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What do women want?

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What do women want?


Sigmund Freud famously asked the question, but he didn't have an answer. Even today, the question of what motivates female sexual desire continues to resound. Definitive answers have proven elusive.

For women, the story is different. The female body, studies show (link is external), likes everything, or at least responds to everything (or does not know what it likes, some cynics will say). Female physiological arousal (as measured by vaginal lubrication) occurs in response to viewing most any type of sexual activity: man with woman, woman with woman, man with man. Even watching sex among Bonobo monkeys stimulates physiological arousal in women.


Indeed, it turns out that unlike men, women’s objective bodily responses don’t reflect their subjective mental desires. This is one reason Viagra does not work for women. Physical preparedness does not imply desire. That the woman can have sex does not mean she wants to.


On one hand, there is considerable evidence that women seek and place a premium on a sense of intimacy and emotional closeness with their sexual partners. The reasons for this seem clear and logical: Having but one uterus to fill with one fetus at a time, a woman gains no obvious evolutionary advantage from promiscuity. For women, possessing no seed to spread, sex with more people does not result in more potential genetic offspring. Moreover, women are at higher risk than men for sexual violence and sexually transmitted diseases, not to mention the unique risk of pregnancy. It pays for women to be careful in choosing their sexual partners.

In addition, the female orgasm is less reliably achieved than the male’s so their odds of enjoying casual or anonymous sex are lower. A woman who wants to increase her chances of enjoyment and minimize her chances of harm is better off getting to know her partner well before she gets to sex. From this logic follows the claim that women are bio-programmed to want relationships, not sex; that they need a stable, intimate relationship to feel aroused and are therefore built for sexual monogamy and marriage.

Problem solved?

Not so fast. First, more recent studies show that gender differences in reported number of sexual partners are reduced or disappear altogether if women are told that they are connected to a lie detector and that the information they provide will remain confidential. In other words, when women feel safe enough or otherwise compelled to tell the truth about their sexual behavior, the story they tell more closely resembles the male story.

Moreover, if women believe that they will not be harmed and that the sex will be good, their willingness to engage in casual sex equals that of men. The female tendency toward a roving eye can also be inferred, according to the work of evolutionary psychologist David Buss (link is external), from the very phenomenon of male jealousy, which is common in all societies and consistently related to men’s fears of potential cuckoldry. If women really do not want extra marital sex, then why are men so suspicious and jealous? Why put Stop signs on a street with no traffic?

Moreover, the evidence suggests that women initiate divorce more often than men, and benefit less from marriage than do men on measures of health, happiness, and wealth. Additionally, as is well known to clinical psychologists and marriage counselors everywhere, many women who feel close to a loving partner nevertheless fail to feel passion for him. Australian researcher Lorraine Dennerstein found that the decline in women's libido over the years of adulthood is strongly linked to the loss of sexual interest in their long time partners.

If monogamy, intimacy and communication are the engines of female desire, why do so many women fail to ignite with a familiar and faithful man? Why does their passion fizzle in marriage? Why will they seek to secretly graze in foreign pastures? Why do they not benefit from the monogamous arrangement more? Why do they break it up more readily?


Women with higher libidos are more likely to feel desire toward members of both sexes.

Marta Meana, a researcher at the University of Nevada, has argued provocatively (link is external) that the organizing principle of female sexuality is the desire to be desired. In her view, the delicate, tentative guy who politely thinks about you and asks if this is okay or that is okay is a guy who may meet the expectations of your gender politics (treats me as an equal; is respectful of me; communicates with me) and your parents’ preferences, but he may also put you into a sexual coma—not despite these qualities, but because of them.

Female desire, according to Meana, is activated when a woman feels overwhelmingly desired, not rationally considered. Female erotic literature, including all those shades of gray, is built on this fantasy. Sexual desire in this view does not work according to our expectations and social values. Desire seeks the path of desire, not the path of righteousness. It thrives not on social order but on its negation. This is one reason all religions and societies try to control, contain, limit and re-direct it.

