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We all manipulate. Get over it.

Inspector Clouseau

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This is for all you guys who visit this site, and related others, brushing off the ideas here as “manipulative”, “not being yourself”, “just for guys who want some quick panties.” It’s also strange that the timing of posting this coincides with a good David DeAngelo article.

Manipulation is a moot point. The quicker you realize this, all the more better. Manipulation is an unavoidable aspect of life and dating, and chances are you manipulate without ever realizing it. The world is one big manipulation, and conversely the difference between manipulating women and being yourself, is smaller than you may believe.

Look at your clothes. You are manipulating the world with how you want others to think and feel about you; your “presentation.” With how you walk and carry yourself, you are manipulating how people conceptualize what type of person you are.

When you meet someone, you say things you think the person will like, and avoid saying things you think will turn them off. You also focus your brain on conjuring up smart/coherent things to say, as well filter your thoughts so you don’t say something dumb. All manipulation.

When you commit acts of “chivalry”, like opening up the car door for her; when you pay for her dinner or movie tickets; you are manipulating her, you are trying to show you will treat her right. Just because something’s courteous and people like it doesn’t mean it’s not manipulative.

When you watch the nightly news, you are being manipulated. The news directors manipulate you into thinking what is important news, by including it in the broadcast, or what is not, by ignoring it. The anchors use their appearance, of being either handsome or beautiful, to manipulate your belief in what they say. The reporters manipulate your sense of urgency by how they report their story.

When television commercials come on, you are being manipulated. The advertisers custom fit their message to certain target audiences and use various techniques to manipulate you into, hopefully, buying their product. Commercials are not lumped at the beginning or end of shows for no reason; it’s to manipulate you.

Politicians manipulate. President Bush went around building alliances for attacking Afghanistan, and is currently going around trying to gain support of invading Iraq. While it’s not a country “being itself”, doing so is not evil.

Hell, I’m even manipulating you right now. Whenever you try to explain or convince anyone of something, you are manipulating them.

Manipulation has needlessly gained a negative connotation, while it is inherently neutral. We’d much rather prefer for things to happen naturally and accidentally rather than calculated, for risk of being scammed. Truth is, we are all players; we are all manipulating each other whether realized or not, and it’s only how good of skills you have to get what you want; for manipulation is name of the game and what a game indeed. Simple as that. From the worst chumps to the greatest seductionists, we are all players; it’s only a mastery of knowing what you are doing, when doing it, to get the results you desire.

The difference between “be yourself” and manipulation is moot; you can alleviate all your fears what you are doing is manipulative, because how is it any different from what you already do, outside of you now doing things on a conscious level. The one and only difference between the two is the manipulation should be within the confines of yourself; of course you never know what is within yourself until you try something new (“Don’t knock it until you try it”).

In light of all this, there does, however, come a certain point where you tread into deep and stormy waters. What I am specifically referring to is the hard core use of patterns or other seduction techniques with the sole of purpose of making the girl fall all over for you, only for a quick bang and ditch. That’s called destroying a woman. I am not at all in favor of destroying women. Again, good and bad all goes back to intent.


Clouseau

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STR8UP

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This is why anyone who discounts the relationship between SALES and SOCIAL SKILLS doesn't have a clue.

Good post.
 

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as much as i wish it weren't true its all true. in a perfect world we could do things out of our hearts but nowadays its all fvcked up. everything is backwards.

its scary but i am guilty of everything u just wrote and i admit it. we all play games and manipulate people to a degree. im sure we all have close friends where its not like that but with strangers and especially girls we all do manipulate. just the way a lot of hott girls have guys taking them around and buyin them shyt. next time u see a really good lookin guy in a 50,000 dollar souped up civic with some 9 in the car u should realize that she has most liekly manipulated him by giving him her company for money or giving him sex for money and a good EXPENSIVE time. so manipulation happens on both sides but i would have to say women do it more cuz in a sense they are smarter than me.

[This message has been edited by Flyguy3663 (edited 08-29-2002).]
 
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