Tryna rizz exchange students

[AntoniousIV]

Im 18m, they're 18f (im almost 19).

So these 2 girls came to my country through erasmus for 1 month as an exchange program. They're not the best looking but I'll take what I can get cus Im pretty high body fat rn. (85kg 186 but not ugly)

So me and my friend talked to them and we organised a date, went on a double date and went great. (no kiss or anything)
Then the next day in the morning i texted them.
Me: You up?
Her: Yeah.
Me : Do you like movies
Her : Yeah why?
Me: Wanna come over and watch sum?
Her: We're gonna be playing basketball with your friend, you should come. (They live in the same village im 30 mins away by bus)

They did that and my friend told me that they were creeped out cus they thought I wanted to **** (ofc I did).
Then next week we went out again (double date with friend)and it went alright no kiss again although she was putting her head very close to me, but I didnt lean in for the kiss for some reason.

During the ending of the date they organised next day a dinner date at their home. And I had no bus that day but was willing to pay a taxi in order to maybe smash.
Next day came and she told me that the male exchange students had to attend our dinner date because the school made it necessary for them to come.

I didnt really feel like going so I made up an excuse that the taxi wasn't driving.

A few days after when my friend and them both came to the city before class they told him, that the fact that I wont go when she told me the guys were going, creeped them out aswell. And that i "didnt try to hide my intentions".


Any advice on how to not be "creepy"? Or maybe sum else, cus they called me creepy a week ago but still went on a other date and invited me home. So maybe look at her actions and not words?

 

[filerfiler]

you're chasing a lost cause here so this is for future encounters. Don't waste any more time with this.

Normally have some social cover. "Wanna come over and watch sum?", is a well known code for come over and have sex. Don't be overt. Keep her guessing

 

[Dr.Suave]

Just read @We_ArE_VeNOM ´s posts. He is possibly the most direct player in here

 

[AntoniousIV]

Just read @We_ArE_VeNOM ´s posts. He is possibly the most direct player in here

Where can I find his best posts? Could you possibly link some specific to my situation

 

[BackInTheGame78]

It's because they weren't interested in fvcking you.

 

[BPH]

Just read @We_ArE_VeNOM ´s posts. He is possibly the most direct player in here

I don't know if I'd suggest that...he's direct but I'd say he's TOO direct...he throws a Hail Mary every play and blows himself out of the water if the girl isn't immediately high-interest.

It's because they weren't interested in fvcking you.

This is the right answer, but I'll expand on some things.

@AntoniousIV first off, you say you're fat...186cm is 6'1" and 85kg is 190lbs. You rockin the Vince Vaugh skinny-fat body? Because this is not overweight in the slightest.

Anyway, let's talk about what you did wrong.

First thing's first, have you had sex before? Because if so you should know better than to try to straight up invite a girl over to "Netflix and chill" when there has so far been zero sexual interest shown. She thinks you're a f***boy, and rightfully so.

Second, don't do double dates. You can't isolate your girl because she's worried about her friend and what your friend is doing with her the entire time. Women will usually mirror each other in these situations, as in one is more the "leader" in these interactions and the other girl will only go as far as her friend goes in terms of escalation. This is because she doesn't want to be seen as a sl**, especially if she's spending most of her time with this friend.

Third, you misinterpreted the invite to their home as interest. You're not a threat there - her friend is there, presumably your friend is there, I would assume the host family is there, and the male exchange students are there. At this point she knows you're a f***boy and invited you more out of obligation than desire, because you'll be in an environment where you can't be pushy like you were over text.

You're 18 so you're inexperienced, which is understandable, but your approach is really only going to get you low-hanging fruit. I know plenty of guys with the "any hole's the goal" philosophy, so if that's your wheelhouse then go ahead and keep doing what you're doing. But if you have standards, this won't usually work with more attractive women that have options.

 

[Clockwerk50]

In my opinion, based on the two girls' perspective, even though they're only in town for about a month, they're open to meeting new people and having new experiences. If the opportunity arises, they're also open to a romantic connection.

