What is wrong with this chick

[VikingKing]

Met her on pof. Here is our pof conversation.


me
Will you marry me? 6/15/2014 4:05:48 PM

her
Hmmmmmmmm.... I've gotten a few proposals already so maybe if those don't work out I can call you? 6/15/2014 5:39:36 PM


me 6/17/2014 11:24:34 PM
Lol.

me
So are you from xxxx originally? Do you enjoy nature?

her
No I grew up in xxxx actually, I enjoy hiking or being outside. Not much of a camper though. I think with the right people anything can be fun


me
So have you had any luck with pof?

her
Ummmm I guess I haven't been wowed. Some cute guys and nice guys but others are crazy. I'm kind of sadden by it.


me
i see.

her

You?


me
Here and there.

her
That's good! Better than nothing right?


me
of course.


her

What do you do for work?

me
I'm a stripper

me
you?

her
Hmmm I'm a unicorn


me
Thats weird, because you look asian

her
Asian unicorns are VERY rare

me


her Hmm
I'll take the blank message as sign. Haha have a good night

me
well i'm going to go eat a bacon and cheese sandwich. lets take this conversation offline, whats your #

her
xxxxxxx95 but I'm going to bed. You can text me tomorrow if you want


So I did. We texted a bit and I kept it light, ****y funny. I did the 2 to 1 rule every 2 of her texts I sent one. Then I would make her wait for an hour or two before I responded, then I stopped responding.

Well I figured she was going out last night, so I didnt text her. I didn't go out but I dont want to seem like a loser who has time to text friday night. Well I popped on pof last night and saw she was on. I actually deleted her number from my phone because she seemed to lose a bit of interest, and i figured to just kank it then and there. Well after I saw she was on, I figured she was at home so I texted her "what are you doing?" (I drank a bit last night, I'm back in my home state, bored, with my buddies house to myself) and we started to have a real conversation. Told her a bit about myself, and family her interest level seemed to sky rocket.

I told her to add me on facebook ( I have a flip phone and its a pain to text on) and she did. We chatted on there for a bit.

It says she is a conservative on her facebook, I was like damn.

At one point we were talking about pof or somthing and SHE brought up the fact that American women are to entitled. After that I mentioned how feminists ruin women, and she says "I don't like feminists" She said that all by herself. Her parents are korean, but she was raised here.

She is responsible, has a decent job.

She ended up asking me if she can call me, so I said ok. We talked for about 45 mins, but I ended it saying I had to go to bed.

She even used subtle sexual innuendo a few times. Showed high interest. she is two years older than me. Good job, lives in a nice apartment in the downtown area of the city nearest to me.

Now in some of her pictures on her fb she is kind of thick, but they are older ones. The more recent ones she is thin, looking good. I'd say a 7 to be fair (its been a while).

But I was wowed when she said she thinks women are to entitled. She is a conservative. She also has never smoked weed, a cigarette, doesn't drink often and when she does its not much, and never tried any other drugs.

This is all great. But what am I missing :trouble:

 

[VikingKing]

Oh and I live out in the county. By a ton of lakes, its beautiful out here and I love it. I talked about that, she was telling me she is jealous. I'm going to invite her out here next weekend. Have a bonfire, some drinks.

 

[AttackFormation]

I can't see anything that'd make me second guess her, why not get back to us when you've met her. Unless by asking what's wrong with her you really wanted to say how is something not wrong with her.

 

[VikingKing]

annnnnddddddd................... I blew it. How the fvck to i fvck up nearly a gimmee. fml.

My mistakes.

1. I'm not working again so I have nothing better to do that text to much.

2. to eager, basically same as above.

3. not having other options

4. to much time on my hands.

had I had somthing to do every day, and been busy doing it, it would have kept the interest level.

I should have disappeared for a few days after the phone call we had, and established a date.

I sent a text this morning "Hey, how about you come over and watch a movie with me friday." her "Oh, I'm sorry, I was planning to go out of town next weekend." me "oh, ok then." Her "I'm so sorry."

Man. It's ok to converse a bit at first to establish rapport, but after that you gotta just shut the fvck up. The first one who talks loses.



Edit out of posts.

@ om1xr, there probably is a shot left. I'm going to just let it go for now.

@ sylvester. You claim to be an intelligent guy so hopefully you can understand this, I'll break it down real simple. I have no car, I don't live in the city I live in the county. Now I looked it up, she is 63 miles away.

A. women tend to be more comfortable meeting in a public setting, but i've done this before where I get them to come to me, and show them a great time by doing the things I normally enjoy doing. It works.

B. for some one she doesn't even know, you cant just ask in the first few messages for her to drive 63 miles to some where she has never been. It's ok to sometimes invest a little more at first in a situation like this, she was quite receptive any ways.

