What is love? I may have your answer.

[Jester]

Shakespeare was possibly the most brilliant writer of all time, i believe this is shown perfectly in his sonnet 116.

Let me not to the marriage of true minds Admit impediments. Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds, Or bends with the remover to remove.
O no, it is an ever-fixèd mark That looks on tempests and is never shaken; It is the star to every wand'ring bark, Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken. Love's not time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks Within his bending sickle's compass come. Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks, But bears it out ev'n to the edge of doom.

If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.


William Shakespeare

(1564 - 1616)


In short, love doesnt waver with time, it doesn't falter with trial, it is everlasting. If you think you're in love, but you dont think its like shakespeare's description, then im afraid you're not in love.

Just to add a DJ point of view to that sonnet, it is false love if your love is unreturned. Also, if the one you think you love cheats on you, that love is nullified. If the person i loved cheated on me, it would be obvious to me she just was feigning the personality of someone i could love. So i wouldnt feel bad at all.

Thats love baby.

 

[semag]

Nice post Jester... I love how you can read the sonnets several times and pick up something new every time...

Ahh... there are quite a few in there that are quite AFC, but still, can one call Shakespeare an AFC?? Good question there eh?? Maybe we should start a discussion on that.

Could he put a woman on a "worded pedastal" without losing the battle with AFC-dom... I think so...

 

[20P02]

"love isn't something you can put chains around and throw in a lake...thats called hudini, Love is liking someone alot"

-Jack Handy, Deep Thoughts

 

[JRay]

Although a bit extreme, this is a way to test love:

If a terrible accident affected your "love" tomorrow and she had a great disability (paralysis, loss of beauty from horrendous scaring, ect.), would you still stay with her?

 

[Quad4IV]

Are you guys looking for love??

 

[Jester]

already found it. i read that poem to her for valentines day.

 

[Andrew]

Originally posted by 20P02
"love isn't something you can put chains around and throw in a lake...thats called hudini, Love is liking someone alot"

-Jack Handy, Deep Thoughts

LOL

 

[random afc]

AH! i'm procrastinating homework right now to be doing this!?

haha, sorry, good poem though. i think it may be a little too mushy for me to execute. hmm, better get started on that homework...

 

[semag]

If a terrible accident affected your "love" tomorrow and she had a great disability (paralysis, loss of beauty from horrendous scaring, ect.), would you still stay with her?

I had an interesting point of view pointed out to me the other day, that helped me classify this a little better.

First of all, most of this is based on the fact that men are mainly visual creatures, and so therefore you think more with what you see rather than the way you are treated. This being said, it is natural for a man to say, "well, would I still love her if she weren't beautiful?"

Now, here's the trick. I was talking to an aquantince of mine who happens to be homosexual. I told him how it was hard for me to classify whether or not I want my girlfriend just for her looks, and how separating that from her personality is very difficult. I mentioned to him that I thought about whether or not I would still like her as much if she were ugly...

now, he comes in with this separate point of view. He (being, as I guess you would say stereotypical, a little more in touch with emotions and personalities) told me to, rather than try to picture her as different physically. He said that keeping looks constant is easy, because you would have no gauge of how to change her appearance towards ugly. However, he said to pretend she's a b1tch. Now we all know girls that are b1tchy, and transplanting those traits onto another person is much easier than trying to mentally picture them as different. This helps a lot if you're ever in that doubting stage, where you wonder if your catch is just there to "look pretty," or if you like to actually be around her....

 

[Jester]

Originally posted by Jester
Just to add a DJ point of view to that sonnet, it is false love if your love is unreturned. Also, if the one you think you love cheats on you, that love is nullified. If the person i loved cheated on me, it would be obvious to me she just was feigning the personality of someone i could love. So i wouldnt feel bad at all.

Thats love baby.

Guess what guys! I was right, she was feigning, and no, i dont feel bad about it at all.

crazy sh1t!

 

[Blowfish]

Interesting post.

Love is something serious, and its not to be messed around with. High school kids (8th to 11th Grade kids) mess around with what they assume is love, which is why they get into a new relationship once every 3 months.

The only time love is fake is when the two do not connect, when one cheats on another, when one lies to another, that's not love. The two must connect if love is to be real.

 

[triple_ultima]

If love is never-ending and doesn't fade with time, is it ever possible to truly love someone? I'm not talking about agape (brotherly) love, but about eros , or romantic love. I don't think I could ever love a woman that much, for that long.

 

[icallug]

i agree with blowfish, you really do need to connect with a person to love them and to be loved.

why do you love your mother - because you have a special connection

why do you love your father - because you have that special connection

why do you love your sister, brother, grandpa, grandma, uncle, aunt, etc. etc. - because theres that one connection that seels everything.

no matter what, you really never stop loving these special people in your lives. even if you get in the worst fight imaginable, you know deep down inside you still love them. once you find your significant other, and you have that connection, you two can be together forever.

 

[JSH]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Which is why there is something true in religions like Christianity, (and no i am not a bible basher or even a practising Christian). You have a special connection with everyone, and as such can love everyone in their own special way. Agape is actually important, now i used to be a sarky git, but i had a kinda ephiphany on my four day camping treck. Because i was the strongest walker and could deal with it the best, i ended up helping those that were lagging and feeling sympathetic to those who normally I wouldnt give a toss about. Even people who in the past had utterly crushed/humiliated me did not have an affect on me when we ended up at the same place. This was becasue i loved what i was doing, so nothing could get me down.

Lesson: Do what you love doing and agape will come across as you will have the special connection with eveyone there.