we're raised to be AFC's

[humiliator]

I had to read Civilization and its Discontents by Sigmund Freud for a class in college. (Ok, so really I just skimmed the first half of it). One of Freud's main points is that in the transition from primitive man to civilized man, we have suppressed our natural instincts, particularly our sexuality. (Though I think we are becoming more and more liberal about sexuality. i.e. Elvis's hip wiggling being considered obscene compared to Michael Jackson's crotch grabbing and Janet Jackson's nipple exposure).

This is somewhat similar to the Beat poetry movement in that both Freud and the Beats don't like how we project an idealized view of our society to each other.

This got me thinking about why most guys have the completely wrong idea about women. Before I started serious attempts to go out with girls, they really appeared to be something other than people. (They didn't seem "real"). From the image I was given by my parents, TV, etc. it seemed like sex was something women "give" to men, and that they didn't truly feel sexual attraction toward men on their own - they only felt it toward a guy they'd been dating.

In this thread, Bile said:

i think tv is part of the cause of that this site even exists...

However, he was suggesting that TV shows are made to appeal to the AFC because the AFC is, well, the average guy. What I'm suggesting is that AFC's are projecting what they wish romantic interactions with women were like, and those of us who don't know any better take this as being fairly close to reality.

Do you guys agree or disagree that we are fed the image of the AFC (at least in western societies)? I've heard that in Europe people are more open about sexuality than here in the USA (nudity on billboards, more topless beaches, etc.). Anyone from Europe want to comment on this?

Do you think that when you have kids you are going to make a concious effort to prevent them from becoming AFC's?

 

[JT47319]

White American (and Asian American too for that matter) is very AFC. Listen to the music. Watch those sappy movies.

Now if you want to hear how REAL women act in a sexual manner, listen to tons of hip-hop music. Regardless of your musical preferences, those guys are telling the truth how WOMEN (white, black, asian, etc) all act in clubs as well as every day life.

They KNOW how sexual women are, they don't cover it up with maudlin romantic notions.

 

[seize_the_pattern]

The oppression of sexual drifts and behaviour is older than TV. Dont forget that for example in our culture christianity developped sex into something to be ashamed of so the powers that be/where (depends on where you live) could "surf the waves of the citizens frustrations"

I do realize that this is very superficially stated, I could keep going on with this kind of shyte forever. Its kind of what I do in school.
The way these insticts have been corrupted in order to gain power and use fear guilt to develop this power has known many forms throughout history and the culture-industry (of which television is a briliant example) is very good at this too.

What is worse now is that there is not One Group of Instutution that has a direct approach in "suppression of the crowd". It is very spread over many mindsets and types of manifestations.

 

[DJDamage]

Everything you see or hear will be interpreted by you ,both on a conscious level and subconscious level. Therefore when ever you see, hear or read AFC's material you subconscious mind will work overtime and therefore eventually you will turn AFC if you continue being a part of the system.

Its like the matrix, people watch to much television instead of having a life. T.V has become life, so is the internet and music and everything else that is entertainting and requires no effort but just sitting there. If you do all those things more then actually living your life then you are not living up to your potential.

So turn off the television and only watch programs you really do want to watch ( I only watch C.S.I, Seinfeld, the Sopranos and Sports) Do not seat aimesely waiting for something good to come on, plan your schedule so that you will have some type of MEN HOBBIES - like actually playing sports.

Don't spend more then an hour a day on the internet - use it to check e-mail or read other intersting sights including this forum but again if you don't do some of the things you are reading about you are wasting your fvcking time. If you read the a dating forum help, you should use that to acutally start dating the very same day. Same thing with Porn, if you are watching porn you better be having sex soon and if not then you will just end up in the bathroom feeling pretty pathetic after you are done your business. Stop watching porn all together if you are not getting any!!

AFC's are those that induldge in fantasy and do nothing about it, DJ make the fantasy turn into reality.

 

[seize_the_pattern]

This is about being passive versus being active and productive im afraid.

I think this topic was started with the point of view that the culture that television spreads suggests and justifies AFC behaviour.

Now you're not completely out of the matter here of course. Get your your ass out there is generally a good message and I support that big time because its something I am recovering from big time!.