However, something about how you looked or acted on that first date caused you to be placed in the friend zone-along with their classmates, friends, and orbiters. The text you sent the next day didn't help either; it came off as both needy (suggesting you need them more than they need you) and self-serving. Also, this is just an assumption, but something tells me your friend is the leader while you're more of his second-in-command.

Start working out, dressing better, and becoming more attractive. Not only will this help you build an identity separate from your friend, but it will also improve your chances of making other girls forget the mistakes during the courtship process. It also helps that you have a height advantage so your time will eventually come. That said, move on - you're just wasting your time. If they initiate texting, simply tell them they can come over to your place and hang out. If you see them around campus saying hi and keep it polite.

 

[sevbucmash]

Message her back today again.

Ask her out to movie theater, but only her. Just you two.

 

[Prepostereax]

They are foreigners.. which could mean that they aren't used to the way escalation works for locals.
I've heard somewhere that touching and kissing during dating proceeds differently from USA to UK to Europe. My info is likely outdated though.
You could check out Roosh's blog, specific to whatever country they came from, might give you some insight.

 

[AntoniousIV]

@AntoniousIV first off, you say you're fat...186cm is 6'1" and 85kg is 190lbs. You rockin the Vince Vaugh skinny-fat body? Because this is not overweight in the slightest.

I've been lifting for a long time, but I am skinny fat. I'm currently cutting, and I'm gonna have a lean physique for the summer. But don't have too much facefat. But it's still not ideal.

First thing's first, have you had sex before? Because if so you should know better than to try to straight up invite a girl over to "Netflix and chill" when there has so far been zero sexual interest shown. She thinks you're a f***boy, and rightfully so.

Yeah so we also did a double date again and I flirted and she flirted back. She asked me how many girls I've been with (with I ofc didn't say anything, just tried to change subject) and told me that I seem like the ****boy type who's had many girls. I think she still might be interested, she keeps putting her face in mine. Maybe she wants to kiss, I'll try next time we go out to isolate them. My friend can say I need to go somewhere or sum and he can take 1 girl with him and I'll take my girl with me. Then I'll take her somewhere and try kiss her.

 

[AntoniousIV]

It's because they weren't interested in fvcking you.

Yeah maybe not, but maybe she's just inexperienced. Not in the dating sense but in the fvcking sense, and I also get that maybe she would want to fvck but I'm just not "him". Not him as in physically but overall SMV.

 

[AntoniousIV]

You're 18 so you're inexperienced, which is understandable, but your approach is really only going to get you low-hanging fruit. I know plenty of guys with the "any hole's the goal" philosophy, so if that's your wheelhouse then go ahead and keep doing what you're doing. But if you have standards, this won't usually work with more attractive women that have options.

How do I catch the "high-hanging fruit"? Cus I understand what you're saying and I resonate with that, I've only been able to get "easy girls" so far.

 

[BPH]

I've been lifting for a long time, but I am skinny fat. I'm currently cutting, and I'm gonna have a lean physique for the summer. But don't have too much facefat. But it's still not ideal.

Yeah so we also did a double date again and I flirted and she flirted back. She asked me how many girls I've been with (with I ofc didn't say anything, just tried to change subject) and told me that I seem like the ****boy type who's had many girls. I think she still might be interested, she keeps putting her face in mine. Maybe she wants to kiss, I'll try next time we go out to isolate them. My friend can say I need to go somewhere or sum and he can take 1 girl with him and I'll take my girl with me. Then I'll take her somewhere and try kiss her.

I think you lost your chance with this girl a long time ago, but if you wanna keep wasting your time be my guest.

Multiple double "dates" and not only have you never made a move, but you also asked her to come over for sex...this ship has sailed, been sunk, rescued by a fisherman, then eaten by a megalodon.

How do I catch the "high-hanging fruit"? Cus I understand what you're saying and I resonate with that, I've only been able to get "easy girls" so far.

Well, for starters, you could try kissing them before you invite them over to f***...

