Warning: Child Support Until 21-22

[Tenacity]

So you think child support ends once they reach High School Graduation at age 18? It might not! You have 11 States where it could go until age 20-22, and 3 of those 11 States you are guaranteed to be paying until they are 21 years old. Now someone explain to me how these laws are fair? I'm supposed to have a MALE CHILD and STILL be supporting the dude until he's 21 years old if I live in one of those 3 states?

Here's my resource below as well as a list of those states that goes over the age of 18. I tell you what, it must FEEL DAMN GOOD to be a chick getting pregnant by a successful guy as she might have 21-22 years of monthly residual INCOME! Damn sure bets having to become a licensed insurance agent and go out and build a portfolio to create monthly residual income!

And we sit around letting women get away with this....because :nervous: ??

http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/termination-of-child-support-age-of-majority.aspx

* Alabama - It goes to 19 years old
* Colorado - It goes to 19 years old
* DC - It goes to 21 years old
* Indiana - Either 19 years old or 21 years old
* Massachusetts - Could go up to 22 years old
* Michigan (my state) - Could go up to 19 1/2 years old
* Minnesota - Could go up to 20 years old
* Mississippi - Could go up to 21 years old
* Missouri - Could go up to 21 years old
* Nebraska - It goes to 19 years old
* New Mexico - It could go to 19 years old
* New York - It goes to 21 years old
* Oregon - It could go up to 21 years old
* Puerto Rico - It goes to 21 years old
* South Dakota - It could go to 19 years old
* Vermont - It could go up to 21 years old
* Virgin Islands - It could go up to 22 years old

 

[Tictac]

New Jersey can be until children's later 20s.

It's not an age thing.

 

[( . )( . )]

What a joke.

Big daddy alpha gov knows with a screwed economy the average millennial kidult is on the fast track to becoming a net drain non contributor now, can barely afford rent let alone owning it's own home and thus stays in the nest until it's late 20's and up. The age limit will keep climbing the more dysfunctional we become.

 

[seasonedplayer]

I can't imagine what's it's like to keep only 20pct of your income; which is income after taxes and child support

So you think child support ends once they reach High School Graduation at age 18? It might not! You have 11 States where it could go until age 20-22, and 3 of those 11 States you are guaranteed to be paying until they are 21 years old. Now someone explain to me how these laws are fair? I'm supposed to have a MALE CHILD and STILL be supporting the dude until he's 21 years old if I live in one of those 3 states?

Here's my resource below as well as a list of those states that goes over the age of 18. I tell you what, it must FEEL DAMN GOOD to be a chick getting pregnant by a successful guy as she might have 21-22 years of monthly residual INCOME! Damn sure bets having to become a licensed insurance agent and go out and build a portfolio to create monthly residual income!

And we sit around letting women get away with this....because :nervous: ??

http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/termination-of-child-support-age-of-majority.aspx

* Alabama - It goes to 19 years old
* Colorado - It goes to 19 years old
* DC - It goes to 21 years old
* Indiana - Either 19 years old or 21 years old
* Massachusetts - Could go up to 22 years old
* Michigan (my state) - Could go up to 19 1/2 years old
* Minnesota - Could go up to 20 years old
* Mississippi - Could go up to 21 years old
* Missouri - Could go up to 21 years old
* Nebraska - It goes to 19 years old
* New Mexico - It could go to 19 years old
* New York - It goes to 21 years old
* Oregon - It could go up to 21 years old
* Puerto Rico - It goes to 21 years old
* South Dakota - It could go to 19 years old
* Vermont - It could go up to 21 years old
* Virgin Islands - It could go up to 22 years old

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Big daddy alpha gov knows with a screwed economy the average millennial kidult is on the fast track to becoming a net drain non contributor now, can barely afford rent let alone owning it's own home and thus stays in the nest until it's late 20's and up. The age limit will keep climbing the more dysfunctional we become.

