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[xblitz44x]

Ah, sosuave.com. I love this place. It allllll starts here...

Think back when you were an AFC, before you found this board. Maybe you were shy, you thought girls wanted a sweet guy, a guy who bought her roses when she wanted, a guy who would be a caring guy while her boyfriend was a real jerk and treated her like garbage. You desperately wanted to let go and feel for a girl, so you told her how you felt with love letters and notes because that's what girls liked, sensitive guys.

So the time came when you found a girl who liked you. She was sweet, she was the girl of your dreams. You always wanted a girl like this, you imagined her and fell asleep thinking of her...and now you've finally met her! You feel magic when you're together, like you're floating, like there is nothing else on this earth that matters besides the two of you; your connection. You want to marry this girl. But then something happens, your worst nightmare becomes a reality. She breaks up with you. You feel despressed, you cry yourself to sleep, you writes notes to her that you know you're never going to actually give her. You stare at your picture and ask...why? What did I do? I was everything she wanted!

Time goes by and you're still heartbroken. You want to meet other girls but other girls don't want you. They are with total *******s who treat them like garbage and who you know have drug and alchohol problems. You're being yourself, nobody wants you. Nobody wants you. What is going on here? So you fall into further depression and confusion. You just want some answers. How can your friends have girls beating down their door, and you never have even had SEX with a girl!? How pathetic! What a loser you must be! So you start to accept the fact that you won't be successful with women, that's just life. Maybe you'll be a good business man, or a good photographer, or maybe you'll be great at building model airplanes, or an awesome computer programmer. But you'll never be great with women.

So you're cruising the internet one day, and wait, what's this????

"Secret tips for meeting, seducing, and dating women." sosuave.com? What is this?

You start reading and realizing you're not alone. Other guys have been in your EXACT same shoes. You start to feel an excitement building. A certain feeling that you haven't felt in a long time. You've found: HOPE. These guys have figured out the SECRETS behind why the jerks are getting girls, and you aren't. They have figured out how to play the game and FIGHT BACK against these girls who think they are awesome and have something up on you. They have built a system in which, if you follow correctly, you'll be able to find yourself with PLEANTY of women! All you have to do is FIX YOURSELF. First, identify what you were doing wrong. Second, consciously replace those old, destructive actions with these new actions that have been 'proven' to attract girls. Third, in time, you will no longer have to consciously replace those actions. You will have successfully integrated a way of life, and the actions will happen NATURALLY. Like riding a bike! You will be attractive without even trying!

So you read the bible. You are EMPOWERED! This Pook guy REALLY knows how to light a fire up under your ass~! These articles motivate you, and drive you! They are showing you that you really CAN get chicks if you just stop being such an "AFC" and be a MAN. And how do you be a man???? Read the rest of the bible for specific directions. Follow the bible and soon these actions will happen naturally. So you do. You read more and more.

"Wow, this is going to be AMAZING. I would have never tried to get girls before because I know that my actions were driving them away. I was an AFC. They didn't want me. But now that I have an arsenal of tactics and methods that even GIRLS don't even understand.....I have CONFIDENCE! I will fake it till I make it!

So the guy goes out one Thursday evening. He decides that it's now time to stop reading and with his new-found confidence, he will make some approaches. He goes to the mall with a friend. He looks around for 'targets'. He see's a girl working at Express Women. He likes her. He is going to do his first approach. He feels an amazing rush of adrenaline, insecurity, nervousness, excitement, and fear...all at once. He's started to shake a little bit and his palms are sweaty. This chick is HOT! Easily a 9! Her blonde hair back, skinny frame but her titts pushed up and sparkled. Her ass just barely fits into those tight black pants and her thong is hanging out the top.

"Ah, come on now. Be a man. I can do this. She's hot as hell but I can do this. What should I say though? If I just go over there she's going to KNOW that I'm hitting on her like every other guy, and that's just AFC. She's working, maybe I shouldn't approach her, she kinda looks like a bytch anyway. "

So you talk yourself out of this one. Besides, there are so many girls, you're not going to waste your time on some chick that is working at the store. So you walk around the mall some more and see a SMOKIN' brunette working the kiosk in the food court. You stop there and pretend you actually want something to eat.

