Weed is a loser drug, don't care what anyone says

[Borknagar]

I haven't posted in awhile but I needed a place to vent! I am one of the only people from high school I know that grew up got a house and a good paying stable job, I am also the only one who quit smoking pot, coincidence? I think not. Also every dumb mother ****er I have been friends with who smoked this crap has owed me money and has stolen from me, and none of my non pot smoking friends there has ever been this issue with. These dumb mother ****ers put weed as their top priority in life, ahead of all responsibilities one should have as an adult, they are addicted, they'll run around for hours trying to "pick up a bag" when there is much better things to do.

And every ****ing pothead has an excuse... "it's not a drug, it helps me relax, it's a herb, not a drug" and the idiots are still needing favors like borrowing money, but will never tell you they'll likely spend it on weed, not necessities.

And most these mother ****ers will never even notice or acknowledge the fact they are loser potheads. Many of them may be able to talk smart, but at the end of the day they are lazy, and broke, and don't have a real job.

I have given job offers to these idiots making more than(if they make anything at all) they do now, only catch? Pass a piss test.. their response? " Oh **** that I can't smoke weed? wtf?!?! It's not worth it man! Screw that I don't wanna work for the man if I can't toke up!" Sorry dip**** you're not 16 any more, time to give up worthless habits and become a ****ing adult, next time I hear someone call themselves a pothead after high school I'm going to smack them silly, seriously.

end rant

I know some people might be able to be real adults and smoke it, but it's a rare exception.

 

[Machina29]

Is this serious?

So you hung out with losers in high school and apparently still do (since they are still asking for money). What does that have to do with pot?

There are lots of people who smoke pot and are still successful. People who are lazy will be lazy with or without pot. You're just trying to make an excuse for them being losers.

I don't smoke pot any more, but I still wouldn't accept a job from you with the drug test condition. Drug testing is immoral, and should be outlawed. I'd rather hire a person who smokes a J at night before going to bed than someone who drinks every night. Also, what does drug testing prove? That the guy might have smoked an hour ago, yesterday, or three weeks ago? It doesn't prove anything, and does it really matter if it doesn't affect their performance at work? (Notice I, like you, didn't mention being high at work because that is common sense)

This also brings up more philosophical questions about what it means to be an adult. Is your idea of an adult the correct one? Is your idea of success (house, job etc) the correct definition of success? Not everyone has the same goals as you.

Who actually calls themselves a pothead? Even when I did smoke, I'd never call myself that because I look at it as a Reefer Madness or drug warrior term.

The funny thing though is that I feel the same as you, but towards alcohol. I cannot stand being around drunk people, and I think it is pathetic that alcohol is legal while pot is not.

 

[Deep Dish]

Many of them may be able to talk smart, but at the end of the day they are lazy, and broke, and don't have a real job.

In one longitudinal study of college students, after controlling for other factors, marijuana users were found to have higher grades than non-users and to be equally as likely to successfully complete their educations. Another study found that marijuana users in college scored higher than non-users on standardized "achievement values" scales.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth11.shtml​

Drug users also have higher IQs. So yeah, we are smarter than you.

It’s only in high school where marijuana is associated with lower grades and delinquencies. Marijuana may draw the interest of rebellious teenagers, who drop out of life, but adult consumption has different motivation and includes many very successful people. There is some preliminary evidence that marijuana may lower IQ scores by 8 points, but that only happens under the age of 18. Adults are perfectly fine. People who wait until college age (I waited until 26) are perfectly indistinguishably normal and lead equally if not more successful lives. The whole idea of “amotivational syndrome,” “a psychological condition associated with diminished inspiration to participate in social situations and activities,” has been thoroughly disproven by science.

I have given job offers to these idiots making more than(if they make anything at all) they do now, only catch? Pass a piss test.. their response? " Oh **** that I can't smoke weed? wtf?!?! It's not worth it man! Screw that I don't wanna work for the man if I can't toke up!”

According to a government study, drug testing costs an average of $77,000 to catch one person, since the tests are easy to evade. If each test costs $35, that’s 2,200 tests! It may shock you that 80% of drug users have full-time employment.

I have kept this reply polite, which is far more courtesy than you deserve.

 

[JohnChops]

Smoke weed if you want why do you care? I know my old friends ended up no where but its not the drug that defines a person its the persons actions that defines them.

 

[Down Low]

Am 100% with the OP. Marijuana users have to get high very often just to be able to get high. Pot use cannot be recreational drug abuse -- by its very nature, marijuana is a chronic drug.