Despite what is commonly believed, then, Meana argues that female sexuality is more self-centered than male’s. Mick Jagger’s lamentations (link is external) aside, male fantasies focus on giving satisfaction, not on receiving it. Men see themselves in their fantasies bringing the woman to orgasm, not themselves. Women see the man, set aflame by uncontrollable lust for them, bringing them to ecstasy. Men want to excite women. Women want men to excite them. Being desired is the real female orgasm,
Meana asserts that this aspect of female sexuality explains the prevalence of rape fantasies in the female fantasy repertoire. Rape fantasies, in this understanding, are actually fantasies about surrender, not out of masochistic yearnings to be harmed or punished, but out of the female desire to be desired by a man to the point of driving him out of control. By this logic, the fantasy is actually about surrendering voluntarily after the coveted man, in his inability to stop himself, attests to the woman’s own supreme desirability.

According to this view, monogamous marriage does work for women on a certain level: it provides security, intimacy, and help with the children. But it also suffocates female sexual desire. As the mischievous author Toni Bentley (link is external) wrote recently: “There is virtually no female sexual problem—hormonal, menopausal, orgasmic, or just plain old lack of interest—that will not be solved by—ta-da!—a new lover.”

At the end of the day, the accumulating evidence appears to reveal a paradoxical element at the core of female desire, a tension between two conflicting motives. On the one hand is the desire for stability, intimacy, and security—picture the flame on the burner of a gas stove: controlled, utilitarian, domesticated, and good for making dinner. On the other hand is the need to feel totally, uncontrollably desired, the object of raw, primal lust—a house on fire.
 

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"Marta Meana"... I would be cautious accepting the conclusions of a study assessing women, designed and run by a women. Definitely the possibility of some bias there.

Anyway...what do women want? It's not that difficult to explain from the high-level view point. David Buss' book does a fine job of compiling the most relevant results of scientific studies on genders.

Women seek two things: 1) genes (less often) and 2) resources (more often)

It's always been easy for a women to get #1. Not much trouble there.

As for #2....in today's feminist environment, women can obtain resources all by themselves. Most modern women value having 100% control of those resources versus having more resources with a man, but having to give up that 100% control.

Yes women want to be desired. There is a primal urge to secure resources and being desirable is a great way to secure men's resources. Most women want to be desired but don't want the negative of what securing a man's resources involves (e.g., risk of an unwanted pregnancy, and risk of giving up control of resources). But being desired does give women a '"safety cushion".

Regarding monogamy, yes women are designed to hide ovulation and seek out additional partners while pretending the new offspring are from the original partner. Women by design, deceive, branch swing, mate poach, and do other fun things - all for the good of the species.

Here's an analogy...in Africa an antelope gets caught by a lion....what does the antelope do? It screams, making some of the most awful sounds that you will ever hear.

Why does it scream, will it stop the lion? Nope.

Will the scream help the antelope be rescued by its own kind or by humans? Nope.

Will the scream warn others of it's species not to approach and maybe save some antelope? You bet!!!! When an animal screams, it's final moments are for the good of the species. It's last act. But the poor creature really isn't thinking about the good of the species in the final act. It is subconsciously warning the other antelope.​

There's not much of difference between an antelope scream and the behavior/actions of women. It's always for the good of the species, not consciously thought out, and almost never for the good of the man.

That being said, there are situations where women still need men and still value men, but those situations are rapidly shrinking in today's world.

That, in a nutshell, is what women want.
 

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That makes sense from the point of resource control. But what about social status. Every woman I know at my work is married or has a boyfriend in spite of already having jobs that pay them more than enough to survive.

What I do see at work is that they are socially competitive every moment of the day.
 

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Women want a partner who will do everything they want when they want.
If you arent doing what she wants when she wants she will not be happy and harm the connection you two share.
This is today's woman of course.
The days of a woman loving and taking care of a man for providing her with love, support and resources is GONE. Today's woman has so many ORITORS hanging around like ***** leaches that it has destroyed her ability to know what is a good man and to hold onto him.
Woman now view us on following their orders and being beta bitches...
which is why i will remain never married.
 