She says: "Can I help you".
You say: "Yeah, can I have some french fries."
She says: "Sure..."
You say: "So, are you busy tonight" Her: "yeah, kinda".
You: "That's cool. We're just walking around. Is there a sports store in this mall?"
Her: "Yeah, right around the corner here."
You: "Awesome...well, see ya later"


Shyt, I should have closed. I felt good to talk to her though. She was giving me good eye contact. Next time I'll try to get her number

So you want around more. You get to Pacific Sunwear. You see a HOT blonde, about 20 years old. She's got a sexy walk going, chewing gum, shiney lip gloss smeared across her lips. You walk in, she smiles and greets you. You walk around more and try to figure what you could say to her. Again, your heart is beating through your chest, you get nervous, and you feel your insecurities rise to the surface. Every thought of how great it would be to fvck her, or date her...is countered by how humiliating and embarrasing it would be for her to reject you when you ask her number, or how awkward it would be to have nothing to say.

Eventually you ignore all the voices and rush to her and quickly mutter "Hey I'm looking for a bathing suit, can you help?" She walks with you to the bathing suit section. You make up some story about how you're going to Cancun soon and you need a bathing suit (to justify your reason for talking to her). You hold up a girl's bathing suit against you and ask how this would look on you. She laughs. You take this as a VERY good sign. You make some small talk and manage to find out where she goes to school. Your heart is REALLY racing and it feels like she is looking right through you and can see your true motives. You feel that she KNOWS you're hitting on her, and this is bad. She's WAITING for you to ask for her number so she can reject you. But you keep telling yourself "Rejection is good!" . Your thoughts are going a mile-a-minute and your talking very fast...slow down!

She eventually says "Is there anything else I can help you with?" It's time. You have to do this. Or you're an AFC. You HAVE to close! So you say, studdering, and fast..."Hey whats your phone number? I'd like to go out sometime." This catches her by surprise. There is an awkward silence for 3 seconds but those 3 seconds feel like an hour of standing naked in public. Being humiliated and embarrased. So she says "Aw, I have a boyfriend. I'm sorry". You think, "Nah it's cool. You're a pretty girl, thanks for your help". You walk out of the store, trying to keep your cool but you KNOW she is going to tell all of her friends working with her about you, and how you were trying to hit on her, and how dorky you sounded. What a LOSER!

Part of you feels good. You went in there and made something happen. But the other part is still feeling the effects of the rejection. So the next day you go back to sosuave and post your "Field Report". The guys encourage you and tell you that you just need to practice and integrate more of this material to cover your old, AFC self. "You didn't use enough challenge"..."You didn't use ****y/funny" "You didn't close right"..."you weren't mysterious"....these are the types of responses you get and you take mental notes of them. NEXT time you're going to use ALLLLL of these as best you can to create attraction. Yes....NEXT TIME I'm going to get a number.

So the next night you go to a party. You start talking to a chick. Again, you feel nervous but use "The 3 second rule" to override your fears. You are in the middle of the conversation and you remember "You have to be more ****y/funny"....so you bust on her a little bit. She laughs and touches you on the arm. You think "Holy shyt, this works!" So you give her some kino back. The conversation is going very well, but you think it's time for some challenge : ) So you tell her, "I'm going to go find my friends, I'll catch up with you later. " A half-hour later, you catch up with her and figure it's time to close. You've done enough to create attraction, so lets see how you did. You say "Hey Kate, lets hang out again, what's your number?"....

She reaches into her purse and pulls out a pen and paper. Holy shyt! She's giving you her number! You feel REBORN! In just one week you have TOTALLY turned your life around. You were challenging, mysterious, ****y/funny, everything you needed to be, created enough attraction, then did a STRONG close! If you can do this everytime, you can get any girl you want! This is truely liberating. Thank you!

Welcome to the birth of sosuave.

 

[xblitz44x]

:: Enter Blitz ::

Hi, I'm here to crash the party. heh. Not really though. I just wanted to show you guys the part of all of this that you're failing to see. The part that lies beneath the surface that we're ignoring because to actually embrace and understand it would be to invalidate everything that you've learned that has 'empowered' you and given you hope. So we ignore it.

Often you will see posts comparing your 'newly aquired knowledge' to the enlightenment in the movie "The Matrix". When the truth is, all you guys are really doing is creating your OWN little Matrix where you can give each of these little tricks and methods it's own power in order to have some perceived form of control. None of it is reality. It's just a little place where we can act out a fantasy of acting having control of our situation with women. And none of it is that true, underlying reason you are getting laid at all. That's the entire point of this post, to show you that there is an entire dimension that you are ignoring.