Yep. People respond to incentives. Government needs a growing population. So they come up with whatever incentives they can to keep girls popping out more kids.

Responsible adult males are seen as resources. As governments get broker and broker, they will come up with more and more ways to fleece people.

By raising the age of dependency, they get the population boom without having to pay the welfare.

Win-Win!

As to the OP's question - "Why Do We Put Up With This?"

"We" put up with this because the majority of innumerate voters willingly vote for con men who promise them something for nothing.

That's what you get when 40 Million Adults are on food stamps, and another 100 million live directly or indirectly off the government teet.

To paraphrase one of those old time founder guys:

"When people realize they can vote themselves free shit, then the day of reckoning is nigh."

Plan and live your lives accordingly, gentlemen.

 

[Eph]

Is this based on where the father is, or where the recipient/child is? What happens if the state where the father is forces him to pay until the child is 18 and the state where the child is says child support is paid past 18 years?

 

[Albatross953]

In Ontario I think its 25. I think I'd really like to avoid confirming that personally.

 

[sodbuster]

South Dakota is 18 IF he's graduated from High School, or up to 19 if he hasn't. I know THAT one well :-( I got off at 18 on both...

 

[YawataNoKami]

In Ontario I think its 25. I think I'd really like to avoid confirming that personally.

Ohh my Dear Lord!!!!Avoided at all cost.I used to know a 39 year old man working 3 jobs. Got milked for everything he had by his ex wife who worked 2 days a week max, took the kids and all. He dropped down 20 years or some years in his life because of the incident and had to move back in with his parents. He committed suicide a few months ago all because of one woman who tore his life apart.


Ok. Let me paint this picture for you. Your a dad. Your checks are being garnished. Before child support you make $1200 per pay check, but after taxed, court ordered medical coverage, and child support you are left with only $400. You can barely afford to rent a room from a stranger. So you are giving the mom around $600 a month for child support, and paying $200 a month for insurance. The mom chooses to work only part time so she can be there for the kids when they get out of school. The mom only makes 1000 a month, but with your $600 shes up to $1600. She doesn't have to pay for medical to take the kids to the doctor because she has your insurance, as well as medical through the state to cover the co payments that she has to pay from your insurance. The mom then gets low income housing and is only paying $200 in rent because she makes so little, and then to top it off she is given 500 a month for food stamps because her income is so low. How would you feel???? This scenario happens a lot in all USA.





It is unfortunately a little-known fact that family/divorce courts are considered legally exempt from the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The reason is that they are statutorily classified as "courts of equity," rather than "courts of law." And courts of equity are assumed to be exempt from the restrictions placed on courts of law.

The result is that divorce court judges, many of whom are crooked and/or hard-core radical feminists, routinely violate Constitutionally protected rights to free speech, freedom of religion, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to due process, right to habeus corpus, right to presumption of innocence, etc.In fact, in several states, men accused of not paying child support or alimony are denied their right to an attorney and summarily thrown into prison without trial. Good luck ever getting out if you can't contact a lawyer.

Sadly, both parties support this system in part because it channels a lot of money to people with political connections, and in part because going after so-called "dead-beat dads" appeals to female voters.

 

[Tenacity]

When I did my Annual Routine Exam on Monday, my Doctor gave a referral to the Urologist to look at getting the vasectomy done.

I have prayed on this and I believe that God is with me on this in relation to not creating children. Creating children for me is JUST going to be a disaster, it's going to drain me financially, destroy my career (as I won't be able to focus on closing deals and being innovative anymore), and the woman will have it setup to where I won't be able to even Father the child.

I'm planning on getting this procedure done this year. I would have LOVED to be a Father....but they say LOCATION is everything.....and unfortunately I was just born in the wrong time and at the wrong location (US) to implement such a task.

If I were to create kids, NOTHING good would come out of it and I would just end up committing suicide. I already know it. Because while I'm being RAPED there will be no one there for me. Everything I worked for would be gone. And I wouldn't even be able to see the kids enough to Father them.

