Traffic Ticket in California...

[Ken785]

i got a ticket on the i-5 near fresno...i just wanted to pay but the service wont let me. today 7/9/07 was the due date. the automated system says i have to appear in court but no where on the courtesy notice does it say i have to.

the automated system even says if your courtesy notice does not say you have to appear you can post bail. (which contricts what it says about me have to appear.)


the coutesy notice has a different court then the citation notice. the one on the courtesy notice says to send payment to Sanger ,Ca traffic division. but the citation says Firesbaugh,Ca on the ticket on where im supposed to appear at.

i tried calling the traffic division @ sanger court but all it gave me was an automated system to pay...also if i need more time to pay i had to write a friggen letter or appear in court (4 hours away from my house!)

i just wanted to pay my bail and forget it. nowheree on the courtesy notice does it say i have to appear. the automated and online systems wont let me and the automated system says i gotta appear...but they gave me a bail amount in the notice and address to send payment to WTF????

i would just say fvck it and mail the payment but its due today!!

 

[Paradox]

Just mail it. As long as it's postmarked with today's date it should be fine.

 

[Ken785]

thanks bro. the post office is closed right now but i went there and dropped it off in the box anyways. it says on the courtesy notice that they charge extra 300 if not recieved by date but oh well i think theyll accept it cuz in la i paid a day late before and they didnt say anything. i paid $2 extra cuz i heard that if you overpay and they mail you back the extra amount that the point wont show up on your dmv record. dont know if thats true but im giving it a shot anyway.

 

[Create Reality]

i heard its if you mail a few bucks under the ticket. never tried it myself. they just want their money.

 

[Play the Game]

i heard its if you mail a few bucks under the ticket. never tried it myself. they just want their money.

Nah its over ticket. I heard that too, something about the transaction not clearing if you don't cash their 2 dollar refund check.

Worth a shot i guess. Next time get a radar detector though.

 

[Ken785]

Nah its over ticket. I heard that too, something about the transaction not clearing if you don't cash their 2 dollar refund check.

Worth a shot i guess. Next time get a radar detector though.

funny thing is i have one...just not in that car, and if i did have it in their then it wouldnt be on cuz i get annoyed of the beeping going off all the time. $200 for a rader only used it a few times...money well spent. ;p

 

[Ken785]

now the dmv just sent me a warning letter saying im close to being a neglegant driver. its keeping me from getting this job that i want! i have like 5 points on my record. how do i get this removed and how much is it going to cost me? i know i have a 2point conviction that should be erased in september....or at least thats what the company that i want to work for told me (they did a backround check)

 

[ViciousDADogg]

You're in a cali, state of major traffic jams. Get a bike and get pedaling. Such a freeing experience. Plus faster than a car.


For the points to go away you need to give it time. They really never go away, eventually if you collect close to 50 points, you loose your priviledge to drive in that state. So think hard.

Something you doing is working against you.


Best thing to learn to drive properly on the road, so that you can keep your driving previlidge. Is to ride a bike. Then you can ride a cab to learn how a professional driving.


Performance driving? I took mine to two SCCA classes and auto x. Ride a bike to understand why such as5holism does not belong on the street.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Are you still eligible for traffic school?

http://www.mrtraffic.com/12hour.htm

I think you messed up by not getting a traffic lawyer, who could have negotiated away points as part of pleading guilty. Yes, lawyers cost money, but so do points! Especially after you factor in lost job opportunities, higher insurance, and crazy fines for the next violation.

You might still call a couple traffic attorneys and ask if you go to school, if they can go before a judge and get points taken away. I don't know if it can be done after the guilty plea has already been entered. But in this country, with money and a lawyer, most things are possible.

 

[Ken785]

too late to go to a lawyer...points already stamped on my record...the reason why i didnt go the last time is because the judge said i wasnt eligible and have i been to traffic schol in 18 months i said yeah...(even though you can still go)i should have lied and said no cuz thats what the traffic school people said you can do...even though youve been there before 18 months you can go again and still have that point off your record (technically its still going to be on there but it shows you took care of it with traffic school)

 

[Bible_Belt]

i should have lied

No, lying to the judge is felony perjury. Even if other people get away with it, the risk is too great to justify the reward. Not lying was the best decision; you did the right thing.

 

[Obsidian]

In California, state law requires that speed limits be based on speed site surveys that conform with the federal manual on uniform traffic control devices (MUTCD). If you get a ticket in California, you should always call up the guy in the Department of Transportation in charge of keeping up with that stuff. Ask him if they have a recent (within the past 5 years) speed survey for the road you were speeding on. If they don't have the survey, the speed limit was illegal and you didn't break the law. In that case, you subpoena the guy from the department and command him to bring with him (duces tecum) the speed survey report. When he shows up in court on your trial date and can't produce it, challenge the speed limit. The judge should let you off because the speed limit was arbitrary and illegal. (Speed limits are required by federal law to be based on actual engineering principles, but these requirements are often unenforced.) If the judge still decides against you, appeal.

You should look it up.

 

[Ken785]

In California, state law requires that speed limits be based on speed site surveys that conform with the federal manual on uniform traffic control devices (MUTCD). If you get a ticket in California, you should always call up the guy in the Department of Transportation in charge of keeping up with that stuff. Ask him if they have a recent (within the past 5 years) speed survey for the road you were speeding on. If they don't have the survey, the speed limit was illegal and you didn't break the law. In that case, you subpoena the guy from the department and command him to bring with him (duces tecum) the speed survey report. When he shows up in court on your trial date and can't produce it, challenge the speed limit. The judge should let you off because the speed limit was arbitrary and illegal. (Speed limits are required by federal law to be based on actual engineering principles, but these requirements are often unenforced.) If the judge still decides against you, appeal.

You should look it up.

wha whah??? :crazy:

 

[amoka]

Had my share of traffic school few months ago. My 3-points got shaved off my record.

 

[Obsidian]

wha whah???

*Sigh*
I said to look it up if you didn't understand it fully.

Standard:
After an engineering study has been made inaccordance with established traffic engineering practices, the Speed Limit (R2-1) sign (see Figure 2B-1) shall display the limit established by law, ordinance, regulation, or as adopted by the authorized agency. The speed limits shown shall be in multiples of 10 km/h or 5 mph.

Guidance:
At least once every 5 years, States and local agencies should reevaluate non-statutory speed limits on segments of their roadways that have undergone a significant change in roadway characteristics or surrounding land use since the last review.
No more than three speed limits should be displayed on any one Speed Limit sign or assembly.

When a speed limit is to be posted, it should be within 10 km/h or 5 mph of the 85th-percentile speed of free-flowing traffic.

Option:
Other factors that may be considered when establishing speed limits are the following:

Road characteristics, shoulder condition, grade, alignment, and sight distance;
The pace speed;
Roadside development and environment;
Parking practices and pedestrian activity; and
Reported crash experience for at least a 12-month period.

That's the federal regulation. Then there's also a California statute that says basically the same thing, but I don't know what it is exactly. Go look it up. I don't live in California...