Now, before you hit reply and try to flame me for being so ridiculous and 'missing the obvious'...lets look further. There OBVIOUSLY must be something different, in the story above, between the "pre-sosuave guy" and the "post sosuave guy". If he's getting laid after sosuave, and didn't BEFORE sosuave then something must have changed, shifted inside of him. It's easily to automatically assume that it was his actions, the mystery, the challenge, the confidence, the ****y/funny, the DJ 'mindset'....etc. However, look further. The ONLY difference was that 'post-sosuave' he had CONFIDENCE. Now, don't mistake this for confidence in himself, because clearly he didn't have that, nor will he EVER have that so long as he is running away from his insecurities and 'grabbing his balls' before he approaches. However, he *did* have confidence in those methods. He had confidence because of the bible, that if he follows through, and successfully changes himself and improves himself starting by following then integrating these rules......he will get chicks. That's all it took for him to kick-off a natural dynamic...just getting out there.

From here, everything else that he did and felt he had CONTROL over, was nothing more than an illusion. What he did was surface level. The attraction that the woman had for him was way deeper than that. He didn't 'create' attraction; the attraction was always there...all he did (and HAD to do) was do *something* to kick off the dynamic which would allow the both of them to begin the process of ACTING on that attraction (hooking up) a reality. This WILL happen naturally if there is attraction and interest there. But when you go into an interaction and try to 'act' this way or that way, you're throwing a wrench into the dynamic. You're doing things that only complicate the process. A guy who forces himself to do '****y/funny' is:

a) Assuming that all chicks LIKE and are attracted to ****y/funny. A generalization.

b) Assuming that whatever *he* thinks is ****y/funny, the girl will think is ****y/funny, and not ****y/rude, or ****y/idiot, or transparent/****y, or pathetic/offensive. Every action is perceived individually.

Mystery
"Ah, being mysterious. All chicks love mysterious guys....read romance novels, Blitz....you'll see that every guy there is mysterious. And chicks love them. Therefore chicks love mysterious guys. So a way that you can make chicks more attracted to you is to *not* reveal much about yourself, and let her do most of the talking. Let her wonder about you. It's also a very good way to maintain her interest level. "

What a profound idea. The problem with this stems from the fact that...chicks who don't like you, nor want anything to do with you, WON'T wonder about you. Are you wondering about that war-pig that approached you at the bar and didn't reveal anything about herself? Were you rolling around your bed that night in interest-level, WONDERING about what she thought of you? There must be ALREADY an interest in you in order for her to give a shyt about what she doesn't know about you.

Another thing, are you REALLY that insecure about yourself that you feel that if the girl gets to know who you *really* are, she's going to lose interest in you? You say your 'confident', yet you feel you have to hide yourself in the name of 'interest level'. That is THE most 'AFC' piece of advice that I have ever heard.

Challenge

Again, if you don't want something, not having it isn't going to MAKE YOU want it. Take the example of a bag of candy.

You LOVE candy, you want it, you desire it. Anytime you DON'T have it, you desire it. That's fine. But how about canned spinach? How much do you desire that? If somebody holds a can of spinach and 'challenges' you by saying you can't have it, are you going to want that spinach more? Is your 'interest level' to throw down some slimey spinach going to increase?

Usually you guys get tripped up when you do 'challenge' and a girl shows more interest towards you. That's all she's doing is EXPRESSING that interest more, she's not FEELING MORE attracted. She just feels she has to express it more because YOU'RE too much a dumb ass to pick up on her hints and she feels she has to be more obvious with it. You take that expressed interest the wrong way and your ego gets built up and you attribute it to the "challenge".

I could go on and on but I won't. I'm too tired. The bottom line is that us, and the AFC above (pre-sosuave) days are no better. We are BOTH doing things that we perceive women will be attracted to. You can try to blabber on about "this site isn't about girls, it's about self-improvement" but get real. Look at the General Forum. Anything that ISN'T about girls is "off-topic". An AFC might think giving flowers is a way to get chicks, a DJ might think challenge is a way to get chicks. Both are doing things outside of themselves in the name of impressing women. Which is better than the other? They are both the same.

True power and strength is to figure out what is REALLY going on here, and not the part that you're brainwashed to believe. Start trying to answer these questions:

1) Why is the general public getting laid more than most of us and we study this daily?

2) What am I so afraid to approach a chick without a method?

3) What is the difference between talking to a hot stranger, and talking to my friend?

