What I learned from my sister...

JohnnyLegard

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My sister and I have not always been the closest, especially since we live across the country. However, since she was about to get married a while back, she was determined to get to know me more and we had a heart to heart talk for one of the first times in many years. In it she gave me love advice that actually gave me a lot of new perspective on things that has greatly helped me in my current relationship as well as spotting all the problems of my past relationships and screw-ups. After following her advice, I am now at a point where I couldn't be happier with both my love social life. I thought I would finally return to this site to share this information with all you (I never posted, but I read some of the articles), hope it helps.

ON RELATIONSHIPS
Essentially what she told me was this. Attraction to any person is a matter of stroking another person's ego. In the case of women, all women, especially the ones who say it is not true, want a fairytell romance. In other words, everyone wants to be loved.

In terms of relationships, it's a matter of making a woman feel special. All people, especially ALL WOMEN, are insecure to a degree. Everyone wants to be loved, and everyone feels like they are lacking it to a degree. Think this is not true? Well then why are YOU at this site, reading this? Because you feel that very way.

Well, as surprising as it may be, the way you feel isn't really that unique to what everyone else feels. It's not a matter of stalking a woman or annoying them, but making them feel like the world revolves around them when you're with them. Contrary to what is the common belief on this forum you should be a nice guy from time to time to a woman when you are spending time with her.

Ever feel really good when someone who you wouldn't think would, suddenly makes you feel like there is no one else in the world but you? Well that's what you gotta do to her. Open the door for her, smile, look at her in the eyes and tell her how beautiful you think she is, stroke her hair, go out of your way to do something nice for her. That's not to say that you should annoy her, but just as you would like her to do those things to you, you should do them to her.

The reason why going way over the top with it puts people off is because when a guy does this it doesn't make them feel special, but rather gives off the impression that he has nothing better to do. When you see a guy hitting on every girl, failing miserably, they fail because they give off the impression to the girl they are going after that they will go for anyone and that they are not special.

ON MEETING WOMEN
There was something that has always been a topic of conversation amongst my friends and I that my sister finally clarified. It's when you're in a social situation and a gorgeous girl will go nuts for you, but an average one won't even give you the time of day.

Well you have to think about it this way. Have you ever seen a girl and at first glance thought that they would never waste their time to talk to you so you didn't even bother trying? Well that's just that. A lot of people are under the traditional mode of thinking that guys are the pursuers. So for some women, their way hitting on someone is by trying to lure someone. If they don't think they have a chance with you, then maybe they don't want to waste their time.

What this means is that just because someone seems like they don't like you, it doesn't mean that it's true. Try staring at someone you're interesting in approaching until they look at you. To state the obvious on this website, eye contact is extremely powerful, so keep doing it (smile while doing it) and study how they respond. That should give you the REAL ANSWER as to whether you should approach them or not.

ON CONFIDENCE
It comes down to this... Be yourself. Nothing annoys me about this site more than that damn post on the main page about how you shouldn't be yourself. Maybe you shouldn't be lazy and anti-social, but you shouldn't deny yourself. Being yourself has everything to do with confidence, and confidence is what this whole site dedicates itself to teaching us. If you're not yourself, then you're only going to be an insecure, pathetic loser who is chasing some fantasy world. Be yourself and be yourself with pride; don't make any excuses. For example, I'm not afraid to tell people that I have a lot of gay guy friends or that I play Magic Cards with a my Magic Card friends when I have nothing to do. If I'm strapped for cash I'll tell my friends that I can't go out to bars that weekend. In fact, I brag about it and if anyone thinks less of me about those things, then I couldn't care less, especially if it's a girl.

By being yourself, you demand people to respect you for who you are, and more often then not, the people who you think would judge you often do similar things. We're all humans, we all eat, sh*t, drink, and piss, and we all more or less think similarly, we just find different ways to hide it. By being yourself, you realize that many people are just like you.

Everyone is under this grand illusion that they have to project themselves as the trendy characters from TV shows and movies. But being someone that works in the film and television industry, it's all BS. The actors who you think are too cool for school are really down to earth people, just like you or me, when the camera isn't on them. The characters put on screen, especially for comedy are specifically written to be characters that have serious flaws. I guarantee you that if you met a real Seinfeld character or even a Tyler Durden from Fight Club, you wouldn't really want to be friends with them in real life, you would just think they were *******s.



So just remember, you're an amazing person, don't let anyone tell you likewise.
 

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I agree with much of what you said, especially about not being afraid of who you are. Be proud and do it with confidence. That means be social and open, but if you are into certain things or act a particular way, which all of us are having individual quirks, stand up for what you believe in and don't care what anyone else says.
 

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Originally posted by JohnnyLegard
By being yourself, you demand people to respect you for who you are, and more often then not, the people who you think would judge you often do similar things. We're all humans, we all eat, sh*t, drink, and piss, and we all more or less think similarly, we just find different ways to hide it. By being yourself, you realize that many people are just like you.
I couldnt agree with this more. it's a process getting tothis level of thinking though. 5 years ago id lock myself in my room and have anxiety(not really) attacks at the thought of being in a public/social situation. Not i absolutely love it cause i found that ppl...like me are everywhere, and almost everyones just out to have a good time... like me.
I like the way you said...we find different ways to hide it. really thought provoking.
bottom line: be yourself, learn from mistakes, and be able to laugh at urself when you make those mistakes once in a way. loosen up, and have a good time. i guess.
 

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5 stars man, your sis just needed to add one more thing.

Not everybody has a direnct need to feel special. HB8+ are usually more trickier, cause you fon't get them to feel special with the traditional stuff and each and every of them has to be rubbed in her own different way.

