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The Master Disaster

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So I recently went through a long and drawn out thing and it eventually ended up that I had given up on her and she had friendzoned me.

She invited me to her party on Saturday, and I haven't said if I'd go or not (I probably won't).

So anyways, now I got another problem. I've known this other girl in my french class for over a year.

Here is the back story: This will be our third French together. She and I have always gotten along well. I've transitioned leaps and bounds from where I was a year ago physically and mentally, and she's noticed. However, in the last 2 French classes we have sat on opposing sides of the room, and rarely she and I worked together. When we did, we got a long really well. However, that was that. I never had the balls to ask her out, and we never talked outside of class.

Now, this semester. She sat next to me first day passing up all her friends in class, and everyday we've heavily, heavily flirted for the last 2 weeks during class. I flirt with all the women in that class since I'm the only straight male. I usually get bombarded with flirtation, and it's all in good fun. The first day she and I sat at a table by ourselves, and now the table is full of women sitting around me. She didn't sit next to me one time because women filled up all the seats, and she did this "Oh, I guess there isn't enough room for me at the 'cool' table." So Today, I walked with her after class, and we're getting fairly close.

Last week or so I was pointed out by the professor for going on the study abroad thing with my French class. So after class, I see her looking at the brochures for studying abroad, so I'm "Oh cool, maybe she'll go." Today, she told me she was going to go on the study abroad thing with my French class, which means she and I along with 7 or so other students will travel in France for two weeks.

While we were walking I really want to ask her out, BUT here is the problem. The every so cliche, "She's got a boyfriend thing."

I know that I should write her off, but she sits right next to me for 3 hours a week, and in this language course we spend 50-75% of the class working with partners, so writing her off would be difficult, and I mean how big of an ass**** would I look if she sits next to me, and I minimally talk to her. I couldn't move to another seat because she purposely sits next to me. She'll do stuff to get my attention while the professors lectures. She'll point at my watch if she likes it. She tries on my sunglasses or hat. Once or twice a class, I'll play with her. If I get something right in class, I'll be like "Count it!" and pretend like I'm making a jumper. Then she'll get something right and nudge me and say with a smile "I got that right! not him! Me!" I mean it would be difficult to avoid her...

She's got 3 or 4 friends in that class, but every class she looks for me and sits next to me.

I don't know what to do. I don't want to be friendzoned. The first day of class she sat next to me and mentioned her bf a couple times, but ever since then she hasn't even mentioned him once..

I'm trying to think if I should run the jealousy game with other women or what... I'll get her jealous by just merely talking to other women, and they will flirt with me; then she'll be like "MD! We have to finish this!" in a fun kind of tone. I think I could get her fairly jealous if I tried a little.

I hate this. I have perfect opportunities that I didn't have a year ago, but I can't do it because she's got a boyfriend! The previous girl experience made me lose the fear of getting turned down, but it's like ... ugh.

I was kind of thinking there is test coming up in a week or so, and I might ask her to study with me because it's a non-threatening thing, and that might spring board, or it might be a sentencing for the friendzone... who knows.

At the same time, I'm thinking women will never break up with their boyfriends for you. I see it all the time. Men chase women with boyfriends, and it never works.

What should I do to avoid the friendzone with her?
 

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dude

you have already been put in the friends zone you are just too blind or stubborn to see it

does she like you?

YES she does. AS A FRIEND.

sorry mate. there is nothing you can do. this woman has a boyfriend.

you can try to ask her out, but it doesn't look like it will work out.

why do you guys act so damn stubborn and try to go after women with boyfriends? that is such a damn headache. when there are so many single women out there, you try to chase after the taken ones.. that is stupid to me.
 

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Metaphysical said:
dude

you have already been put in the friends zone you are just too blind or stubborn to see it

does she like you?

YES she does. AS A FRIEND.

sorry mate. there is nothing you can do. this woman has a boyfriend.

you can try to ask her out, but it doesn't look like it will work out.

why do you guys act so damn stubborn and try to go after women with boyfriends? that is such a damn headache. when there are so many single women out there, you try to chase after the taken ones.. that is stupid to me.
Thanks bro. I just needed to hear it from someone else.

At this point, I like this girl, and I would like to get to know her more, which is perfect for me because it's not one-itis like I've been plagued with my life.

I'm glad I posted this because it grounded me before I left my feet. I noticed today I started to get a little to hesitant with my words, which means I care too much about her view of me. It's good though, now I'm aware.

I won't ask her out. I'm not a really certain if I'll ask her to study, but if it pops up in conversation I might present it. She's really good at French, so it could be beneficial for me.

Anyways, I'm going to take this opportunity and have a little fun with. I'll try to work on my game. I want to see how interested I can get this girl. If I can keep myself removed and use the other women in the class, build up my self worth. Let's see how much I can get her to want me. Haha, this might actually be fun.

