Truth is, Attraction is 9/10 of the law

[Infern0]

One of my best friends is concensus very attractive guy.

6'2" broad shoulders, good looking face.

He broke up with his GF and went on tinder and was matching at an insane rate. Basically 90% of attractive girls who come into our social circle become interested in him.

He legit has 8/10s who HE friendzones.

The guy has no game, and tbh his personality isn't that great, he can be fun but he's a bit of a ****, not very bright nor very articulate.

 

[AttackFormation]

Which country and area is your buddy doing it in?

 

[oldmanofthesea]

I think it depends on the type of woman, but I knew a guy like you describe and his experience seemed to be the same. He had no game but women would just throw themselves at him. The women that did were pretty basic though. Attractive, but basic. Lots of mak-up, not too bright.

 

[Who Dares Win]

We all know how it works but not any different than old women sometime we find ways to bullsh1t ourself into thinking we can "run the show" by learning game.

A man who thinks he is gonna get the same results of a chad just by learning game is not any different than an old fat woman who thinks a further degree and a promotion at work is gonna get her guys.

No amount of game is gonna push us above anyone with a look score more tha 1 point higher than us, game gets you above someone close in terms of look...just forget fairy tales and 90s movies where the nerds get the girls in the end.

Given the choice between improving my game seriously or get back the hairline I had in my early 20s, I would pick the hairline being totally sure it would be a game changer and Im not even seriously bald.

Confidence allows you to pull the trigger but you need to have a loeaded gun first.

Not trying to be a d1ck but anyone should really ask himself if its worth the hassle given what his current status allows him to get.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

We all know how it works but not any different than old women sometime we find ways to bullsh1t ourself into thinking we can "run the show" by learning game.

A man who thinks he is gonna get the same results of a chad just by learning game is not any different than an old fat woman who thinks a further degree and a promotion at work is gonna get her guys.

No amount of game is gonna push us above anyone with a look score more tha 1 point higher than us, game gets you above someone close in terms of look...just forget fairy tales and 90s movies where the nerds get the girls in the end.

Given the choice between improving my game seriously or get back the hairline I had in my early 20s, I would pick the hairline being totally sure it would be a game changer and Im not even seriously bald.

Confidence allows you to pull the trigger but you need to have a loeaded gun first.

Not trying to be a d1ck but anyone should really ask himself if its worth the hassle given what his current status allows him to get.

"Status" and "popularity" beat "looks". While I don't 100% agree with that you see ugly but good dressing status males with hot babes who "look" better than him. It's not a bunch of Brad Pitts with these ladies at all. At the end of the day popularity wins out.

 

[marmel75]

We all know how it works but not any different than old women sometime we find ways to bullsh1t ourself into thinking we can "run the show" by learning game.

A man who thinks he is gonna get the same results of a chad just by learning game is not any different than an old fat woman who thinks a further degree and a promotion at work is gonna get her guys.

No amount of game is gonna push us above anyone with a look score more tha 1 point higher than us, game gets you above someone close in terms of look...just forget fairy tales and 90s movies where the nerds get the girls in the end.

Given the choice between improving my game seriously or get back the hairline I had in my early 20s, I would pick the hairline being totally sure it would be a game changer and Im not even seriously bald.

Confidence allows you to pull the trigger but you need to have a loeaded gun first.

Not trying to be a d1ck but anyone should really ask himself if its worth the hassle given what his current status allows him to get.

No, game gets you opportunities with women you would not otherwise have oportunities with. It depends on what the woman values with how far you can go or if she will bounce on you if a better looking guy comes along.

Its far too simplistic to just say its ALL based on looks...truth is some very good looking women will be very willing to be with a guy who has good game that is a notch or ever two notches lower in the looks department. And there are others who won't be.

When a woman is attracted to a man physically she gets certain feelings...if a man can give her the same feelings even if he doesn't have the same looks it won't matter much, she isn't necessarily attracted his looks she is attracted to the way his looks make her feel...

 

[mrgoodstuff]

No, game gets you opportunities with women you would not otherwise have oportunities with. It depends on what the woman values with how far you can go or if she will bounce on you if a better looking guy comes along.

Its far too simplistic to just say its ALL based on looks...truth is some very good looking women will be very willing to be with a guy who has good game that is a notch or ever two notches lower in the looks department. And there are others who won't be.