And I'm not even asking him to give me a job (hint hint).

 

[goundra]

no you aint smarter, you are an idiot, and if you KEEP using dope, tobacco, or alchohol, you'll be even dumber, and probably broke, and sick, too. sicker than you now are, that is.

 

[Scars]

I don't smoke weed, it makes me paranoid and I don't like it. But my girlfriend does and almost all of my family. I don't think it's a "loser" drug. Some people have their vices. I'd rather be a pot head than an alcoholic but the bottle is my poison. I know successful people who smoked weed. They keep steady jobs, they take care of kids, and everything else a responsible adult is supposed to do. I remember blazing with bosses before. And I'm not talking about a Mc. Donalds boss either. I was lucky when I graduated and landed a very good job at a multi-million dollar company that will remain unnamed. Although I've tried it several times, I quickly realized it wasn't for me. I'm completely for it being legalized, and I know people who can smoke all day and remain functional, I'm just not one of those people.

-Scars

 

[Married Buried]

I smoke this every day before work and I got a promotion.

 

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

I can relate. I know some smart guys who smoke but most are deadbeats. Either they dropped out of college or they are wasting their time and money trying.

Wake up, smoke, skip class, eat, smoke, watch tv, eat, smoke, drink, go to bed. One pothead told me it's the first thing he thinks about in the morning. He doesnt care about food or anything else until he gets high. It's his fourth year in college and hes taking second year classes because of how many times hes dropped out midquarter. His older brother dropped out years before for the same reasons.

Some friends who have quit have commented on how much more motivated and focused they feel. They usually go back to weed within a month or two.

One of the most annoying sounds in the world is waking up to the sound of a chronic pot smoker hacking his lungs out because the cilia lining his trachea and bronchial branches have been destroyed.

Someone mentioned alcohol in a similar way. I agree, although I drink often, I think alcohol is a horrible drug. I can't believe it's legal. It makes people aggressive and dangerous. All the innocent people dead from drunk drivers, broken bones from fights and senseless vandalism.

I also don't like the shady culture around weed. With all that said, go ahead and legalize it.

 

[Deep Dish]

In 2005, Oxford University published Understanding Marijuana: A New Look at the Scientific Evidence by Mitch Earleywine.

One typical report surveyed 1,400 undergraduates, revealing no differences between users and nonusers on grades, changes in their majors, or number of colleges attended. Chronic users (those who smoked at least 3 times a week for 3 years) took more time off from their schooling but were also more likely to plan to earn a graduate degree (Hochman & Brill, 1973).

Surprisingly, at least two other studies found higher grades in the marijuana smokers than in nonsmokers (Gergen & Gergen, 1972; Goode 1971). Note that, despite these findings, no one has ever proposed that cannabis could help school performance. Users and nonusers also show no differences in their orientations towards achievement, their extracurricular activities, or their participation in sports. Thus, research on college students provides no support for the idea of amotivational synrome (Zimmer & Morgan, 1997).​

All these anecdotes about deadbeats are thrilling but it pales to empiricism.

 

[Deep Dish]

One of the most annoying sounds in the world is waking up to the sound of a chronic pot smoker hacking his lungs out because the cilia lining his trachea and bronchial branches have been destroyed.

By the way, you're factually wrong. Unlike tobacco, marijuana does not destroy cilia and bronchial branches. Cilia are temporarily paralyzed but there's no permanent damage. Any coughs clear up with a two week break of sobriety. In fact, marijuana users have larger lung capacity because holding in their breathe stretches their lungs. (There is also no connection with lung, neck, or mouth cancer.)

 

[goundra]

I thnk that they should legalize everything, then put a SLOW acting poison in lots of it and get RID of ALL the idiots, and I include coffee, tobacco and alchohol. since they obviously think that their unaltered state of mind is not good enough, they are losers, period, and by definition a waste of good oxygen.

 

[Deep Dish]

goundra:
I thnk that they should legalize everything, then put a SLOW acting poison in lots of it and get RID of ALL the idiots, and I include coffee, tobacco and alchohol. since they obviously think that their unaltered state of mind is not good enough, they are losers, period, and by definition a waste of good oxygen.

So… people should never have sex for pleasure. After all, pleasure is an altered state of consciousness, undoubtedly, and sexual pleasure is a mixture of different drugs in the brain. In the words of the philosopher Voltaire, “L’abstinence ou l’excès ne fit jamais d’heureux.”