Thank You Feminism....for kicking the DECENT MEN who want to do the right thing out of the FVCKING market. All you will have left are these irresponsible deadbeat bums you chicks fvck and guess what? When they go to take child support from his sorry a.ss you won't get a damn thing because the BUM doesn't make anything.

The sad thing about this entire thing....it's the KIDS who suffer. And the women could really give a rat's a.ss about the kids.

 

[zekko]

Thank You Feminism....for kicking the DECENT MEN who want to do the right thing out of the FVCKING market. All you will have left are these irresponsible deadbeat bums you chicks fvck and guess what? When they go to take child support from his sorry a.ss you won't get a damn thing because the BUM doesn't make anything.

While this is likely true, it isn't going to matter to the women. Because if they can't get the deadbeat dads to pay, the state will step in and take their place and support the children. That's why men are so disposable these days. The state has taken up the role of men as provider and protector, and therefore the men are not needed any more.

As for "Why we put up with this", women make up the majority of the population in the US, and therefore also make up the majority of voters. Then add in the number of feminist sympathizers amongst the males, and we are badly outnumbered. After all, who wants to support a deadbeat dad?

 

[Cejay]

Thats appalling.

I got snipped a few years ago. Got tested right away after and Vas was successfully.

I still get the home test kit and test myself yearly now just in case.

I love not having to worry.

Is this the ultimate **** test? My ex wife (cheated) and current GF both said something to me about "if they got pregnant." I told them that since I am snipped and confirmed incapable of fathering children, that they would be required to get a paternity test before our relationship would continue (or any support would ensue). Both women refused and threw fits. "I would never cheat so you should just trust me and pay..."

(Very ironic with ex-wife)

My conclusion: You will be required by the court when you sue for support.

Nice try ladies...

CJ

 

[Tenacity]

While this is likely true, it isn't going to matter to the women. Because if they can't get the deadbeat dads to pay, the state will step in and take their place and support the children. That's why men are so disposable these days. The state has taken up the role of men as provider and protector, and therefore the men are not needed any more.

As for "Why we put up with this", women make up the majority of the population in the US, and therefore also make up the majority of voters. Then add in the number of feminist sympathizers amongst the males, and we are badly outnumbered. After all, who wants to support a deadbeat dad?

I agree but here's my thing. I'm not looking to make excuses for guys to get out of taking care of their responsibilities.

- I believe that life begins at conception.

- I believe that women are in total control of the reproduction in this country, which means, if women TOMORROW decided no more humans are being created in this country then it won't be a damn thing we could do about it.

- On the other hand, I do believe that if a guy irresponsibly ASSISTS a woman with the creation of a baby through allowing HIS SPERM to get inside her, he's responsible for the Fathering of that child if the woman decides to allow the child to LIVE (give it birth) or to kill it (abort it).

So the entire argument that goes around the Manosphere about guys being "trapped" by chicks in terms of having to Father and provide for a child they didn't WANT, I'm not giving guys a pass on that. YOU as a man, have to take responsibility for YOUR actions, which means.....DON'T ALLOW YOUR SPERM TO GET INSIDE OF HER.

You always wear a damn condom, no matter what, and you wear condoms that fit your penis size. What I do with a condom on, is when I feel I'm about to nut I PULL out....make sure the condom is still on....then I take it off and JACK off the rest of the way. So there's NO mistakes being done here with me putting my sperm in a chick and assisting with the creation of a human being.

So guys who are out here hitting it RAW, wearing condoms too small, wearing condoms too big, using a pull out method, or just going based on some chick telling you she can't or won't get pregnant.....I'm not giving them a pass. If the child is created, you must FATHER IT in monetary support and fatherly support, or (like my so called Father if that's what you want to call the piece of trash) you are a DEADBEAT.