Honestly getting her out here in and of itself would be her investing quite a bit. Cognitive dissonance. If she is going to drive 63 miles to meet with me, in her mind she must be interested? You know about psychology right?

Getting her out here is the hard part. The rest is the easy part, because she will have already invested time, gas (money). Then just have a bonfire, and some beers or something. But your from London, you grew up totally different from me. She is also from the city, and she never comes out here so It would be all very different to her, and interesting.

If a girl is initially interested enough, there is nothing wrong with talking to her to get to know each other a little bit before she comes and meets some guy she doesn't know, in a strange place she has never been, far from where she lives. I just need to build enough interest/ attraction to get her to come here. Then it will be gravy.

With certain women talking or texting at all before the meet (other than to meet up) or in between meets (other than to set another date) will kill it.

Some women you can do this, if you do it right.

Plus I am broke. Some one once told me though, "If a woman is interested enough, she wouldn't care if you live in a cardboard box"

The phone conversation went fine, and built interest. It was the texting the next day that killed it.

Had we been in a closer proximity, I would have got her number, texted a little bit, then asked her out.

For even further context, here is my "about me" section which I assure you she read, and gave her, her first impression of my "intentions".

I'm a very good looking man building his own life while looking for a gal to decorate the fixtures. I'm looking for a replacement for my deceased wife. You must have light hair, good eyes or be willing to wear a wig and contacts lenses. You must also be willing to wear her clothes (size 9-12) and answer to her name (Brumhilda).



Some people can't handle a dry sense of humour. Life is too serious and you gotta laugh at the little dramas. I can be a little flirty or cheeky, but always a quite wolf.

I have very old fashioned values; the good ones. My ideal type would be a femine woman who takes pride in her appearance, character and is in touch with her sexuality, but who I can talk to for hours. I have no expectations and value all experiences for what they are whether it's dating and fun, or something deeper.

I'm also into working out and nutrition. I love hot weather or rainy days with a movie or book.

ps. I'm quite dubious about women with just one photo, unclear or distant photos. Don't take it personaly if I don't reply, sometimes I just can't see what you look like.

So she was digging me. I just had to get her to come out and meet me.

I have more green dots, because I have a better understanding of women than you. I've gone over your posts, and you seem to spend a lot of time working on uninterested women. Even in your longer relationships, i doubt you had the strongest frame.

I also never had to resort to online dating before. Usually the women I spent time with, were interested and not difficult for me. Probably my biggest problem was not making a move when I could have, not lacking the opportunity.

As they say in london, or what ever country you come from where you don't know how to brush your teeth "cheers mate"

 

[om1xr]

Man. It's ok to converse a bit at first to establish rapport, but after that you gotta just shut the fvck up. The first one who talks loses.

It depends on how sharp and skillful you are at texting and conversations in general and girls specially. so if you are bad a texting or you text whenever you have nothing better to do then you have a problem and you will loses a lot of opportunities and plates just by doing that.

personally if i have nothing to do i prefer to sitting at home scratching my balls and watching a game or something instead of texting or replying to texts from girls lol!

if you think about it you will realize that if you can control yourself and play your moves right you will go so far in this so called game but remember that you need self discipline to use texting and initiating contacts when necessary if you are not good at making panties drop just by writing some words on your phone screen! believe me it can be done!

live and learn bro!

btw you still have a chance here you just have to make her invest more and push for the meeting and make her want to meet you more than you do if you know what i mean !

good luck!

 

[sylvester the cat]

Should have cut all that texting and writing and asked her to meet you within the first few pof messages

this is pretty standard really. how you got so many green dots without knowing this is anyone's guess.

 

[asa_don]

i don't see the reason to be adding her on facebook, get her number, chat a bit, then go out. i don't think it was all the texting that runed it, it was what you said. don't invite them over for a movie, take them out and then bring them back. 45 min on the phone?

 

[sylvester the cat]

I have more green dots, because I have a better understanding of women than you.

Hmm, possibly.

I'm going to go with the fact that you've been here half the time I have and have posted almost 500 more times than I have. No doubt due to the fact you are unemployed and have nothing better to do.

Then again I have to remember green dots are no indicator of understanding. Even skinnyguy and dhoulmagus have green dots.

 

[bukowski_merit]

I agree with Noob here..... If you're going to try to get a woman you've never met to drive 60 miles TO YOUR HOUSE and drink at a bonfire with you (a man she's never met) - you must establish rapport and attraction ahead of time. There's really no way around it.



With that said - everything seems fluff talk to me (based on what you wrote and have said). I mean, a innuendo here and there is not going to change much. This is only establishing minimal rapport here.

