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killerblueeyes

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What the hell is wrong with some of you people? I can’t tell if its jealousy or if you really are disappointed when someone does a decent job(because you didn't). "Your Immature if you date someone who is older than you". "And ever woman is a *****". Go look at your self you pathetic excuse for a man. It is your fault you can’t keep a woman, your fault that they cheat on you, your fault that she bangs your best friend. I’m sure there is a small percent of women that do it because of mental problems; I’m not talking to you men who have been burned by a wacko. It is you shameless people who use woman as an excuse for all you relationship problems. I’m getting off topic, I can’t believe some of the things I’ve read here (Christ even this post is crap). All I’m trying to do is draw attention to the people who would rather criticize someone for an action rather then say “Great job”. Don’t let these select few people’s criticism ruin anything for you. Take into consideration that everyone here's advise is worthless unless you want it to be gold. It doesn’t matter her age, color, religion, height, or job. It is how she makes YOU feel, not anyone else.
 

Sexy_Malibu

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Ouch.:eek:
 

Trapspringer

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You make some sense but your argument would probably hold more weight if you had posted this thread under your original name otherwise, you just come of as a troll.
 

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You could have given yourself more time to construct the above argument better so it would be more effective and have more credibility. For instance, after your introductory sentence, you should have immediately provided your fellow posters with the exact topics you wanted to discuss therefore, providing some sort of framework to follow. Also, your introductory sentences should provide some clue as to what conclusion you would make. Unfortunately, you are vague in the beginning.

I do realize that your thread is titled "Unsupported Bastards." This would be an ideal piece for you to begin your argument. For example, you can start your argument by saying: I believe most of you in this forum are unsupportive bastards. I believe you you are unsupportive bastards for the following reasons...

In the above example, you will be clear, simple, and direct.

Next, you could have stated exactly who you have “beef” with, instead you immediately began using quotes without setting them up. How are we supposed to know where these quotes come from and how they are supposed to be taken? This can confuse your readers and make them frustrated before they even decided if they agree with you or not. Additionally, you should have started a new paragraph right before you say “Go look at your self you pathetic excuse for a man.” You are going into a new idea/path from which you began your argument so a new paragraph is warranted. You should have done this at a few points in your argument.

Another action you could have performed is when you created the “it your faults” statements. Here, it would have been better if you used periods instead of commas for a greater effect. The periods will force your readers to pause and give them a bit more time to contemplate each fragment and it can possibly prevent the statements from reading off like a grocery list. In other words, it would provide more “bang for your buck.”

Speaking of “more bang for your buck”… you can provide more bang for your buck if you do not destroy your credibility by criticizing your own argument. Criticizing your own argument will radiate feelings of uncertainty from your words that will set up most of your readers to form immediate rebuttals to your argument. Do you really want that? Of course you don’t. After all, you spent your valuable minutes typing up an argument you obviously feel strongly about which brings me to my final point.


Finally, you should avoid creating an argument that comes off as emotional if you are interested in maintaining credibility within your argument. By adhering to this rule, you will present yourself as objective and thoughtful and not as some unreasonable “troll,” as the above poster has stated. It is well understood that excessive emotions tend to cloud our judgement therefore, it can weaken our credibility when we make certain arguments and judgements.

This is just my 2 cents. It is my own opinion that you will hopefully keep in mind the next time you want to vent at those “pathetic excuse for men.” Good night.
 

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Wow - someone using eloquent, well-phrased, properly spelled and punctuated English on a forum. Go cootielicious.
 

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The initial message in this thread is entirely irrational. Taking the time to speak to anyone who immediately begins with a generalized ad hominem and uses unsupported assertions to benefit his argument is a waste. Since I do have some time to waste, I'll do it quickly. If this is painful for you killerblueeyes, you are at liberty to say it hurts.

What the hell is wrong with some of you people? I can’t tell if its jealousy or if you really are disappointed when someone does a decent job because you did not.
First of all, you provided no frame of reference for us to use as a guide to your complaints. Secondly, there's plenty wrong with many of us, but our ailments are irrelevant.

"Your Immature if you date someone who is older than you". "And ever woman is a *****."
Whoever you were quoting is incapable of writing complete sentences, correct spelling, and accurate grammar. Judging the community upon minor instances of ignorance is irrational and you should not give much personal thought to the criticism of others unless you explicitly ask for it. In other words, do not take the opinions of others personally else you will fall into a trap as you did here.

Go look at your self you pathetic excuse for a man. It is your fault you can’t keep a woman, your fault that they cheat on you, your fault that she bangs your best friend.
Are you speaking to one of us or all of us? Make up your mind. In addition, you are quite wrong with your assertions that fault rests with the man if a woman acts on her own. 'Power' in a relationship is a farce. Every sane and rational person is an individual. Their actions are decided by themselves and by themselves alone. If your partner cannot remain faithful to you, then that is her problem. It is up to you to get over it for there is absolutely no good reason to be attached to any woman. As the old saying goes, "There's plenty of fish in the sea."