 

[Bokanovsky]

Im 18m, they're 18f (im almost 19).

So these 2 girls came to my country through erasmus for 1 month as an exchange program. They're not the best looking but I'll take what I can get cus Im pretty high body fat rn. (85kg 186 but not ugly)

So me and my friend talked to them and we organised a date, went on a double date and went great. (no kiss or anything)
Then the next day in the morning i texted them.
Me: You up?
Her: Yeah.
Me : Do you like movies
Her : Yeah why?
Me: Wanna come over and watch sum?
Her: We're gonna be playing basketball with your friend, you should come. (They live in the same village im 30 mins away by bus)

They did that and my friend told me that they were creeped out cus they thought I wanted to **** (ofc I did).
Then next week we went out again (double date with friend)and it went alright no kiss again although she was putting her head very close to me, but I didnt lean in for the kiss for some reason.

During the ending of the date they organised next day a dinner date at their home. And I had no bus that day but was willing to pay a taxi in order to maybe smash.
Next day came and she told me that the male exchange students had to attend our dinner date because the school made it necessary for them to come.

I didnt really feel like going so I made up an excuse that the taxi wasn't driving.

A few days after when my friend and them both came to the city before class they told him, that the fact that I wont go when she told me the guys were going, creeped them out aswell. And that i "didnt try to hide my intentions".


Any advice on how to not be "creepy"? Or maybe sum else, cus they called me creepy a week ago but still went on a other date and invited me home. So maybe look at her actions and not words?

You are not the first guy to try to "rizz" average-looking foreign exchange students because he's got nothing better going on at the moment. Women aren't stupid. I'm sure they can sense the vibe immediately.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yeah maybe not, but maybe she's just inexperienced. Not in the dating sense but in the fvcking sense, and I also get that maybe she would want to fvck but I'm just not "him". Not him as in physically but overall SMV.

She wouldn't have said you "creeped" them out multiple times if that was the case.

 

[AntoniousIV]

You are not the first guy to try to "rizz" average-looking foreign exchange students because he's got nothing better going on at the moment. Women aren't stupid. I'm sure they can sense the vibe immediately.

Ignorance is bliss, I'll live in my bliss until they leave.

 

[AntoniousIV]

I think you lost your chance with this girl a long time ago, but if you wanna keep wasting your time be my guest.

Multiple double "dates" and not only have you never made a move, but you also asked her to come over for sex...this ship has sailed, been sunk, rescued by a fisherman, then eaten by a megalodon.



Well, for starters, you could try kissing them before you invite them over to f***...

I've truly got nothing better to do. Living in my ignorance isn't so bad.

After my ignorance I'll learn to hunt megalodon and get that ship back.

 

[BPH]

I've truly got nothing better to do. Living in my ignorance isn't so bad.

After my ignorance I'll learn to hunt megalodon and get that ship back.

Well then you don't have a mindset that'll allow you to improve. You just asked how to do better, then answered that by saying you're comfortable in your current mediocrity.

You're 18 and in college - you have a LOT of things better to do...

 

[AntoniousIV]

Well then you don't have a mindset that'll allow you to improve. You just asked how to do better, then answered that by saying you're comfortable in your current mediocrity.

You're 18 and in college - you have a LOT of things better to do...

I'm near the end of my highschool, not in college yet. I can improve while wasting my time with the exchange students. And if they truly had no attraction then I've been played, and that'll prolly hurt atleast a little. And then I'll learn not to get excited so easily.

Cus if she's not attracted by what she's been doing then it's just her trying to get me to think that she is. My biggest mistake being not trying to kiss her to find out for sure if she was.

 

[BPH]

I'm near the end of my highschool, not in college yet. I can improve while wasting my time with the exchange students. And if they truly had no attraction then I've been played, and that'll prolly hurt atleast a little. And then I'll learn not to get excited so easily.

Cus if she's not attracted by what she's been doing then it's just her trying to get me to think that she is. My biggest mistake being not trying to kiss her to find out for sure if she was.

She's not attracted, she just likes the attention, as with all women.