In my experience to really build attraction through virtual contact - you should push to get the conversation to sexual asap. Try to establish a sexual connection (meaning you both like the same stuff in bed; etc.) This will do two things 1) Raise her interest in you (although you only have a few days to cash in on it.) 2) Pretty much guarentee sex happens on the first date; sometimes within minutes of her arriving.

You can do this by asking what she looks for in a man. Then following up with what you look for in a woman. Tell her "Sexual compatibility is a must...." and that should open the door for discussion on the topic. Any shyness from her on the topic should be meant with "maybe you're too much of a good girl for me."

I think a lot of guys would be very surprised to see how well this stuff works.



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Also...

I sent a text this morning "Hey, how about you come over and watch a movie with me friday." her "Oh, I'm sorry, I was planning to go out of town next weekend." me "oh, ok then." Her "I'm so sorry."

I wouldn't write-off her saying she was planning something already as rejection. It's probably the truth. Which is why I try to have first meetups on weeknights.

The real way to find out at that very moment if she was interested and really unavailable or just uninterested would have been to ask, "well what days would you be willing to come? I can see if I can work with your schedule."

Honestly if you get "I'm not sure...." and any explanation after that - that is a sign she's losing interest. But a lot of times women will say, "hmmm... thursday night..." or even "tonight I'm free".

At which point the "don't be too available/always be busy" stuff should be ignored.

 

[cordoncordon]

I am curious as to why you do not have a job and a vehicle to get around in? This is not a knock on you at all, but you are REALLY going to be limiting the girls that will want to meet you, let alone date you, if you do not have those two things. One of the first things a woman will ask you is do you have a job and a car. If you don't they think you are a deadbeat. Not saying you are, just what they think.

 

[goldengoose]

No offense, but you're POF conversation was rather boring. She was leading the convo while you were jumping around with questions with no answers. That wasn't a convo. I hope your texting wasn't the same.

Not having a car is going to be a big problem for you with dating. Chicks online aren't going to go driving over 60 miles out to the country for a first date. They have other AFC's willing to drive to them and pay for a more expensive date. The chick will have to be totally into you for that to happen and would be a gamble since she's never met you before. If you're going to go for the bang on the first date, you need to be talking with them. You just can't expect them to come on a couple of messages on the site. You need to get some sexual vibes going with them. Chicks will usually bring it up on their own when they are feeling it. All you do is have to go along with it. As long as the conversation isn't boring then talking won't have her lose interest. I would look for women who live closer to you if there are any available. Most women aren't going to travel long distances for a first date unless there is a connection first. I would start looking to invest in a car because you won't have much of a dating life without one.

 

[gravityeyelids]

Honestly your initial messaging to her was kinda lame. You mainly stuck to boring almost interview-ish questions and didn't really make it fun or flirty.

I mean she played along anyway just to see where you were going with, even giving you the number and stuff.

"Do you enjoy nature?"
"What are you doing"
"i'm going to go eat a bacon and cheese sandwich"
"So have you had any luck with POF?"


Stuff like this...frankly it's either boring or it sounds like you're trying for her attention. I'm surprised she kept responding to you as long as she did. It's not that she wasn't interested at all....the fact that she kept responding shows that she has some interest. But, it's just that. Low interest. You didnt do a whole lot to get her invested in the convo and make it fun and sexual. It's like she was expecting you to ramp it up, and gave you numerous opportunities but you didnt follow through.

Not trying to bash on you, just being honest. Online game can be very difficult. The flake/ignore rate is insane.

As far as progressing to a meetup...I find it's best to not just throw it out there. Joke around with it a bit, and be a little hard to get. Hard to explain, but read this thread, and look at how this guy does it:
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/508923

 

[VikingKing]

@gravity, your right. But I've never done online dating before. When I first made my account, i played with it for 2 days and didnt touch it for a year. I like the link you posted. The red or white thing worked perfectly. Its amazing the nonsense they will fall for. It's like jingling keys in front of a babies face. I'm going to experiment with that more, set up some dates but flake because I honestly cant even get there. I guess I hesitated when I was first messaging because, I'm broke, no car, distance ect. That makes it more difficult.

@golden goose, sure it was boring, but she kept at it. Also, it looks like a mutual conversation, she wasn't leading anything. But sure, I didn't try very hard to make it entertaining. I was just making sh!t up. Idk. It's a lot easier for me in person, because then I can use my tone of voice and body language to make it more "fun". Of course there are chumps out there who are willing to do that, but do you think she wants to date some chumps? Maybe. I've never really spent money on women, I've never bought them gifts unless they are ltr's and still I rarely did it. usually they spent more money on me.