4) What do I feel when I approach a woman? Be honest.

5) Why do guys at the club get laid when they are drunk and obnoxious and I don't get laid even when I'm doing every trick in the bible?

6) If a fat or ugly chick approached me and went ****y/funny, challenge, or mysterious on me, would I feel anymore compelled to have sex with her?

7) Would the girls I have had sex with, have fvcked me if I had regular conversation and didn't bother with the bullshyt games?

Start there guys. I'd be glad to talk more about how attraction works, and to show you just how silly we look when we feel we are in control of something that is further out of our control than we can imagine. We are capable of so much, and this game of getting laid is VERY easy. But unfortunately your past experiences have solified the misperception that YOU can't get chicks without 'changing or improving'. I'm here to tell you, you can. Just be yourself. Yes. I said it. The problem is that you guys don't even KNOW yourselves. What makes you tick? What is the source of yoru fears? What is REALLY stopping you from getting laid?

I hope this has helped and I expect a lot of questions. Feel free to e-mail, PM, or post to this thread.

-Blitz

 

[Brazilian_Blues_Boy]

Finally !!

ONe thing that has been crossing my mind lately blitz, and I intend top post it @ sw101, is:

When we start off a dynamic, we are assuming the dominant role of it?
I started to think back to the girls I couldn't get, and suddenly I realized that I was attracted to them, they were all submissive, yet I was also being submissive... waiting for them to make the efforts istead of "just doing it"

Looking back I believe that I acted submissively because of my insecurities... but, how will I be able to tell if in a dynamic I'm the submissive guy?

How do we categorize the general behaviors of the dominant and of the submissive?

In Lesson 13 of SD, D9 talks about the guy who was submissive, and kept trying to get her attention, hovering all around. That's a submissive behavior.

How can I tell if I'm dominant and submissive? HAve you reached that insight?

I'll post this over there too, but right now I wanted to talk about it here... maybe just reading about it will light many lamps in the heads of people here...

BBB

 

[Elimidate]

Nice one blitz, I've been asking many of these questions myself over the last while. Here's an insight:

1) Why is the general public getting laid more than most of us and we study this daily?

Does the higher # of posts you have = a better DJ. Hardly!

Because some are studying this daily and not getting out there. All the reading and techniques in the world will not improve your game unless you practice them.

Think about it....I got an A in finite math back in highschool, today 6 years later I would fail if given the exam. An old prophet once said

"tell me, I'll forget.

Show me I might remember.

Involve me and I'll become a master!

2) What am I so afraid to approach a chick without a method?

By having an insight to the DJ ways, we overanalyse every move that she could make in order to apply some principle to suave it up. This is the 3rd level of learning (competent competence).
At this stage one has to think and recall what they've learned in order to use it. Practice it and it will come naturally.

3) What is the difference between talking to a hot stranger, and talking to my friend?

NOTHING! Nothing is significant, good or bad unless we think it is.

4) What do I feel when I approach a woman? Be honest.

I feel my hand searching my pocket for my cell so I can enter her #!

5) Why do guys at the club get laid when they are drunk and obnoxious and I don't get laid even when I'm doing every trick in the bible?

Because they're having a GREAT time and then once a girl catches their attention, they show interest and ACT HOW THEY REALLY FEEL with a who "gives a f*ck attitude".

6) If a fat or ugly chick approached me and went ****y/funny, challenge, or mysterious on me, would I feel anymore compelled to have sex with her?

I don't like spinach and never will. NEXT.


7) Would the girls I have had sex with, have fvcked me if I had regular conversation and didn't bother with the bullshyt games?

Yes but girls don't f*ck me, I f*ck them!


Elimidate

 

[DjDreamer]

Originally posted by Elimidate: An old prophet once said
"tell me, I'll forget.
Show me I might remember.
Involve me and I'll become a master!

True...

Mastering DJ'ing means showing no lazyness. There has to be flow. There can't be any stop and go...no acting suave in a restaurant and then returning to a sloppy home...part time DJ'ing is no good because the pizza deliverer might be a beautiful woman, you never know when oppurtunity might come...

 

[xblitz44x]

Elimidate,

A couple things I believe you missed:

"Because some are studying this daily and not getting out there. All the reading and techniques in the world will not improve your game unless you practice them.

Practice WHAT? The point of my post was that this isn't something that has to be beat to death and analyzed and 'practiced' over and over again. What are are OVER complicating is a natural dynamic that, if we just stopped trying to 'do', would flow and produce the results we wanted.