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A lot of conflicting things in this report..

The ones that jump out on me are that the whole rape analogy and how it's the intense desire a male has for her that makes her actually want it... Everything here teaches that too much attention/supplication will turn a woman off. I've found this to be true in my own experiences as well... Being confident in pursuing is key, while chasing with obsession is detrimental. My own experiences can validate this.

Women want a partner who will do everything they want when they want.
If you arent doing what she wants when she wants she will not be happy and harm the connection you two share.
This is today's woman of course.
The days of a woman loving and taking care of a man for providing her with love, support and resources is GONE. Today's woman has so many ORITORS hanging around like ***** leaches that it has destroyed her ability to know what is a good man and to hold onto him.
Woman now view us on following their orders and being beta bitches...
which is why i will remain never married.
Completely disagree... There needs to be give and take here but if you simply succumb to every woman's demand you're a chump and she will be turned off internally.
 

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A lot of conflicting things in this report..

The ones that jump out on me are that the whole rape analogy and how it's the intense desire a male has for her that makes her actually want it... Everything here teaches that too much attention/supplication will turn a woman off. I've found this to be true in my own experiences as well... Being confident in pursuing is key, while chasing with obsession is detrimental. My own experiences can validate this.

Completely disagree... There needs to be give and take here but if you simply succumb to every woman's demand you're a chump and she will be turned off internally.
I am talking about after the chase and courting her, after the magic of falling in love. A few years down the road into a ltr this is what happens with the woman (unless u found an extraordinary one) this is today's woman. Spoiled brat with narcissiric princess syndrome.
No value or fulfilment in being a good wife or partner taking care of her man. Instead they see themselves as being exploited as a slave. Today's woman is a disgrace and divorced multiple times. Cooking? Hell no they should be taken out 3x a week. Cleaning? Ya right they dont do dishes. Gice their kids attention? Nope too busy on fb.
Today's woman is an embarrassment.
I am 38 amd have dated 3 years up and 9 years down my now ex of 3 years is 29. Ahe is a bum in every way.
The oldest girl i dated was genuine and giving and caring to the fullest.
Of course being alpha and dominate intrigued the younger gf who was 26 when i started dating her, she use to betta ***** boys so my dominace/personality (i boxed a few fights pro and played minor league baseball a few years when i was younger) had her infatuated with me, i was different, composed yet dominate and confident tho sweet but once her in love wore off she went back to her lazy spoiled brat self a year into the relationship and offered notjing8but "what can u do for me" traits.
Worthless.
 
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I am talking about after the chase and courting her, after the magic of falling in love. A feew years down the road into a ltr this is what happens with the woman (unless u found an extraordinary one) this is today's woman. Spoiledbrat woth narcissiric princess syndrome.
No value or fulfilment in being a good wifeor partner taking care of her man.
I definitely agree that this happens as I've seen it with every LTR I've been in. I don't agree that they get turned off if you don't succumb to everything though... You do have to listen to some annoying nagging though!
 

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I am talking about after the chase and courting her, after the magic of falling in love. A feew years down the road into a ltr this is what happens with the woman (unless u found an extraordinary one) this is today's woman. Spoiledbrat woth narcissiric princess syndrome.
No value or fulfilment in being a good wifeor partner taking care of her man.
I like how you put this. "No value or fulfillment in being a good wife or a good partner taking care of her man"... Literally you will be giving to a "black hole" when you deal with one of those.

Have you ever seen a female that's that selfish turn around and become loving and a good partner?
 

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I like how you put this. "No value or fulfillment in being a good wife or a good partner taking care of her man"... Literally you will be giving to a "black hole" when you deal with one of those.

