What is your definition of a good woman?

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My motivation for starting this thread is due to the over-saturation of negativity with regards to women. So, it gives me the impression that there are very few good women and if 85% of the guys on this site are saying next her, break up with her and don't try to work it out with her. Where are all the good women then?
So, my question to you guys is what is your definition or idea of a good woman. For those of you who supposed have these good women yet still cheat on them. Why do you it while expecting them to be faithful to you? My question is more directed to those of you in exclusive/committed relationships. I know there are many of you in here who feel this is ok (acceptable for men to have multiple women but women to only have one man).

Over to you guys. I really want to know. I get the impression that men are the sole owners of calling the shots on women/men sexual relationship should work. Back in the old times I can understand this reasoning considering women couldn't vote, didn't work outside of the home etc. Today the world has changed. So, why are we as men still hung up having the sole say on how this relationship dynamic should work but women don't? If the man's view point is the natural order of things then why do women still engage in the manly behavior of having multiple male partners while hiding it, the same way guys are hiding it?
 

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Everything a woman does is for sex. They are biologically programmed to live, breath, think sex.

However, for a woman, sex basically means securing a man's resources (house, car, money, salary, investments, iDevices, you name it, they want it). All women are biologically programmed for this. Yes, women want good genes for offsprings, but it doesn't have to be your genes, just your resources. They are even willing to pretend their pregnancy is yours if it helps to secure your resources. So considerate of them. That's called a short-term sex strategy of women, kind of like a guy's one night stand. Short-term because no resources are involved. Note, pretty much all of this behavior is almost at a subconscious level, so you'll never get them to admit to this. But it is the way of life.

That being said:

A good women is someone who:

1) brings something to the table that enhances a mans's life, whether it be salary, domestic duties, or other stuff e.g. cleaning/cooking/grocery shopping
2) for whatever reason, be it upbringing or genes, doesn't tend to look around for better mates
3) doesn't look at a man as a resource to suck until there is no more resources to be taken, ie respects a man's resources
4) Never goes for a sex strategy that is a negative or destructive act to keep a mate, i.e. always putting down the husband, being manipulative
5) is the exact opposite of being frigid when it comes to sex. By sex, I mean a man's definition of sex, not a woman's definition.

Those are the biggies from a biological, evolutionary standpoint, in my opinion.
 

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A good woman is a woman with high quality genes who submits to me and only me. :up:

Otherwise what's the point? Sex and reproduction is all a woman is good for unless she is willing to be dominated by a man. At least in my opinion.
 

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bmp2cpm said:
Everything a woman does is for sex. They are biologically programmed to live, breath, think sex.

However, for a woman, sex basically means securing a man's resources (house, car, money, salary, investments, iDevices, you name it, they want it). All women are biologically programmed for this. Yes, women want good genes for offsprings, but it doesn't have to be your genes, just your resources. They are even willing to pretend their pregnancy is yours if it helps to secure your resources. So considerate of them. That's called a short-term sex strategy of women, kind of like a guy's one night stand. Short-term because no resources are involved. Note, pretty much all of this behavior is almost at a subconscious level, so you'll never get them to admit to this. But it is the way of life.

That being said:

A good women is someone who:

1) brings something to the table that enhances a mans's life, whether it be salary, domestic duties, or other stuff e.g. cleaning/cooking/grocery shopping
2) for whatever reason, be it upbringing or genes, doesn't tend to look around for better mates
3) doesn't look at a man as a resource to suck until there is no more resources to be taken, ie respects a man's resources
4) Never goes for a sex strategy that is a negative or destructive act to keep a mate, i.e. always putting down the husband, being manipulative
5) is the exact opposite of being frigid when it comes to sex. By sex, I mean a man's definition of sex, not a woman's definition.

Those are the biggies from a biological, evolutionary standpoint, in my opinion.
So, let me get this right a woman is a good woman if she adhere's to a man's definition of a good woman. In other words if she only conforms to your standard and you don't have to fulfill her wishes? Got it.
 

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I think it's a pretty good list... I may add 6)knows when to stfu. Now before you get your knickers in a bunch. SINCE the divorce, my net worth has gone from high 6 to 7 digits... tripled. All because I DON'T have to listen to her advice on EVERYTHING... I invest in what I think will benefit me, not what benefits her.

If she doesn't conform to my standards, I'll toss her azz out. If she doesn't like the life I've built for myself and am willing to SHARE with her...she can leave.
 

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Women who never hold back on sex.

Some women think men would want them more by holding back sex, even after you are married. If you just met, sure. But when you are officially together, it is a totally different landscape that sex must occur as often as possible.
 