Most guys you see get laid more than most the guys on this board and they aren't analyzing or 'practicing'. They are going out and having fun and letting things happen. Granted there are pleanty of idiots at the clubs acting like jackasses and not getting laid but they are doing the same thing WE are...throwing a wrench in it..

BBB,

That's a very good question and I don't know for sure, to be honest with you. I'm looking forward to the responses you get on SW101. But I'll take a shot...

What you *are* or aren't won't matter much. You are compelled to what you *perceive* as a balance. Perception. One girl may perceive you as dominant, another as submissive. Whichever one compells her will be YOUR role according to her, and vice versa. This will play out on and on until you start to see each other for who you are. Your role will be dependant on the individual interaction.

In the case of Chapter 13..Jason perceived D9 as the dominant role, therefore he was submissive. However in the relationship between Jason and his wife, Jason was the dominant role. However he wasn't ready for that because he needed more balance from the other side but his girlfriend, nonetheless, perceived him as the dominant role. Kinda confusing but you'll see how you naturally 'fit' into each relationship.

 

[MickoZ]

I must admit you have to live it daily, practice it daily, etc. Else you somehow "lose it", you know you can regain it, but you are not da **** anymore if you stop everything. Reading method is cool and some are funny and it is just the enjoyment of trying them sometime that I find fun.

About the fat women, sure you usually won't like her, but I must admit that sometime it is the attitude of the person that attract. Some girls are less attracting some days and more attracting the others day. Same for you.

Maybe we should compare this to POKEMON (haha. I see the flame coming!), we are like a little POKEMON and we have to evolve! but we still be ourself

But even if a girl has an IL in you... that does not mean it is all win and that is why there is some kind of method, or good play you can do. I remember one chick once told me about two guy... one was pretty attracting and the other was ok but had some good talking, the guy that was attracting attracted all the chick obviously... but the guy who was more interesting finally leaved with the chick. He was probably not digusting, and still raise IL with chick... but there is more, and the people who are utterly shy and never talk to no-one, and begin to be a master talker, etc. then somehow they changed or they simply evolved. It is some kind of transition.

 

[Elimidate]

Practice WHAT? The point of my post was that this isn't something that has to be beat to death and analyzed and 'practiced' over and over again. What are are OVER complicating is a natural dynamic that, if we just stopped trying to 'do', would flow and produce the results we wanted.


I strongly agree with your intitial post however, I see this point in a different light. Let's take a look at the 4 stages of learning:

1) The incompetent incompetent

- you simply don't know what you don't know.

2) The competent incompetent

- you know exaclty how much you really don't know.

This is where AFC comes to this site for search of information to better himself.

3) The competent competent

- you now know what you didn't know in the past but have to think about the process when doing it.

The AFC has been on the site, know's some NEG hit's, how he has to be a challenge, how to smile and use KINO etc etc but has to think about these which inturn causes :

PARALYSIS BY ANALYSIS.

(THIS IS WHAT YOU"RE REFERRING TO RIGHT BLITZ????)

4) Incompetent Competent

This is the state where you don't even think about what you're doing because it comes so naturally for you, you don't even realize you're doing it.

This is the hardest step to reach in becoming a DJ!

We all strive to reach step 4 and become a true DJ although first we must push the envelope by learning by experience which takes PRACTICE and practice is gained by trial and error from TRYING.

Your thoughts are always welcome.

Cheers,

Elimidate

 

[drixsa]

XBLITZ,

the post was amazing, so many things i feel put into excellent words by you

the thing is practice what?

if you have to practice being confident then you arent confident

if u have to practice talking to girls>?

then i just feel sorry for you

though i feel great every time i get a number i realize that the whole process, time and time again does not make me confident or more confident

becoming who i am, more and more every day has made me confident.

someone asked in another thread how do you know if you are confident, i sat and tried to reply but i could not give a reason that had a good answer.

all i know is that i sit in front of the comp and i see myself and while i see improvements that i am making/need to be made, i am satisfied with who i am looking at.

to me thats confidence.

back on subject...oh wait im done.