When a woman is attracted to a man physically she gets certain feelings...if a man can give her the same feelings even if he doesn't have the same looks it won't matter much, she isn't necessarily attracted his looks she is attracted to the way his looks make her feel...

Game is experience. It's awareness . It's understanding. "Game" would be okay with using a ho as a "pass around" where no game might try to hold it. Game is attractive. Its the way of the world.

 

[MatureDJ]

One of my best friends is concensus very attractive guy.

6'2" broad shoulders, good looking face.

He broke up with his GF and went on tinder and was matching at an insane rate. Basically 90% of attractive girls who come into our social circle become interested in him.

He legit has 8/10s who HE friendzones.

The guy has no game, and tbh his personality isn't that great, he can be fun but he's a bit of a ****, not very bright nor very articulate.

The YouTube channel FaceAndLMS basically says this. Yes, I know the paparazzi here say that men with a "positive attitude" or "game" can overcome being ugly, but I just don't see it.

 

[corrector]

One of my best friends is concensus very attractive guy.

6'2" broad shoulders, good looking face.

He broke up with his GF and went on tinder and was matching at an insane rate. Basically 90% of attractive girls who come into our social circle become interested in him.

He legit has 8/10s who HE friendzones.

The guy has no game, and tbh his personality isn't that great, he can be fun but he's a bit of a ****, not very bright nor very articulate.

Anyone can put 6'2" on their profile and see if that results in increased response. Was your friend like obese otherwise and still got that pull?

 

[corrector]

When a woman is attracted to a man physically she gets certain feelings...if a man can give her the same feelings even if he doesn't have the same looks it won't matter much, she isn't necessarily attracted his looks she is attracted to the way his looks make her feel...

May as well spray on pheromones then if they can manipulate her feelings.

 

[marmel75]

May as well spray on pheromones then if they can manipulate her feelings.

Or just have high testosterone levels..women have receptors in their nose for it and the longer they are around a guy with high T levels the more attracted they become even if they can't understand why...

Especially if they are ovulating. Nature knows what it is doing.

 

[flowtheory]

Looks definitely isn’t everything. It gets you in the door and noticed. If it’s a ONS or something for a weekend, yes sure that’s all that matters, kind of.
However anything more — short term or long term, looks and physical attraction are probably the 4th most important thing on a list of top 5 qualities a woman desires. It all depends on what the context which is being painted is.

Otherwise if looks were everything, you would only see very handsome male types with really attractive women. And that certainly isn’t the case at all. That’s very rare, to be honest.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Looks definitely isn’t everything. It gets you in the door and noticed. If it’s a ONS or something for a weekend, yes sure that’s all that matters, kind of.
However anything more — short term or long term, looks and physical attraction are probably the 4th most important thing on a list of top 5 qualities a woman desires. It all depends on what the context which is being painted is.

Otherwise if looks were everything, you would only see very handsome male types with really attractive women. And that certainly isn’t the case at all. That’s very rare, to be honest.

Certainly is. And two "fine" people will likely fight more too .

 

[guru1000]

Otherwise if looks were everything, you would only see very handsome male types with really attractive women. And that certainly isn’t the case at all. That’s very rare, to be honest.

FT, the reason you don't always find attractive men with attractive women is because both attractive men and attractive women usually have huge egos, and neither party wants to succumb.

For example: Most 7s and many 8s will kiss my azz, and when we get into a disagreement, they break the silence and come back corrected. With most 9s, usually with one disagreement, it's over, even with a strong frame, as neither I nor she will initiate or return.

Hence, most 9 women as they approach the wall will settle with lower looks with compensating SMV factors with men whom they can control or have their way with. Sad reality, but true.

Looks do matter a lot when it comes to initial attraction. The good news is every man here can look better if they choose to.

 

[flowtheory]

FT, the reason you don't always find attractive men with attractive women is because both attractive men and attractive women usually have huge egos, and neither party wants to succumb.

For example: Most 7s and many 8s will kiss my azz, and when we get into a disagreement, they break the silence and come back corrected. With most 9s, usually with one disagreement, it's over, even with a strong frame, as neither I nor she will initiate or return.

Hence, most 9 women as they approach the wall will settle with lower looks with compensating SMV factors with men whom they can control or have their way with. Sad reality, but true.

Looks do matter a lot when it comes to initial attraction. The good news is every man here can look better if they choose to.