I’m sure there is a small percent of women that do it because of mental problems; I’m not talking to you men who have been burned by a wacko.
I am positive that there is an abundance of mentally disturbed men and women. You can look up the statistics on the Internet if you would like. Where the meaning of this sentence becomes unclear is when you connect two unrelated ideas with a semicolon.

It is you shameless people who use woman as an excuse for all you relationship problems.
Ah, the same tired rhetoric of someone who has yet to get off their own pedestal. Would you care to elaborate on why it is shameful for people to place blame on their partner(s) or former partner(s)? If you cannot support this assertion without an argument from an irrational system, then I'll dismiss it as false.

I’m getting off topic, I can’t believe some of the things I’ve read here (Christ even this post is crap).
Yes, most likely, and definitely.

All I’m trying to do is draw attention to the people who would rather criticize someone for an action rather then say “Great job”.
If you just want a pat on the back, give yourself one or run off to one of the other forums developed for needy boys.

Don’t let these select few people’s criticism ruin anything for you. Take into consideration that everyone here's advise is worthless unless you want it to be gold. It doesn’t matter her age, color, religion, height, or job.
Unsupported assertion. State your evidence or retract your argument.

It is how she makes YOU feel, not anyone else.
This is quite irrelevant to the topic and a very subjective claim. Dismissed.
 

sAxyguy83

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Oh, yeah, my contribution to the rant. I'm sick and f**king tired of people constantly flaming and b****ing at anybody who expresses an opinion they disagree with. This board is supposed to be a place where ppl support each other and help them fulfill their goals with women, not dump on the goals they have chosen.

My $0.02

Oh, and by the way Demon, you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, and to debate it intelligently. I disagree with some of your opinions and method, however. Just because he doesn't write like a Harvard graduate doesn't invalidate his points. He should have backed them up to some extent, but if you're looking for thorough documentation may I suggest you find a forum for research scientists. I disagree with both of you, and feel that if a relationship fails, it is not automatically the fault of one person or the other - fault is frequently shared rather evenly.
 

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Originally posted by sAxyguy83
Oh, yeah, my contribution to the rant. I'm sick and f**king tired of people constantly flaming and b****ing at anybody who expresses an opinion they disagree with.
It's a natural occurence when the majority of the males on this forum are relatively inexperienced when it comes down to women. These are the people that want to be Don Juans but do not know what a DJ represents. Instead they fuel their ego by using logical fallacies and bringing down others to make themselves appear "better." Those are the characteristics of a Jerk, the kind of person that is typically shunned by society and Don Juans alike.

This board is supposed to be a place where ppl support each other and help them fulfill their goals with women, not dump on the goals they have chosen.
As I've said in a recent post, we're not here to hold your hand. If you need help, we're here to give you advice for which you should take into consideration, and make your own decision.

Just because he doesn't write like a Harvard graduate doesn't invalidate his points.
To what are you inferencing?

He should have backed them up to some extent, but if you're looking for thorough documentation may I suggest you find a forum for research scientists.
All assertions should be supported by evidence, otherwise they should be retracted with an apology. As for finding a forum for research scientists, I've been a member of the Church of Virus for several years. The majority of the active membership have various degrees in a multitude of disciplines from computer science to physics and memetics to mathematics. US News & World Report recently became interested in our group so the Church of Virus should be mentioned in one of the coming issues of US News. We have an IRC channel (chat), a mailing list, and forums which all provide a forum for rational discource. Therefore, I've already found a forum for researchers and scientists.

I disagree with both of you, and feel that if a relationship fails, it is not automatically the fault of one person or the other - fault is frequently shared rather evenly.
In Western society, blame is commonplace, but in other cultures such as in Japan, their philosophy is not to point fingers at another for their mistake, but to ask that person to repair the problem. If the problem is fixed, then there is no problem, right? Since this forum is located in Western society, you should consider this using your logic: a man murders his family and his friends. He is imprisoned and the death penalty is imposed. Should we also accept the same fate for we are indirectly responsible for his actions? Are we not members of the same society, the same group that nurtures and controls its membership? Should we also be executed for the crimes (the decisions) of others like al-Qaida, Saddam Hussein and his sons, or Khadafi? We are all members of the same world society as well, therefore, by your logic, we are responsible for their decisions.

Of course, this is not the case. We are all individuals. Our decisions are our own and we should be held accountable for the decisions we make.
 

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I thoroughly agree with you here, sAXY. “Pointing the finger” will only obscure the issues involved in a failed relationship thereby perpetuating undesirable characteristics internalized in both individuals involved. In most instances, blame is to be shared.

On the other hand, I also agree with Demon. One should only use a semicolon between closely related independent clauses not joined by a coordinating conjunction, but this only obscures another issue. This issue is the one in which ol’ Blue Eyes attempts to manifest with some difficulty. Anyway, one should refrain from attempting to discredit an argument by attacking another’s grammatical skills. This will only create another ineffective argument.