Seduction is a skill, where you learn to identify the person's needs and the way he wants them to be satisfied. A person who doesn't want anything can't be seduced.
 

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ya know, what you say is true about making someone feel special.

I met a HB9 a few years back, and I was a TOTAL AFC.

I was the best person to this girl, I tryed to always make her feel good about herself, remembered her bdays, valentines, got excited with her when she got a promotion/graduated school, did everything I could to make her feel like a HUMAN instead of some sex object

she told me "you really make me feel special, whereas other guys just use me for sex and dont see me for who I really am and thats why I like you so much"

granted, I later learned she was "damaged goods", she eventually became so used to my kindness, that she became bored and dumped me. Now she is dating some construction worker who treats her like sh1t.

maybe I did something wrong in the relationship, but the fact still holds true, if you make a woman feel special in the beginning phases of a relationship, she will be all over you.
 

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I'm guessing that HB means hot babe. I don't it's a whole lot different for a women who's beautiful. You just put her on your level.

Looks are only looks, they know that especially if they're single. Guys fail when hitting on them because they say moronic things like "hey you wanna feel my throbbing muscles" rather than just being sincere. They treat them basically like a piece of meat, and the woman knows that they just want to f*ck her. They put them on some pillar and act like they are a prize to be won, which can be flattering from time to time but gets boring when that happens all the time.

You have to think about it this way. If you were a hot babe who got cheesy lines thrown at you all the time, what would be the ideal person? For me and what has worked for me is just showing that you sincerely like her. Don't look at her breasts, don't get all sleazy on her, and have class.

I also believe that a lot of people don't think the right way before they talk, and I do believe that a lot of that comes from trying to be someone you're not.
 

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interesting.

if you havent already, id highly recommend you check out the writings of Pook, and Gunwitch. their concepts and yours relate to eachother. it flows from the idea that you should be natural; not someone who, like a computer memorizes hundreds of scripts for each possible outcome..

both Pook and Gunwitch focus on the "be a man" mentality. that is, be your (better, manly) self. have a life, with hobbies that interest you. have fun. when you meet women, realize that they enjoy and need sex as much as you do. remember that, but stay subtle. display your sexual attraction to them with eye contact, with your vibe, with kino. WITH YOUR BODY, and MIND. not verbally. like you said, show some class!

unless the girl is trashy, raunchy sex talk (outside of given bedroom situations) is a turnoff. simply because due to todays social conditioning, most women dont want to appear slutty. but they cant deny the feeling of attraction. with certain exceptions, it doesnt really matter WHAT youre talking about - just get the sexual vibe going.

be upfront and honest; sincere. sure, tease 'em once in a while but dont be mean about it.

it can be that easy. you dont have to play games or hypnotize women to have a good time with them - whether to you, a good time is a deeply emotional LTR, or something more short-term. =)

heres a quick like to the "Gunwitch Method" - http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46286

the vast majority of pooks threads are still on the board. do a search and enjoy. his "Be a Man" and "Secret of the Jerk" posts are wonderful.

have fun,
SLB.
 

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YES!! BUYING WOMEN FLOWERS AND TREATING THEM LIKE THEY ARE SPECIAL WORKS WONDERS!!!! JUST BE REAL NICE TO THEM AND THEY WILL ADORE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONLY GUY THATS EVER TRIED TO MAKE THEM FEEL SPECIAL BY DOING THINGS SUCH AS THIS!! ADD THIS THREAD INTO THE BIBLE ASAP!
 

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some things to note

what you and your sister say is true to a certain degree.
i agree with making women feel special, and when they're lost, they know they have you to protect and guide them.

you make them feel special by doing it gradually....if you fake yourself and give her everything at once, and slowly take that away...she will notice it. but doing it gradually from less intimacy to more, IL will build up.

on "just be yourself" you can do that but many times you'll just fail miserably. my opinion is to be yourself + grow as an individual. i used to be "nice guy" but over the past year, my attitude towards women have changed to mr. C+F and smooth talker, i still am stil true to myself and others. my attitude is not "faked", but yet i've grown as an individual and corrected my flaws to make me a better person. my old me was weak and insecure, my new me is my more confident side.

I believe there was an old post in hte TIPS section, where there is no such thing as "being yourself". whomever you are is borrowed from someone else...your accent, your fashion, your attitude, your morals. BE someone better, strive to use your potential to become someone that you appreciate and others will.

also, have you forgotten not to listen to women?? even they themselves dont know what they want...what they say they want is not always true. Attraction is illogical, if it was logical, there'd be a list a rules for how to get a mate.
 

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To the Original Poster,

For the most part, nice post. Will reply in more detail when I have more energy (and less alcohol).

Ice Cold,

You said
A person who doesn't want anything can't be seduced.
Profound! Honestly. This applies to much more than getting women... Why? Someone else answer, please.

I Have Risen
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Originally posted by TheRisingSon
To the Original Poster,

For the most part, nice post. Will reply in more detail when I have more energy (and less alcohol).

Ice Cold,

You said

Profound! Honestly. This applies to much more than getting women... Why? Someone else answer, please.

I Have Risen
Seduction is based upon filling gaps.

When your seducing someone, your filling a gap that is making them attracted to you, because your the only one at that point in time (or ever, if you ARE a dj) who can fill that gap.

Good job :)
 

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Very good post. There is a big difference between trying to make her feel special and failing, and doing it and succeeding. To really make her feel special you have to make it come from a confident, successful guy who is going somewhere in life and wants her along for the ride, not from a lowly, sad lonely guy who comes off as NEEDY.
 
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