Have you ever seen a female that's that selfish turn around and become loving and a good partner?
Nope never have.
My ex is now 29, her parents are in their 70s and a few years back i remember her telling me she doesnt like how her mom is a slave to her dad. Her parents are wonderful, her mom loves to cook and the family parties are always at their home, anyways i told her her mom is not a slave that she takes pride in taking care of her husband and a way of showing love and compassion is cooking for him and making him a plate, it is fulfilling to her to do this, the guy still works heavy equipment for God's sakes.
This girl didnt get it. This became our joke as time went on i teased her and she began making me plates and dinner, then this last year she made me dinner ONE time, fuuking once but complained she didnt live with me, i took her out to eat all the time and she complained about that, she did some other **** where i bailed but i told her she isnt moving in for me to take care, show me what u offer but she refused. She expected me to do step dad things wogh her and her kid and take care of her like a wife but did nothing on her end. She is out gone. These girls dont get it
 

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Nope never have.
My ex is now 29, her parents are in their 70s and a few years back i remember her telling me she doesnt like how her mom is a slave to her dad. Her parents are wonderful, her mom loves to cook and the family parties are always at their home, anyways i told her her mom is not a slave that she takes pride in taking care of her husband and a way of showing love and compassion is cooking for him and making him a plate, it is fulfilling to her to do this, the guy still works heavy equipment for God's sakes.
This girl didnt get it. This became our joke as time went on i teased her and she began making me plates and dinner, then this last year she made me dinner ONE time, fuuking once but complained she didnt live with me, i took her out to eat all the time and she complained about that, she did some other **** where i bailed but i told her she isnt moving in for me to take care, show me what u offer but she refused. She expected me to do step dad things wogh her and her kid and take care of her like a wife but did nothing on her end. She is out gone. These girls dont get it
Yeah, that scenario... How the h3ll you gonna eat out, and I make or get you dinner and you can't be bothered to even cook for me. They are doing this...
 

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Nope never have.
My ex is now 29, her parents are in their 70s and a few years back i remember her telling me she doesnt like how her mom is a slave to her dad. Her parents are wonderful, her mom loves to cook and the family parties are always at their home, anyways i told her her mom is not a slave that she takes pride in taking care of her husband and a way of showing love and compassion is cooking for him and making him a plate, it is fulfilling to her to do this, the guy still works heavy equipment for God's sakes.
This girl didnt get it. This became our joke as time went on i teased her and she began making me plates and dinner, then this last year she made me dinner ONE time, fuuking once but complained she didnt live with me, i took her out to eat all the time and she complained about that, she did some other **** where i bailed but i told her she isnt moving in for me to take care, show me what u offer but she refused. She expected me to do step dad things wogh her and her kid and take care of her like a wife but did nothing on her end. She is out gone. These girls dont get it
Here goes what I say. People can CHANGE, but they usually 99% won't change for YOU. You personally did your job by bailing on her and not supporting her BS. Maybe she go thru a few more situations like you dished to her, she will decide it's not worth being the way she is... If you went along with it, she would become more hardened into her selfish ways.
 

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Nope never have.
My ex is now 29, her parents are in their 70s and a few years back i remember her telling me she doesnt like how her mom is a slave to her dad. Her parents are wonderful, her mom loves to cook and the family parties are always at their home, anyways i told her her mom is not a slave that she takes pride in taking care of her husband and a way of showing love and compassion is cooking for him and making him a plate, it is fulfilling to her to do this, the guy still works heavy equipment for God's sakes.
This girl didnt get it. This became our joke as time went on i teased her and she began making me plates and dinner, then this last year she made me dinner ONE time, fuuking once but complained she didnt live with me, i took her out to eat all the time and she complained about that, she did some other **** where i bailed but i told her she isnt moving in for me to take care, show me what u offer but she refused. She expected me to do step dad things wogh her and her kid and take care of her like a wife but did nothing on her end. She is out gone. These girls dont get it
Dude, we call these "LEECHES". They will drink and drain you, but give very little to NONE if they can get away with it. I personally do know some GOOD women. If their man is good to them, he can have sex when he wants. He will get feminine treatment, cooked for, massaged, she will even help out somewhat financially if she is working....
 

