bastardized and run off into a ditch to such an extent that the quality of our college Freshmen can not compete with their global peers.
AMEN! No matter how hard you try, you can't change the fact that 50% of people will always be below the median. Sure, help them out to raise everyone's standards, but give a little help to the people on top too.

Case in point: out of the $80 BILLION Department of Education budget last year, about $10 MILLION was delegated to gifted education. This year, NOTHING was.
 
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