0ne should either attempt to help Killer build his argument just as Cootie or try to discredit it by seeking perforations in it, exposing them, and provide a solid argument against them. Demon, you achieved this through some extent but “got off track” by attacking Blue’s grammatical skills. I believe you should have, at the very least, chosen either one of the issues you covered in your original rebuttal and stuck with it by supporting only that particular issue. This is just my $0.02.
 

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Originally posted by Frosty
Anyway, one should refrain from attempting to discredit an argument by attacking another’s grammatical skills. This will only create another ineffective argument.

Demon, you achieved this through some extent but “got off track” by attacking Blue’s grammatical skills.
Either you misread what I wrote or are reading something else. If you read carefully, I did not attack killerblueeyes' lesser penmanship. You referred to my statement about the usage of a semicolon so I will assume that this what you are referring.

Where the meaning of this sentence becomes unclear is when you connect two unrelated ideas with a semicolon.
Notice that there is no attack. I merely mentioned that the latter part of the sentence is unclear due to the needless connection between two unrelated ideas.

If you are referring to the following quote, perhaps you should read slowly next time.

Whoever you were quoting is incapable of writing complete sentences, correct spelling, and accurate grammar. Judging the community upon minor instances of ignorance is irrational and you should not give much personal thought to the criticism of others unless you explicitly ask for it. In other words, do not take the opinions of others personally else you will fall into a trap as you did here.
 

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If you are referring to the following quote, perhaps you should read slowly next time.

quote:Whoever you were quoting is incapable of writing complete sentences, correct spelling, and accurate grammar. Judging the community upon minor instances of ignorance is irrational and you should not give much personal thought to the criticism of others unless you explicitly ask for it. In other words, do not take the opinions of others personally else you will fall into a trap as you did here.
I offer my apologies, Demon. I do not believe my error was the result of the speed at which I read your post; it was more likely the result of the condition I was in when I read it.
 

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I'm tired of beginners being shown no respect. Sure some here may be bagging seven numbers a night and having sex with two different girls a day, but it doesn't give the right to talk down and belittle those here who are at the bottom of their learning curve.
 

sAxyguy83

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My major beef is just with the small group of people on these boards that, if you say "I want X out of a relationship", will immediately start calling you a loser, an idiot, delusional, etc.. I think that the point of this thread (my interpretation) is to rant about those people who prefer to criticize rather than advise. These forums are intended to help guys improve themselves and achieve their goals with women. If someone is pursuing a goal you don't agree with, you are perfectly free to not post advice or support, but you come across as immature, closed-minded, and insecure about your own DJ abilities, none of which are attractive qualities to women. There isn't any need to praise anything that posts, but occasionally congratulating or praising a newbie, or saying a few words of comfort to a guy that just got burned can do worlds of good for these people by improving their self-esteem and helping to build their confidence.
 

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There isn't any need to praise anything that posts, but occasionally congratulating or praising a newbie, or saying a few words of comfort to a guy that just got burned can do worlds of good for these people by improving their self-esteem and helping to build their confidence.

You made a good point. However, we should avoid perpetuating AFC behavior. Sometimes guys just need a slap in the face to wake them up.

If a guy is always getting burned by the same girl or insists on hiding ceramic bears in bars, then that person needs some tough love from his fellow boards members. If we constantly baby such a person, we will only contribute to his stagnation.

Again, we should give pats on the back for jobs well-done or acts performed in the dating arena that we agree with. We should even offer a few words of encouragement for those that are down on their luck but lets not baby those who obviously have acquired the knowledge of DJ skills but do not implement them on a consistent basis.

I am specifically talking about those who begin a thread with "I know this is AFC but..."or those who have been members for several months and still will not make attempts at kino or flirtatious behavior on consecutive dates. Those guys need tough love.
 

sAxyguy83

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My thoughts exactly.
 

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A hoe got ofended

I think is the other way around..you are a slut you realize it and the truth hurst( i might be wrong but if you dont realize the following the you might aswell be a slut)..nobody is blaming anything..and stop with your nonsense and realize that if a women cheats on you , bangs another dude, its not the guys fault, a descent women brakes it off first and then she doesnt go fvcking other dudes. If the ladderwas to be the case then it would be the guys fault for not knowing how to treat her,but that rarely happens (few descent women) and there is no was a cheating hore a girl cheats or acts sluty because of a guy..lol thats so stupid is funny..she does it because of one single reson and that is:

SHE IS A SLUT AND WILL ALWAYS BE ONE!
 

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Actually i am confused

YOu nagged so much like a girl that i tought you were a woman...


are you?

TIBURON
 

MR_PERFECT

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I have to jump in. I think one of the quotes from the original poster was something I wrote last week: A guy was too immature to be dating a woman he was posting about at the time.

The poster was 20-21 year-old, who is dating a 26-27 year-old professional woman. He wanted our opinion about weather he should go with her to a wedding or not. There was absolutely no reason for him to post this question, except for the fact that he is insecure in the relationship. This is something he's going to have to grow out of; we don't have magic words that make his insecurity go away.
 
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