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Here goes what I say. People can CHANGE, but they usually 99% won't change for YOU. You personally did your job by bailing on her and not supporting her BS. Maybe she go thru a few more situations like you dished to her, she will decide it's not worth being the way she is... If you went along with it, she would become more hardened into her selfish ways.
Yep. She will forever suffer.
I raised my son alone for 17 years and i tried to be the partner i yearned for. I would have given anything over the years to have someone like me that i gave to her.
I was beyond wonderful, not a ***** but excellent, i open the car door every time for a woman not just because she deserves it but also spitefully that if she ****s up the relstionship she will regret it forever when she realozes the next guy doesnt do **** like that for her but i did ha.
We didnt get along because im alpha and she is a spoiled brat who tries to walk all over everyone. I always told her she needs a ***** as a bf because i cant do it, not buikt to be treated like that, why we always clashed.
 

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Dude, we call these "LEECHES". They will drink and drain you, but give very little to NONE if they can get away with it. I personally do know some GOOD women. If their man is good to them, he can have sex when he wants. He will get feminine treatment, cooked for, massaged, she will even help out somewhat financially if she is working....
Yep all that matters to tbem is what u are doing for them.

I know of no girls like that, maybe two who are married and are good wives. That is all.
 

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Yep all that matters to tbem is what u are doing for them.

I know of no girls like that, maybe two who are married and are good wives. That is all.
Do you think there is anyway to get them "what they are supposed to be doing" by manipulating their NATURE? IE: perhaps thru intense competition, ignoring them, playing certain games it can motivate them to do what they should be doing?
 

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It is a paradox, which is why it is confusing.

For all involved. Men here go on about that women do not know what they want (the cartoon above is quite funny because it contains so much truth in a general sense.)

A woman may know what she wants when she sees it. More on that later.

A man isn't going to know what a particular woman wants if she doesn't know herself, so the man is left to play the odds and do things that are more likely to set the odds in his favor, all the while observing the woman's response and calibrating his behavior. If the woman has interest she is also observing & calibrating.

This is why "women" are exhausting and why "women" are so much work! The man is busy trying (both consciously and subconsciously) to be what appeals to the woman HE finds attractive.

That is not entirely a terrible thing...it's called "game" and pursuit if done properly.

The thing is that people are not static. People are dynamic. We all take information, process it and adjust. As we do this our awareness develops and our perspective changes. And some people gain awareness faster or younger than others. Some people never do learn.

Look for example at this community. Many guys come here & learn to improve from the individual & collective experience here & get better results.

I believe that an emotionally healthy woman wants a man who she desires sexually who also desires her. Out of this reciprocal desire intimacy, connection, erotic trust, depth etc. develop. Emotionally healthy women want these things. But it is all rooted in mutual desire.

By emotionally healthy I mean self aware, healthy self esteem & self assured.

Many women are none of those things. However I'll tell you how I evaluate men & try & offer some insight from the ladies' powder room.

It's always on 2 criteria. Only 2.

Criteria 1: Fvckability. Are you a man she desires sexually? This is an instantaneous yes/no on sight for me & for many women.

And just because you passed with flying colors doesn't mean she'll bed you right away as everyone with any tenure here should know.

As a man this criteria is why your own best version is important. You get one chance to make this impression. This is where the lifting, workouts, manner of dress, style and grooming pay off. But you have to prepare in advance for best results.

Criteria 2: Everything else. Seriously. This varies tremendously from woman to woman based on whatever her particular checklist includes.

Here is where it gets interesting. There are 3 general interpretations of what women want based on Criteria 1, fvckability and criteria 2, everything else.

Group 1: Cares only about Criteria 1 and may not yet have developed Criteria 2. Typically younger, more casual, just wanna have fun types or older types looking for good sex. These women like/place high value on sex but may not want or be relationship material.

Group 2: Cares only about Criteria 2. I think of single women this is the biggest group. They want a man who ticks the boxes on the checklist and Criteria 1 is secondary if on the radar screen at all. These are women who may not like sex, or have decided men they desire sexually are "bad" and they want a "nice" guy and they'll deal with the sex bit later. This group includes women who settle, women who manipulate, women who give sex in exchange for the Criteria 2 list. Sex may dry up or become mercy sex after she gets what she wants. My guess is many men on SS are familiar with some version of Group 2.