 

[Married Buried]

So… people should never have sex for pleasure. After all, pleasure is an altered state of consciousness, undoubtedly, and sexual pleasure is a mixture of different drugs in the brain. In the words of the philosopher Voltaire, “L’abstinence ou l’excès ne fit jamais d’heureux.”

Don't take these negative nancies serious. They have probably never even smoked and get laid rarely.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

In one longitudinal study of college students, after controlling for other factors, marijuana users were found to have higher grades than non-users and to be equally as likely to successfully complete their educations. Another study found that marijuana users in college scored higher than non-users on standardized "achievement values" scales.

That resonates with my experience.

My first year in college, me and a buddy smoked out EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. We'd go to class, do whatever studying we needed to do, and then get stoned out of our brains. My major was physics, he was econ or something.

The two of us, and one other Chinese student were the only three people on our dorm floor (out of about twenty guys) that were NOT on academic probation after our first semester of college away from home.

Throughout my entire college career, I did more drugs (all of 'em) that anybody I've ever met. I had no problem graduating, got a good job as an engineer at a biomedical company and bought myself a nice condo in a very nice area of town within a few years. (Which I sold a few years later for more than double the value).

So, speak for yourself, there, OP.

On the other hand, I might have fried my brain years ago and am hallucinating this in some government rehab center.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

It certainly ain't a loser drug for the folks who got in on this INSANE madness:

Marijuana Dispenser Stock Gets Too High

$4 to $200+ in one week?

 

[goundra]

sure, you can profit from idiots. look at the tobacco companies.

 

[wait_out]

"You don't need to do drugs -- to be a loser"

 

[synergy1]

I am always amazed at the ardent defenders of pot. Make one ill statement, and its 'game on' from its proponents. In contrast, if you make fun of my drug of choice (alcohol), I typically agree with most statements, but don't care too much.

From my experience, I have seen more negative than positive. First, most of my students in engineering who smoked pot did worse ( in general) in regards to assignments. Many times it was a half assed effort, sometimes they copied other people, other times they just didn't turn in a completed assignment. Next, its inhibits driving. I have been in 3+ car accidents with people who were high on different occasions as a passenger. This is not to mention all the other near misses. Lastly, the dependence despite what many claim seems very real. People who go without pot seem very irritable, and can do nothing besides think about their next fix. I have seen people tweek out based on the fact they will be without their drug if only for a few days.

Aside from driving, everything else is a victimless crime. My experiences have been shaped to depict people who use to have generally undesirable traits. That said, I have a lot of good friends who light up and its not a point of contention in any friendship. To each their own, right?

 

[Deep Dish]

synergy1:
First, most of my students in engineering who smoked pot did worse (in general) in regards to assignments. Many times it was a half assed effort, sometimes they copied other people, other times they just didn't turn in a completed assignment.

Anecdotes are not science. The accumulative body of scientific studies demonstrate otherwise (I'm assuming college). How would you even know which students smoke pot and who doesn’t? Without surveys and private investigators with background checks of your students, you can’t tell with any degree of certainty. You might be able to spot people who are high when they walk into class, but that means you’re only spotting the people who are the most irresponsible with their use. Confirmation bias.

Next, its inhibits driving. I have been in 3+ car accidents with people who were high on different occasions as a passenger. This is not to mention all the other near misses.

Paradoxically enough, marijuana does not impair experienced users. Stoners are impaired when doing something novel for the first time ever, but after they have practiced a task a few times while under the influence, they perform equally if not slightly better than if they were sober. People learn to compensate.

With driving, stoners show lots of impairment when you stick them into a driving simulator but field tests of actual driving of a real car on a physical road show virtually no signs of impairment, with very little difference. Apparently, driving simulators are novel unfamiliar environments, whereas people are accustomed to driving a real car with real road conditions.

It’s ideally best that people should drive sober, 100% mentally alert, 8 hours of sleep the night before, no car phones, no girlfriends in the passenger seat, but your point of the risk posed to greater society by stoned drivers is exaggerated. There are bad drivers on the road who may be even worse drivers while stoned, but they are just bad drivers. Someone who’s an A+ driver may be an A- stoned driver, or maybe a B- driver is C+ while stoned, but it doesn’t go from A+ to D-. It’s also noteworthy that stoners tend to wait until they’re good enough to drive. Alcohol makes people delusional to think they can drive, but marijuana tends to make people more conscientious of evaluating their risks.

bradd80:
ok fine we get it smoking lots of weed makes you smarter and healthier lol can we move on to another thread topic now?

There are plenty of other threads for which you can make a useful comment.