@cordoncordon. It's a long story, the last few years of my life. I left the traveling door to door sales job simply because a lot of those people are degenerates, drugs addicts, alcoholics. I was actually doing well. My best week I had 8 sales at 195 commission. If you get good you can make between 600 to 1600 a week. My boss didn't want me to quit. He said "you just want to leave because you havnt seen the money yet, give me 30 more days and I promise you will get the sales, I see a lot of power in you." I do have a few options, but I think I'm going to move to milwaukee, I have a very good reference for a job at the airport. All I have to do is call them up, and also secure a place. I live in a place where you need a car to get to the jobs.

@burkowski. Your advice is great. She was giving me plenty of opportunities when we talked on the phone, she was making innuendos herself. So either I'll see how things are in a couple of days. Honestly, I could go donate plasma (to have money for myself, I'm not paying for her), arrange a meet in Milwaukee (I can get a ride). If we go both have a few drinks, I will really loosen up, we can end up back at her place. This would be an easier way to go. Plus her place is probably nicer than where I live. And she can give me a ride back. I may be able to get free drinks, and get laid.



Any ways thanks for the feedback. Duly noted.

 

[VikingKing]

Now I basically told her I just got back from doing a door to door sales job, I did. That I work for a while, make enough to live off of. Basically told her I don't really have a "plan" per say, I just kind of take opportunities as they come, which is basically true. She also knows I don't have a car. Yet she still seemed interested.

She also mentioned that she pays like 1900 dollars a month for her place, and little hints about stuff like that. Just out of curiosity, why would she bring that up? I don't really care that she makes more money, but I just wonder why.

 

[VikingKing]

Oh, turns out she has an "eating disorder" and she is "bigger than she wants to be". She also admitted shes been with 14 dudes.

Trying to lure me into some emotional bvllsh!t. I knew it, I just knew. Now that she is 28, and overweight she wants a meaningful ltr. Ha! no thanks.

catfisher

 

[FBJ]

Met her on pof. Here is our pof conversation.


me
Will you marry me? 6/15/2014 4:05:48 PM

her
Hmmmmmmmm.... I've gotten a few proposals already so maybe if those don't work out I can call you? 6/15/2014 5:39:36 PM


me 6/17/2014 11:24:34 PM
Lol.

me
So are you from xxxx originally? Do you enjoy nature?

her
No I grew up in xxxx actually, I enjoy hiking or being outside. Not much of a camper though. I think with the right people anything can be fun


me
So have you had any luck with pof?

her
Ummmm I guess I haven't been wowed. Some cute guys and nice guys but others are crazy. I'm kind of sadden by it.


me
i see.

her

You?


me
Here and there.

her
That's good! Better than nothing right?


me
of course.


her

What do you do for work?

me
I'm a stripper

me
you?

her
Hmmm I'm a unicorn


me
Thats weird, because you look asian

her
Asian unicorns are VERY rare

me


her Hmm
I'll take the blank message as sign. Haha have a good night

me
well i'm going to go eat a bacon and cheese sandwich. lets take this conversation offline, whats your #

her
xxxxxxx95 but I'm going to bed. You can text me tomorrow if you want


So I did. We texted a bit and I kept it light, ****y funny. I did the 2 to 1 rule every 2 of her texts I sent one. Then I would make her wait for an hour or two before I responded, then I stopped responding.

Well I figured she was going out last night, so I didnt text her. I didn't go out but I dont want to seem like a loser who has time to text friday night. Well I popped on pof last night and saw she was on. I actually deleted her number from my phone because she seemed to lose a bit of interest, and i figured to just kank it then and there. Well after I saw she was on, I figured she was at home so I texted her "what are you doing?" (I drank a bit last night, I'm back in my home state, bored, with my buddies house to myself) and we started to have a real conversation. Told her a bit about myself, and family her interest level seemed to sky rocket.

I told her to add me on facebook ( I have a flip phone and its a pain to text on) and she did. We chatted on there for a bit.

It says she is a conservative on her facebook, I was like damn.

At one point we were talking about pof or somthing and SHE brought up the fact that American women are to entitled. After that I mentioned how feminists ruin women, and she says "I don't like feminists" She said that all by herself. Her parents are korean, but she was raised here.

She is responsible, has a decent job.

She ended up asking me if she can call me, so I said ok. We talked for about 45 mins, but I ended it saying I had to go to bed.

She even used subtle sexual innuendo a few times. Showed high interest. she is two years older than me. Good job, lives in a nice apartment in the downtown area of the city nearest to me.

Now in some of her pictures on her fb she is kind of thick, but they are older ones. The more recent ones she is thin, looking good. I'd say a 7 to be fair (its been a while).

But I was wowed when she said she thinks women are to entitled. She is a conservative. She also has never smoked weed, a cigarette, doesn't drink often and when she does its not much, and never tried any other drugs.

This is all great. But what am I missing :trouble:

You are not supposed to give someone you are chatting with on a dating site your facebook address