However, I'll go on pursuing other women.
 

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Just in case you didn't catch that Metaphysical was being sarcastic. She's like you. She's giving you all very good sign. Just ignore the boyfriend. Pretend she doesn't have one, and just ask her out.

If you're too shy to ask her in person, get her email or screen name or phone number or facebook and ask her in a message.

"Hi french girl. Do you wanna go out sometime?"

There write that. Easy as pie.
 

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The Master Disaster said:
Thanks bro. I just needed to hear it from someone else.

At this point, I like this girl, and I would like to get to know her more, which is perfect for me because it's not one-itis like I've been plagued with my life.
lol..guess I was too late. Anyways, here's a nice little quote for you to think about: "All is fair in love and war."
 

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Speculator E said:
Just in case you didn't catch that Metaphysical was being sarcastic. She's like you. She's giving you all very good sign. Just ignore the boyfriend. Pretend she doesn't have one, and just ask her out.

If you're too shy to ask her in person, get her email or screen name or phone number or facebook and ask her in a message.

"Hi french girl. Do you wanna go out sometime?"

There write that. Easy as pie.
If he was sarcastic, I didn't pick up on that at all.

It's not like I'm not too shy. If anything, I'd ask her out to study sometime before this test. See what happens after that because I'd have her number, and we'd be starting a rapport outside of class.

I don't feel it's right to just ask a girl out if you know she's got a boyfriend. You know she'll say she has a boyfriend, and if she agrees you know she's cheating... I don't like that path.
 

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Yeah I'm not so sure Meta was being sarcastic.

If this girl HAS A BOYFRIEND, then I wouldn't be investing all this time into her. However, you could offer to do something small right after class, like grab a bite or whatever. It's pretty low-key and you'll get to know more about her (and perhaps exchange numbers or whatever).
 

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Speculator E said:
Just in case you didn't catch that Metaphysical was being sarcastic. She's like you. She's giving you all very good sign. Just ignore the boyfriend. Pretend she doesn't have one, and just ask her out.

If you're too shy to ask her in person, get her email or screen name or phone number or facebook and ask her in a message.

"Hi french girl. Do you wanna go out sometime?"

There write that. Easy as pie.

:crackup: aaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:crackup: .

Listen to Metaphysical

Sorry my friend, you have been friendzoned.

I think you are mistaking flirtation with good friendship.

She has b/f.

Can't believe you were unlucky enough to be in a class full of gays.

Peace.
 

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2Pac_Makaveli said:
Can't believe you were unlucky enough to be in a class full of gays.
There are like 13 women 2 gay guys and me.

I lost my wingman from last semester in that class. He and I made jokes all class, which always made me the center of attention, and now it's just me...

Today, I had the class again, and I realized we're definitely friends, but I could see if she loses her boyfriend there would be potential between us.

She and I flirt constantly through class, and today was no different. She overtly finds reasons to strike conversations with me, and anytime I'm talking to other women in class. She'll touch me or grab my attention. It's like a 3 year old tugging on your shirt constantly. A girl joined a group of her and me today, and she didn't even talk to the other girl. She talked real quietly to me.. I felt bad for the girl. I kept trying to include her.

If she didn't have a b/f, it would be so damn easy to ask her out now... jesus, I wish this was a year ago when we first met.

Monday, I'll do a couple things to show her I have other options just to see how she'll react. I'm curious to see if she'll show her jealousy, or if she'll back off me. I don't really know what she'll think if I start building myself up because she knows very little about me.

I think if I start sprinkling tid bits of how much I have to offer (guitar, my car, I'm getting published soon); she'll probably get incredibly interested, and then that's when I back off. I'm more or less using her as experiment now.
 

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The Master Disaster said:
Today, I had the class again, and I realized we're definitely friends,
You realized that you two are friends.
Oh boy.
The Master Disaster said:
If she didn't have a b/f, it would be so damn easy to ask her out now... jesus, I wish this was a year ago when we first met.
So you've known this girl for a year. Has she been dating the same guy for this year,since you've known her? Disaster,you seem to have a problem "pining" over women. Also,all the flirting through class and striking up conversations with each other,has this been going on every since you to met?
The Master Disaster said:
Monday, I'll do a couple things to show her I have other options just to see how she'll react. I'm curious to see if she'll show her jealousy, or if she'll back off me. I don't really know what she'll think if I start building myself up because she knows very little about me.
This is actually pretty good. The less she knows about you the better. This way you don't have to worry about the friendzone. Women don't put strangers in the friendzone. They can't. I just hope this statement is true.
The Master Disaster said:
I'm more or less using her as experiment now.
An experiment? You mean like a scientist uses a mouse in a maze? I don't understand what you mean by this. What are you hoping to learn/find out by this "experiment?
 
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