 

[xblitz44x]

Elimidate,

You're still not breaching the surface. You're still stuck on:

confidence + mystery + neg hits = attraction

"The AFC has been on the site, know's some NEG hit's, how he has to be a challenge, how to smile and use KINO etc etc but has to think about these which causes inturn causes :"

This is where my problem is. Neg hits, challenge, how to smile, kino is NEVER what 'caused' attraction. Attraction isn't manipulated by conscious actions in this way. A girl that you want to have sex with, never has to 'do kino' or be a challenge, and she is STILL attractive. It's the same with guys. There is another dimension that we are not seeing.

"This is the state where you don't even think about what you're doing because it comes so naturally for you, you don't even realize you're doing it."

I disagree with this 100%. Not so much that you can't integrate actions so they flow more fluently...but that these ACTIONS are what created attraction to begin with. The attraction was there or it wasn't....and our "DJ" actions never had a damn thing to do with it.

As far as "fake it till you make it" confidence....it's also bullshyt. Nobody can fake confidence and magically aquire it. If a guy doesn't have confidence, then uses some 'tricks' and has success...the rush he's feeling is a powertrip, not true confidence. And the powertrip continues to snowball. UNTIL he's rejected, twice, three times....Then what happens to their confidence?

True confidence comes from within and cannot be shaken by any outside force. It is aquired because we understand. We understand ourselves, our own fears (and not just run from them). We will never aquire true confidence if we continue to run and hide from our insecurity behind tricks and tips that we are trying to 'integrate'.

 

[Elimidate]

You're still not breaching the surface. You're still stuck on:

This was 8 months ago however, is not my view - I was positioning it from the angle an AFC would see it.

When it comes to Charisma, confidence and inner characteristics it is different - some people have the juice naturally and some don't.

For those who don't, they can still learn over time............

You become as you think.

Elimidate

 

[MickoZ]

It could be a supposition... but sometime you are REALLY attracted to something else than the instant attraction, but yeah MOST OF THE TIME you know from first if there can be a relationship... and girl know that... but see... that does not mean because she is attracted right now that you will keep that attraction...

Apparence, etc. has a lot to do, but then after it needs more.

And somehow you can fake it... you can play it just to get what you want. Somehow taking all this game as a theater piece and just make the girl think what she wants, and there is people doing it out there, and there is people who does not attract and who persist and persist and the girl finally accept, it always amaze me... I found the girl hypocrite for that... but I saw that happen with guys they were SUPPOSELY not attracted to ;-) If that work and that guy just wanted to score and he get it, then is your theory 100% accurate!? However you can claim that there was some kind of attraction at first... and you can stick with that opinion.

 

[Crotch Sniffer]

I think you deserve a PHD, a medal and a limousine full of hotties dipped in vaseline for deciphering the HORRIBLY written material on that site. "Destini 9" needs a little "Creative Writing 101", if ya ask me...

anyways

I will agree her in that it IS a lot easier to hook up with girls if you filter out the low-interest chicks

But for some of us this is a game, a bit of a sport to test our limits and perhaps change the mind of a few ladies who wouldnt give us the time of day, until they got a taste of our golden tongues, that is!

Sometimes you can work a girl for months and she will finally cave.

I dont believe EVERY woman knows if she will fvck a guy within 2 minutes. I have been in bed with a few of my ex´s and we always get to the question

"So when did you know you wanted to get it on with me?"

Of course I always knew from day 1, but the girls answers were different. Some knew right away, others would point out the exact moment they started to "see me differently" through something I said or did.

So I like this whole "Be Yourself" message, but I have to disagree with the idea of Instant Female Attraction

**********************

"Be Yourself"

doesnt sound as good as

"Be your better self"

Thats why we are here. To improve.

But I may have read Destini wrong (what with her crap writing skills) maybe she doesnt advocate the idea of Instant Female Attraction.

I would try to find out myself, but I hate migraines.

 

[bp1974]

You've obviously never had sag aloo.

And staying on topic, a summary would be that sexuality and sensuality are an innate part of who we are. The more you're able to know yourself and be comfortable with who you are, the more easily you will fit into the natural male/female sexual dynamic that's going on all around. And you'll forget about needing any tactics because once you're in that sexual place they're irrelevant. You'll just be doing what you enjoy doing, responding to attractive women in your natural, sexy way.

 

[Paranoid]

hmmmm.....what does sag aloo have to do with sw101?!?