Group 3: Requires both Criteria 1 and Criteria 2. This group includes more marriage material women, more self aware women; women who are patient and have a more abundant mentality so they look for a man they desire and then from that subset evaluate versus the individualized Criteria 2. This is a small group relative to group 2.

Women from any group can be high interest. Your job is to discern WHY she is high interest and proceed accordingly from there.
 
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Do you think there is anyway to get them "what they are supposed to be doing" by manipulating their NATURE? IE: perhaps thru intense competition, ignoring them, playing certain games it can motivate them to do what they should be doing?
I thought it would. Not playing games per say but my ex wanted to move in, she is bipolar which got bad this year, i told her i am not moving her in w her frequent emotional outbursts which included breaking things off she always tried to get back tog immediately but it makes things dysfunctional, and i didnt want a relationship where she is threatening to move out sll the time. Told her take her meds consitently whixh she never did and get along and help out. Nope she cooked once in a ****ing year yet expected me to take care of her like a wife in every way.
She just got worse, more stubborn and ****ty for not getting her way.
Even admitted it the other day.
Having princess syndrome didnt help.
She will either be divorced 10x or no one will deal w her ****.
The only reason i did was because my older sister who has a wonderful heart suffers from bipolar, and secondly im stupid to think this girl would improve. Haha. Nope.
Got worse.
Had to bail and it does hurt because i have that feeling of betrayal and not being appreciated
 

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It is a paradox, which is why it is confusing.

For all involved. Men here go on about that women do not know what they want (the cartoon above is quite funny because it contains so much truth in a general sense.)

A woman may know what she wants when she sees it. More on that later.

A man isn't going to know what a particular woman wants if she doesn't know herself, so the man is left to play the odds and do things that are more likely to set the odds in his favor, all the while observing the woman's response and calibrating his behavior. If the woman has interest she is also observing & calibrating.

This is why "women" are exhausting and why "women" are so much work! The man is busy trying (both consciously and subconsciously) to be what appeals to the woman HE finds attractive.

That is not entirely a terrible thing...it's called "game" and pursuit if done properly.

The thing is that people are not static. People are dynamic. We all take information, process it and adjust. As we do this our awareness develops and our perspective changes. And some people gain awareness faster or younger than others. Some people never do learn.

Look for example at this community. Many guys come here & learn to improve from the individual & collective experience here & get better results.

I believe that an emotionally healthy woman wants a man who she desires sexually who also desires her.

By emotionally healthy I mean self aware, healthy self esteem & self assured.

Many women are none of those things. However I'll tell you how I evaluate men & try & offer some insight from the ladies' powder room.

It's always on 2 criteria. Only 2.

Criteria 1: Fvckability. Are you a man she desires sexually? This is an instantaneous yes/no on sight for me & for many women.

And just because you passed with flying colors doesn't mean she'll bed you right away as everyone with any tenure here should know.

As a man this criteria is why your own best version is important. You get one chance to make this impression. This is where the lifting, workouts, manner of dress, style and grooming pay off. But you have to prepare in advance for best results.

Criteria 2: Everything else. Seriously. This varies tremendously from woman to woman based on whatever her particular checklist includes.

Here is where it gets interesting. There are 3 general interpretations of what women want based on Criteria 1, fvckability and criteria 2, everything else.

Group 1: Cares only about Criteria 1 and may not yet have developed Criteria 2. Typically younger, more casual, just wanna have fun types or older types looking for good sex. These women like/place high value on sex but may not want or be relationship material.

Group 2: Cares only about Criteria 2. I think of single women this is the biggest group. They want a man who ticks the boxes on the checklist and Criteria 1 is secondary if on the radar screen at all. These are women who may not like sex, or have decided men they desire sexually are "bad" and they want a "nice" guy and they'll deal with the sex bit later. This group includes women who settle, women who manipulate, women who give sex in exchange for the Criteria 2 list. Sex may dry up or become mercy sex after she gets what she wants. My guess is many men on SS are familiar with some version of Group 2.