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I'm not part of the camp that thinks biology (aka sex in the manosphere) defines everything. We are more than the sum of our organs.

I also think I have the best woman in the world, the kind most guys think is a unicorn. She has changed the way I see the proverbial "good woman". So here is my take, reposted with my permission:

10. She should come from a good, intact family.

Everyone’s family has some issues. But a girl should have parents who are still married and reasonably happy. Children of divorced parents are more likely to be divorced themselves. Look at her parent’s dynamic and assess whether the mother or father wears the pants. If the mother wears the pants, you can count on her being domineering once you get married. They tend to emulate their mother’s attitudes and conflict resolution style.

9. She should have a good relationship with her father.

No brainer. Any girl who has daddy issues of significance will transfer them to YOU, because once married you become the focal man in her life, and she will take out unresolved father conflict on her new primary male figure. It’s OK if they had their issues in the past but are good friends now, but just be observant of her comments and attitude towards her dad. Anger, distrust, resentment = BAD. Abuse = super bad.

8. No kids.

Unless you have some unnatural desire to raise another man’s sperm, then definitely do NOT date/marry a girl who has kids from a previous guy. There is a high likelihood you will regret this like hell. If you were to get a divorce and you make more than her, then guess what buddy? You could end up paying child support for a fvcking kid that’s not even yours. Repeat after me: FVCK THAT SH!T. Life is too short to be cleaning up other people’s mistakes.

Leave the cuckoldry to blue pillers.

7. Never married.

Damaged goods. Damaged goods. Damaged goods. Embrace this mantra when you meet previously married women. I can tell you from experience---they ALL carry ex-husband baggage. You will pay, in one way or another, for his mistakes. Plus, how special can it really be to be standing at the altar with a woman who has already said her forever vows once??? You want her vision of marriage to be fresh and untainted, much like her pvssy. That's not to say that good women cant make mistakes, but if you have a choice (you do), buy new.

6. She should be non-feminist

While most women aren’t going to have to level of awareness that a DJ or red pill man will on social matters, she does need to have a working understanding that we do NOT live in a pro-male society. She needs to understand that you are taking a MUCH bigger risk in marrying her than she is to you, and that a prenuptial agreement (or lack of marriage altogether) is a pragmatic measure taken by a rational man who wants to mitigate as much risk as possible. In a nutshell, she should be down with more traditional gender roles, generally like men, and not have any delusions that women have it 'ruff.

5. She should be submissive and receptive to male leadership

Self-explanatory. Show me a successful relationship or a marriage and I’ll show you a couple where the Man is a confident leader and the wife is a willing follower. Think pilot-copilot. You do not want an ‘enlightened feminist’ cvnt who will make your life hell and question every action or decision of yours. That’s an uphill battle you will never win. A good woman will feel fulfilled in this role and will make your job 1000 times easier. It’s ok to give her some dominion over the home and other day-to-day matters, but YOU are the pilot and the pilot makes the big decisions that affect everyone. There is more control, but also more responsibility.

4. Preferably a virgin, or single digit partners.

I’ve talked about this at length in other threads and my blog, but I cannot overemphasize the value of finding a girl who has NEVER had other men, or at least minimal partners. Not only is she physically untainted, but her ability to bond with you is more pure. You can teach her sexually and never worry about her having hang-ups or wonder about her hazy sexual past. Personally I'm not a fan of getting 17 other men's genetic leavings every time I enter my woman.
Now, obviously finding a virgin with all these other attributes in this day and age is like finding a needle in a hayfield. The fewer partners the better. Evidence has shown that the more sexual partners a girl has had prior to marriage, the higher the likelihood of marital dissolution. I would suggest <5 partners.

3. She should have the body type you want---naturally

Is she a little chubby now? Does she have some thunder thighs or was she once very overweight? How big are her boobs? A girl with DD’s at 23 will be sagging and likely overweight in her thirties and forties. Choose a female that looks the way you like NATURALLY. Reservations about her body now will only magnify with age. Look at her mother as well. This isn't an absolute predictor, but they tend to follow their mother’s physical progression. Also, an ongoing commitment to exercise is a must.

2. She should not be overly materialistic

It’s fine if she has a good fashion sense and a taste for some finer things, but really your income and resources shouldn't have a tremendous bearing on why she is with you. She should be just as happy going out for a burger with you in your 1979 Datsun as she would cruising down the strip in your Ferrari. Does she want a big extravagant wedding? Or ring? Does she chatter on endlessly about sh!t she knows you can’t afford? Red flags. Also, she should be debt-free or at the most have some well-managed, low risk debt.

