Unarmed Groom Killed

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Not sure if you guys heard about this. All I can say is, damn it sucks.

CBS News said:
Unarmed Groom Killed By NYPD Bullets
Cops Fired 50 Rounds At Unarmed Men Leaving Bachelor Party In New York


(CBS/AP) Police fired 50 rounds at a car of unarmed men leaving a bachelor party at a strip club, killing the groom on his wedding day in a shooting that drew a furious outcry from family members and community leaders.

The spray of bullets hit the car 21 times, after the vehicle rammed into an undercover officer and then an unmarked NYPD minivan twice early Saturday, police said. Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly would not say if the collisions were what prompted police to open fire.

It was too early to say whether the shooting was justified, Kelly said.

Police thought one of the men in the car might have had a gun. But police found no weapons.

"Although it is too early to draw conclusions about this morning's shootings ... we know that the NYPD officers on the scene had reason to believe that an altercation involving a firearm was about to happen and were trying to stop it," Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in a statement.

Kelly said the incident stemmed from an undercover operation inside the strip club. Seven officers in plain clothes were investigating the Kalua Cabaret, and five were involved in the shooting. The gunfire also hit nearby homes and a train station, though no residents were injured.

A veteran officer fired his weapon 31 times, emptying two full magazines, Kelly said. All the officers carried 9 mm handguns.

The groom, who was driving, was identified as Sean Bell, 23. Joseph Guzman, 31, was in the front seat and was shot at least 11 times. Trent Benefield, 23, who was in the back seat, was hit three times. Both men were taken to Mary Immaculate Hospital. Guzman was listed in critical condition and Benefield was in stable condition.

Kelly said there may have been a fourth person in the car who fled the scene.

Three officers, including the officer hit by the car, were treated and released. Another detective remained hospitalized for blood pressure, Kelly said.

A grand jury was investigating the incident. Kelly said none of the five veteran officers had ever discharged their weapons in the line of duty. He has not been able to interview the officers because the district attorney must first complete an investigation, he said.

The undercover officers were inside the club to document illicit activity, Kelly said. With one more violation the club would be shut down, Kelly said.

He said the establishment has a "chronic history of narcotics, prostitution and weapons complaints."

The shooting drew angry protests from family members and civil rights leader the Rev. Al Sharpton.

On Sunday morning, a few hours before a planned noon vigil for the victims, Sharpton told ABC's "Good Morning America" that the volume of shots fired alone raised questions about the police's actions.

"How does one justify 50 shots at unarmed men?" Sharpton asked.

Sharpton went to the hospitals where the men were taken Saturday and afterward held news conferences. At Jamaica Hospital, the civil rights advocate stood with about two dozen members of Bell's and his fiancee's family.

"I will stand with this family," he said. "This stinks. Something about the story being told did not seem right."

Sharpton said Bell and his fiancee had two children, ages 3 years and 5 months.

At Mary Immaculate Hospital, Sharpton said he was outraged to find the survivors handcuffed to their hospital beds. He said Guzman suffered 17 wounds, though it was unclear how many were bullet wounds, and Benefield was shot three times.

"We're not anti-police ... we're anti-police brutality," he said.

The two were unshackled later Saturday and have not been charged with a crime.

Denise Ford, mother of one of the surviving shooting victims, told WCBS-TV correspondent Tamsen Fadal that the men's car hit another vehicle as they left the club after celebrating the groom's impending wedding.

"They made a mistake and ran into a DT car," she said, whereupon she claimed officers exited their car and opened fire.

Bullets pierced another car, a house and a window of a nearby train platform.

Ford blamed what she described as the police officers' over-reaction to the accident: "They're too hotheaded — something needs to be done about them."

Robert Porter, who identified himself as Bell's first cousin, said he was supposed to be a DJ at the wedding. He said about 250 people were invited and were flying in from all over the country. He said his cousin wasn't the type to confront police and that he was "on the straight and narrow."

"I still don't want to believe it," Porter said, "a beautiful day like this, and he was going to have a beautiful wedding, he was going to live forever with his wife and children. And this happened."

In 1999, police killed Amadou Diallo, an unarmed West African immigrant who was shot 19 times in the Bronx. The four officers in that case were acquitted of criminal charges.

And in 2003, Ousmane Zongo, 43, a native of the western African country of Burkina Faso who repaired art and musical instruments in a Manhattan warehouse, was shot to death during a police raid. Zongo was hit four times, twice in the back.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/26/national/main2208778.shtml
 

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I read this earlier on netscape. It started a whole race riot arguement. I hope that doesn't happen here. all I can say Is ... wow thats some fvcked up $hit
 

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The cops say that the driver intentionally tried to run down the undercover cops and intentionally hit their car, but it would be very easy in the excitement of the moment to confuse reckless drunken driving with attempted murder. The driver may have been too sh!tfaced to know what was going on, much less try to run down the undercover cops. It's normal to be very drunk at a bachelor party.
 

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Yeah, it really is sad.
I feel for the both families.

But at the same time if he was intoxicated to the point of running people over then it's better him than some *innocent* family he could have killed on his way home.

DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE!!!
I've lost loved ones on both sides (driving drunk and killed by drunk driver). It's just not worth it.
 

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Another important fact is whether or not the undercover police properly identified themselves as officers. They should have been waving badges and shouting, "stop! police!" That's the only way to tell an undercover cop from a random nut waving a gun.
 

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Read Section IX, Code IV. It says "Police units and security agents within national territory, and armed forces within occupied territory, are permitted to conduct lethal action against civilians in the course of a security action, if the targeted civilians pose as a hinderance or threat to security forces."

So yes, according to National Law, the cops do have the right to shoot people if they're in the way.
 

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Dancer: Police who killed unarmed man 'jumped out shooting'

50 Shots Fired, and the Experts Offer a Theory

John Cerar said:
Until we have some substitute for a firearm, there will always be a situation where more rounds are fired than in other situations.
There are plenty of substitutes. The "problem" is that there are hefty expenses associated with purchasing equipment and training officers to use that equipment. There needs to be federal funding for the equipment and associated training. The California Highway Patrol resisted using radar for many, many years. They viewed themselves as the Knights of the Highway. For them, especially the motorcycle cops, sitting around scanning the highway for problems wasn't what a CHP officer was supposed to be doing. The federal government forced the use of radar by bullying the state legislature. They can do that because they hold the green carrots for a lot of federal projects that states enjoy... That needs to happen for firearms, and the only way that will happen is if the public demands these substitutes. Unfortunately, with propaganda such as that from John Cerar the public is generally ignorant of real solutions to real problems.

There are few issues on which I would ever bring myself to agree with Al Sharpton. Police reform is one of those issues. There should be a better solution to the problem of enforcing the law. The traditional police system dates back to the 17th century. It's about time this outdated and problematic system is renovated for modern, industrialized civilization.
 

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