 

[( . )( . )]

so basically your saying just be yourself?, cmon who REALLY is themselves toward anyone? guy or girl, i mean 100%, theres sh!t i havent told my best mates about me, as im sure you havent aswell.

and if i was 100% myself toward a chick do you honestly think she would stick around if i approached her and said " i want a phuck"

i think "drop alot of the sh!t, relax and dont be afraid to say ALOT more about yourself" would be a better way of putting it.

id still prefer to let her talk more 70/30 , cause b!tches love to talk about themselves.

and i aint NEVER dropping kino.

 

[bp1974]

Originally posted by Paranoid
hmmmm.....what does sag aloo have to do with sw101?!?

Just pointing out how good tinned spinach can be if it's cooked right.

 

[silverwex]

Elimidate & xblitz44x:

Basically what you're saying is: The majority of tips on this website are sh!t? Thats the impression I get.

Maybe you guys have a point, I dunno, but if you are saying that the majority of stuff on this site is useless or not worth reading then why do you have 970 & 463 posts respectively?

MAybe im reading you guys wrong but from what i see you're basically saying that this site isnt worth squat.

 

[DonCruez]

I think most of what he wants to say was already said by MotU: http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29081

to which I 99% agree.

BUT, otoh, maybe the whole DJ training stuff is meant to work like that. Giving people 'tricks', "techniques" and 'methods" to approach girls might just be the thing they need to get over their initial fear of approaching. This works as a way of desensitation (sp?) therapy.

After a while, the tricks and techniques are no longer needed, cause the're, IMO, just a lifeline when getting started.

just my thoughts,
DC

 

[xblitz44x]

"so basically your saying just be yourself?, cmon who REALLY is themselves toward anyone? guy or girl, i mean 100%, theres sh!t i havent told my best mates about me, as im sure you havent aswell."

Being yourself doesn't mean you have to walk around telling everybody your secrets. It doesn't mean you have to walk up to a girl and say "I want to fvck." Even if that is your true intention, you'll pose too much of a threat to bring that to the surface so fast, even if she feels the same way. What *I* am saying, is that when you walk up to her, instead of saying "I want to fvck", just be you. Be the same guy you are with when you're with your friends. IDENTIFY a time that you can remember TRUELY being yourself, and do that. The silly tricks and tactics aren't really doing anything but having the potential to trip you up. It can ONLY fvck your chances up. If you got laid *using* any trick or tactic, you got laid NOT because of it, but in SPITE of it.

"id still prefer to let her talk more 70/30 , cause b!tches love to talk about themselves."

You're generalizing. But that's not the issue. Some girls will love talking from the beginning, some will feel nervous and shy to open up, and by you conducting an interview, she's feeling more and more uncomfortable. Sometimes it's good to take the lead and talk enough about yourself so that she can relate to something. Again, just let the dynamic flow naturally and you'll know which role to fall into.

You can kino all you want if you enjoy that. But I'm tellin you, it's not making one HELL of a difference either way in terms of you getting laid. You'll have to eventually up the physical level but that isn't 'increaseing interest level' at all.

"MAybe im reading you guys wrong but from what i see you're basically saying that this site isnt worth squat.

This site has very good intentions. However we are ALL caught up in our own dillusional fantasies that by *doing* certain things and acting certain ways, that the MAJORITY of chicks are going to suddenly be attracted. So we do these things and get off on the feeling of control that we finally have (and were lacking before). That's all this really is, a way that we can feel control and power of a situation that has gotten the best of us in the past. A way of revenge, or to make sure we're not taken advange of again. A pool of banged up ego's, looking for vengence and the tools to do it. Unfortuantely these 'tools' and their effects are nothing but illusions. We do them, and things happen (she hooks up with you) but the two have NOTHING to do with one another. The TRUE reason of why she hooked up with you lies beneath the surface.

We could figure out what is happening if we looked deeper. But we'll never be able to understand what the woman across from us is thinking if our ego's are getting in the way of even understand what WE are truely thinking.

"Giving people 'tricks', "techniques" and 'methods" to approach girls might just be the thing they need to get over their initial fear of approaching."

Does it REALLY ever get them over their fear of approaching? If they aren't rejected a few times in a row it may shift their paradigm to a place where they feel they can approach without being rejected, yes. But is that really confidence when they feel that their success is attributed to scripted technique? Is it REALLY helping them if they believe who they are is 'ugly', and they must 'improve'? The technique does nothing but allow them to have something to hold responsible for when they are rejected. "The girl didn't reject you, she rejected what you did because you didn't NEG her" etc.

The feeling of anxiety is still there and always will be until they identify what it is, why it's there, and where it's coming from.