Makes sense. Kind of what I believed

 

[Infern0]

Anyone can put 6'2" on their profile and see if that results in increased response. Was your friend like obese otherwise and still got that pull?

He is a naturally bigger guy, (his dad is like a big fat beerbelly guy who looks like a mob enforcer) but he works out a lot and stays fairly lean.

I have seen him blow up from time to time and go up to 16-18% bodyfat with like a double chin and a belly, but he retains his broad shoulders and big arms.

It has negligable difference on his game, tbh if i was him I'd just train 3x a week because all he needs to do is stay in somewhat decent shape and he's golden.

By comparrison I need to be in very good shape to get near his results. If i lose my shape and go up to >16% plus bodyfat i lose my facial definition and become pear shaped and get zero female interest

If im 10-12% with abs and good definition I'll get like 70% of the attention he gets in average shape. And i actually know game

 

[Infern0]

Looks definitely isn’t everything. It gets you in the door and noticed. If it’s a ONS or something for a weekend, yes sure that’s all that matters, kind of.
However anything more — short term or long term, looks and physical attraction are probably the 4th most important thing on a list of top 5 qualities a woman desires. It all depends on what the context which is being painted is.

Otherwise if looks were everything, you would only see very handsome male types with really attractive women. And that certainly isn’t the case at all. That’s very rare, to be honest.

If you don't have looks you have no initial bargaining power.

Cold approach and tinder are gonna be a numbers game for you, with maybe a 2% success rate as opposed to the good looking guy who gets 75%+ success rate.

Now if you are a truly cool confident guy with game, and you have a great social circle then yeah you might be able to find some success or else if you are happy spending hours upon hours cold approaching. Compared to the attractive guy who can get a HBB with 5 swipes on tinder.

My point is game is all good and well but if you want success you are better off doing everything you can to improve your physical appearance and learning game as a supplement.

You can learn all the game you want if you are ugly as then you are just wasting your time imo.

 

[bigdave17]

If you don't have looks you have no initial bargaining power.

Cold approach and tinder are gonna be a numbers game for you, with maybe a 2% success rate as opposed to the good looking guy who gets 75%+ success rate.

Now if you are a truly cool confident guy with game, and you have a great social circle then yeah you might be able to find some success or else if you are happy spending hours upon hours cold approaching. Compared to the attractive guy who can get a HBB with 5 swipes on tinder.

My point is game is all good and well but if you want success you are better off doing everything you can to improve your physical appearance and learning game as a supplement.

You can learn all the game you want if you are ugly as then you are just wasting your time imo.

no fukking chance anybody has a 75% success rate cold approaching

Even if you're incredibly charismatic and good looking, beefy, lean, stylish...what percent of women are actually open to going out with somebody they talk to for 20 minutes? maybe 30%? Most are gonna be in relationships/married/etc....

That's like saying a great salesman is going to close customers at 80%. Complete nonsense - I'm the best car salesman in my state and maybe in my country and I close like 40%. I make people love me instantly, always work every deal very intelligently, am very handsome and well dressed at work myself but 50-60% of the time, i have no chance at all due to factors I can't control - apply same analogy to dating

 

[Murk]

no fukking chance anybody has a 75% success rate cold approaching

Even if you're incredibly charismatic and good looking, beefy, lean, stylish...what percent of women are actually open to going out with somebody they talk to for 20 minutes? maybe 30%? Most are gonna be in relationships/married/etc....

That's like saying a great salesman is going to close customers at 80%. Complete nonsense - I'm the best car salesman in my state and maybe in my country and I close like 40%. I make people love me instantly, always work every deal very intelligently, am very handsome and well dressed at work myself but 50-60% of the time, i have no chance at all due to factors I can't control - apply same analogy to dating

You don't make enough money to be the best car salesmen in your country bro.

But I agree with the rest of your post, you are very handsome and people love you instantly, hence all the threads you make.

 

[bigdave17]

You don't make enough money to be the best car salesmen in your country bro

I've met a couple guys in the country making more money than me


They were either massively fed by the store (the managers gave them all their easy done deals and appointments through internet department) or they were there for 15 years and had a monstrous client base. I'll take my ability to convert a brand new fresh customer that has never contacted the store into a sale against anybody else in the country, which is what determines really how good of a salesman you are. I don't get fed or get helped by my managers BTW. I would make 250-300K if I received help