Now, and I'll step off the soapbox here in a minute. LOOK at these Child Support laws, some states going all the way to age 21-22. Women KNOW these laws or know about them. So why in the HELL would a woman CHOOSE a BROKE, bummy, no ambition, no asset having, no car having, piece of shyt to make a baby with knowing there's NO child support that can be extracted and he will be a ****ty Father at best? Why do women do that?

I'll tell you why, because they can give a rat's a.ss about the children. They are either looking to find a guy (like me) to get pregnant by to get the monetary gains FROM ME, or they are looking to get that from the Government.

That's why I want the laws changed. I want women PROSECUTED for deliberately creating kid after kid with deadbeat dudes that they KNOW can't pay child support. On top of that, I want women PROSECUTED for deliberately creating kid after kid when they already have 1-2 kids on the Government system.

Finally, I want the child support system where Fathers that CAN pay and are paying, are paying for the needs/desires of the child only based NOT on the income of the Parents. I want an Audit and Accounting done every QUARTER on where every dollar is spent on the child with receipts, if the custodial parent can't provide that I want sanctions, fees and soon to be jail time for continued offense.

I just want a fair and balanced damn system, so children being created today (that didn't ask to be here) are coming into the world with a structure of a Father and a Mother that's ready to care for them monetarily and through Fatherly/Motherly support. Updating this system is one of the MAJOR steps forward to that goal.

If I could get those updates, I can create some children TOMORROW. But unfortunately, this shyt won't happen during my lifetime but I'm going to keep fighting so maybe a "Tenacity" in 2050 who is 31 won't have to be going through this shyt.

 

[Kailex]

In Puerto Rico it is til 21 but the mothers will hit you up with guilt trips up until the kids are graduated from college. After that, they'll hit you up again for weddings, sickness, etc, etc, etc...

It stops "legally" but it goes beyond that.

One of the reasons why I moved away. Eff that noise.

 

[YawataNoKami]

While this is likely true, it isn't going to matter to the women. Because if they can't get the deadbeat dads to pay, the state will step in and take their place and support the children. That's why men are so disposable these days. The state has taken up the role of men as provider and protector, and therefore the men are not needed any more.

As for "Why we put up with this", women make up the majority of the population in the US, and therefore also make up the majority of voters. Then add in the number of feminist sympathizers amongst the males, and we are badly outnumbered. After all, who wants to support a deadbeat dad?

You are so right.

One thing ,when the economy starts sucking, so will women.

And Kailex is right , I am puertorican(from Utuado).

 

[LiveFreeX]

Do the crime, you do the time. Take care of your fvking kids you sh1t stains or they'll be the ones doing time. Don't stick your d1ck in a hole if you can't fathom a baby popping out of it.

 

[Prime_Beef]

yep

It's a system designed to suck money from men mostly.

Prime_Beef, being older, has been there! Seen my ex wife get caught lying about never receiving support. Proof was provided in court, and the "judge " say "..well, you two owe 'x' for back welfare received, (tap, tap, tap..calculator sounds) and you don't want the mother of your child to go to jail for fraud..which I will no do because small children deserve to be with their mom..since you made 90% of the income, you pay 90 % of the welfare back at y $ a month. .."

Now granted, the laws have loopholes. Later, after the ex was found guilty of some abuse and custody was reversed to me, my lawyer was able to have HER pay me child support. How? He took advantage of the specific information asked by the court. The system was based on income ratios. At the time I was able to show no income. I was a real estate investor at the time..heavily involved in maintenance causing a cash flow problem at the time. Terrible scheduling coincidence! Because my lawyer knew what questions the inexperienced county DA attorneys representing the poor, unfortunate single mothers could ask, it became irrelevant that I had millions in assets; assets that the court could have pushed for "better" investments or some such.

If you guys ever find yourself in this situation you better be men of means and power. The system is designed to be accessed with MONEY. If you don't have it, you will be a victim of it.

When dealing with attorneys there's two questions:

1. How much to fight this? (Custody change)
2. How much to win? (Custody change)

The difference was about 10x.