Group 3: Requires both Criteria 1 and Criteria 2. This group includes more marriage material women, more self aware women; women who are patient and have a more abundant mentality so they look for a man they desire and then from that subset evaluate versus the individualized Criteria 2. This is a small group relative to group 2.

Women from any group can be high interest. Your job is to discern WHY she is high interest and proceed accordingly from there.
This is good. It is important that we can always fit in "group 1", and never get complacent enough to slip out. Still some women are like men in that they feel that "new" or "different" is always more interesting than what they have at home.
 

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It is a paradox, which is why it is confusing.

For all involved. Men here go on about that women do not know what they want (the cartoon above is quite funny because it contains so much truth in a general sense.)

A woman may know what she wants when she sees it. More on that later.

A man isn't going to know what a particular woman wants if she doesn't know herself, so the man is left to play the odds and do things that are more likely to set the odds in his favor, all the while observing the woman's response and calibrating his behavior. If the woman has interest she is also observing & calibrating.

This is why "women" are exhausting and why "women" are so much work! The man is busy trying (both consciously and subconsciously) to be what appeals to the woman HE finds attractive.

That is not entirely a terrible thing...it's called "game" and pursuit if done properly.

The thing is that people are not static. People are dynamic. We all take information, process it and adjust. As we do this our awareness develops and our perspective changes. And some people gain awareness faster or younger than others. Some people never do learn.

Look for example at this community. Many guys come here & learn to improve from the individual & collective experience here & get better results.

I believe that an emotionally healthy woman wants a man who she desires sexually who also desires her.

By emotionally healthy I mean self aware, healthy self esteem & self assured.

Many women are none of those things. However I'll tell you how I evaluate men & try & offer some insight from the ladies' powder room.

It's always on 2 criteria. Only 2.

Criteria 1: Fvckability. Are you a man she desires sexually? This is an instantaneous yes/no on sight for me & for many women.

And just because you passed with flying colors doesn't mean she'll bed you right away as everyone with any tenure here should know.

As a man this criteria is why your own best version is important. You get one chance to make this impression. This is where the lifting, workouts, manner of dress, style and grooming pay off. But you have to prepare in advance for best results.

Criteria 2: Everything else. Seriously. This varies tremendously from woman to woman based on whatever her particular checklist includes.

Here is where it gets interesting. There are 3 general interpretations of what women want based on Criteria 1, fvckability and criteria 2, everything else.

Group 1: Cares only about Criteria 1 and may not yet have developed Criteria 2. Typically younger, more casual, just wanna have fun types or older types looking for good sex. These women like/place high value on sex but may not want or be relationship material.

Group 2: Cares only about Criteria 2. I think of single women this is the biggest group. They want a man who ticks the boxes on the checklist and Criteria 1 is secondary if on the radar screen at all. These are women who may not like sex, or have decided men they desire sexually are "bad" and they want a "nice" guy and they'll deal with the sex bit later. This group includes women who settle, women who manipulate, women who give sex in exchange for the Criteria 2 list. Sex may dry up or become mercy sex after she gets what she wants. My guess is many men on SS are familiar with some version of Group 2.

Group 3: Requires both Criteria 1 and Criteria 2. This group includes more marriage material women, more self aware women; women who are patient and have a more abundant mentality so they look for a man they desire and then from that subset evaluate versus the individualized Criteria 2. This is a small group relative to group 2.

Women from any group can be high interest. Your job is to discern WHY she is high interest and proceed accordingly from there.
3years tog with my ex of two months now and sexually it was better and better. Even the last time, we had an out of this world connection, she even mentioned this again 2 weeks ago. .sadly she is bipolar, lazy and a spoiled brat. Im not kidding.
Ive raised my son alone 17 years nowx recently her kid had a soccer game and she got her mcdonalds, two days later another game so i cooked her chicken veggirs and fruit while this mom was on fb the whole time. I said she needs good fokd to run and perform not garbage (my mom fed us well i plsyed all sports)

These girls are nesr worthless today.
With a few here and there
 
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