1. She should level with you on the BIG stuff: Spiritual beliefs, children, financial habits, lifestyle preferences.

This is also pretty self-explanatory, but it bears repeating. These things are non-negotiable and will have a HUGE effect on your quality of life with her. You should want the same type of lifestyle---i.e. live in the country vs. city, lots of leisure vs. lots of work, kids vs. no kids, similar travel goals, a few shared hobbies, and similar sex appetites. In the long run differences in these key areas will pull you apart.


I know guys will come out of the woodwork pointing out the exceptions to every rule, but I'm not going to debate their happiness or views. These are MY views based on a multitude of factors, and in my DJ opinion if you find a woman who meets every criteria on this list, you are unlikely to ever meet another one.
 

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Great list Colossus, especially in regard to identifying similar belief and spiritual thinkings.

I wasted a lot of time in the past making exceptions for hotties who were not spiritually aligned with me, and only to get disappointed in the end dating an empty soul.

Make sure you make a list of priorities and this is only possible after extensive DJing and dating.

Exodus
 

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ya Colossus nailed it.

I just read each one and compared it to my current girlfriend, who I believe to be a long term "keeper."

She's all 10 of those thankfully.

My last 2 ex's were not.
 

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Not older than me
No children
Not superficial
Not overly religious
Never married
 

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Top list Colossus. Also compared to current girlfriend, she fits each one of them on that list except 1 and 3.

Also:

You can be yourself 100% around her.
Slightly more into you than vice versa.
Loyal
Not clingy
 

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I've been sick with the flu since Sunday night and three of my current plates contacted me throughout the week asking how I've been.

After informing all three that I'm sick with the flu, one just responds with "that sucks" another didn't respond at all and the third was basically being a nurse to me via texts. Checking in on me every hour/day.

It really brought her up to the top of my list and made me not want any contact with the other two. To me, this is my ideal woman because of that one quality subtly speaks volumes of potential for other good qualities.
 

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samspade said:
You just asked, "what is your definition or idea of a good woman." Then he gave his and you roasted him.

The question is subjective by nature. It's not about women "conforming" to a standard. It's about having a standard and choosing women that match it while passing on those that don't.
:crackup: Hey, how did I roast the man, lol? I just restated what he said in the way I understood it.

Anyway, Bcmp and Colossus' responses for the most part are the responses that were well thought out. I didn't post this thread as a joke. It's a bit disappointing that a lot of guys were here making jokes. How can a woman who keeps your stomach full and your nuts empty :crackup: be your only criteria of a good woman? The others who attempted a response simply agreed with Colossus comments (not that it's wrong) but the point is to get more feed back in order to find out if there's a recurring pattern of the traits people felt qualified a woman as being good. By doing this perhaps we can reach an agreed upon Sosuave standard of a good woman.

For those minimizing things down to sex. I'd like to say that we as humans are complex beings. What's with the notion that every woman with a kid is a bad woman or is worthless? There are really guys who know how to do and say all the right things to get a woman in the beginning (esp really young and naive women). They get her pregnant and bail either because it was all about sex for them or they got scared. I'm fully aware as well that there are irresponsible women out there. However, it's not fair to lump them all into one group.

For those of your who are not the marrying kind or into a committed relationship would you also use being a single mom to judge a woman as being good. Obviously if the commitment lifestyle isn't for you then surely you have other criteria for what a good woman is. SO, what are they?
 

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Assuming this is about the characteristics of a woman for a LTR..

One that meets your wants including the superficial shallow ones.
One that protects you and your relationship first.
One that is smart enough to know that the grass is not greener on the other side of the fence but rather where you water it (in other words, not a gullible, over entitled, hypergamous flake).

SH
 

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Search the comments on single mothers and see if there's something wrong with them....I MARRIED ONE..... and divorced her
 

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hmmm...my definition of a good woman is...
A woman who loves and respects me for who I am, just like I would to her.
One who is not out to change me. I'm not out to change them...
One who will help with cleaning, dishes, laundry, cooking. Not just lay around and watch tv and not do anything (and then complain because I don't fix the car. (in my spare time- sarcasm...)

One who lets me love her- touch her, be romantic, French kiss, have good sex, hopefully more often than once in a blue moon.
One who encourages her friends and family to treat me well, not act like a bunch of femnazis who have to put and keep me in my place (low man on the totem pole, with no hope for respect or redemption).
One who can control her kids, or at least let them not control us.
One who respects my family, not pushing them away because my mom doesn't drink, smoke, and throw the F bomb around with reckless abandon...my folks are in their 70's, my mom hates that crap.
Really, you would think that's not a tall order.
But just try and find someone like that today. Seriously...
Can you see how many character flaws I just mentioned, there are women all over the place that violate many or all of these rules.
 
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