Too much butter? (about saturated fats and LDL levels)

[protienpowder]

So far from what I know, saturated fats from meats aren't bad for you cuz they are balanced with monosaturated fats. But what about butter which is mostly saturated fats? Is it recommended that I cut out butter in my diet for olive oil or safflower oil?

 

[Kuroro]

Don't be afraid to eat fat. Just make sure you get a balance of omega-3 and omega-6. If you're trying to lose fat, cut back on the carbohydrates.

 

[protienpowder]

Not trying to lose weight, just keeping my cholesterol in check.

To my knowledge, saturated fats raise LDL levels, and we want our LDL levels to be low. Of course saturated fats are needed, but balancing saturated fats with monosaturated fats is important for cardiovascular health. With this logic, I should avoid concentrated forms of saturated fats like butter.

Yes? No? Anything wrong with my background info??

 

[Kuroro]

Cholesterol is required to transport the fat throughout the body, and stop the fat from blending with each other and create blocks in the arteries. Unsaturated fats require less cholesterol to be transported.

If you do heavy work like weightlifting, I'd advice that up to 50% of your calories come from fat. If you balance out the polyunsaturated, unsaturated and saturated you'll be fine. Just stay away from the trans-fat.

 

[Warboss Alex]

If you do heavy work like weightlifting, I'd advice that up to 50% of your calories come from fat. If you balance out the polyunsaturated, unsaturated and saturated you'll be fine. Just stay away from the trans-fat.

good advice. butter is fine

 

[KarmaSutra]

Don't be afraid to eat fat. Just make sure you get a balance of omega-3 and omega-6. If you're trying to lose fat, cut back on the carbohydrates.

I'm anxious to see what my triglycerides are in January at my next checkup.

 

[Fuglydude]

Cholesterol is required to transport the fat throughout the body, and stop the fat from blending with each other and create blocks in the arteries. Unsaturated fats require less cholesterol to be transported.

If you do heavy work like weightlifting, I'd advice that up to 50% of your calories come from fat. If you balance out the polyunsaturated, unsaturated and saturated you'll be fine. Just stay away from the trans-fat.

Its actually specialized serum lipid binding proteins in combinations with various fats, which form supramolecular assemblies that you call lipoproteins. Its LDL (low density lipoproteins), VLDL (very low), HDL (high) that along with others that transport lipids in serum.

The current thinking is that a favorable blood lipid profile will lower the risk of atherosclerosis and subsequent thrombotic events like heart attacks and strokes. Arteries are blocked not by fat, but by thrombotic events that are caused when there is a rupture of an atherosclerotic plaque and the stuff that dislodges blocks a blood vessel.

Oxidized LDL is supposed to be the principle cause for atherosclerosis (basically a chronic inflammatory condition of the endothelium, that can end with calcification)...as atherosclerosis actually means "hardening of the arteries". Our body's response to the pro-inflammatory stimulus at the endothelium is a key factor in determing the progress and outcome of any atherosclerotic plaques that form.

I think the right combination and quantities of fats are crucial, especially for people who are active. Fish oils/flax oil, and other omega 3 fat supplements are some of the most under-rated supplements around. Obviously its good to be able to get these from your food, but given the kinds of food we eat nowadays its pretty tough to do this...hence I turn to supplementation.

 

[Kuroro]

I stand thoroughly corrected.

 

[KarmaSutra]

Its actually specialized serum lipid binding proteins in combinations with various fats, which form supramolecular assemblies that you call lipoproteins. Its LDL (low density lipoproteins), VLDL (very low), HDL (high) that along with others that transport lipids in serum.

The current thinking is that a favorable blood lipid profile will lower the risk of atherosclerosis and subsequent thrombotic events like heart attacks and strokes. Arteries are blocked not by fat, but by thrombotic events that are caused when there is a rupture of an atherosclerotic plaque and the stuff that dislodges blocks a blood vessel.

Oxidized LDL is supposed to be the principle cause for atherosclerosis (basically a chronic inflammatory condition of the endothelium, that can end with calcification)...as atherosclerosis actually means "hardening of the arteries". Our body's response to the pro-inflammatory stimulus at the endothelium is a key factor in determing the progress and outcome of any atherosclerotic plaques that form.

I think the right combination and quantities of fats are crucial, especially for people who are active. Fish oils/flax oil, and other omega 3 fat supplements are some of the most under-rated supplements around. Obviously its good to be able to get these from your food, but given the kinds of food we eat nowadays its pretty tough to do this...hence I turn to supplementation.

Good job youngblood. Taught me stuff about fats I had no idea about. Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Master Bates]

I'm so glad butter is fine. It makes so much stuff a lot more edible on this damn diet.

 

[Warboss Alex]

I'm so glad butter is fine. It makes so much stuff a lot more edible on this damn diet.

dude, if you are not enjoying the diet you will not stick to it.. what is wrong with it?

 

[mrRuckus]

The current thinking is that a favorable blood lipid profile will lower the risk of atherosclerosis and subsequent thrombotic events like heart attacks and strokes. Arteries are blocked not by fat, but by thrombotic events that are caused when there is a rupture of an atherosclerotic plaque and the stuff that dislodges blocks a blood vessel.

Oxidized LDL is supposed to be the principle cause for atherosclerosis (basically a chronic inflammatory condition of the endothelium, that can end with calcification)...as atherosclerosis actually means "hardening of the arteries". Our body's response to the pro-inflammatory stimulus at the endothelium is a key factor in determing the progress and outcome of any atherosclerotic plaques that form.
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My computer has 2 gigs of DDR2-800 and my video card is an nvidia geforce 6600 GT and i have an intel core 2 duo E6300 overclocked to 3 ghz by setting the FSB to 430. I could do better but the multiplier is locked at 7x and my cpu can't seem to handle more than 1.38v.

 

[Throttle]

butter may also help absorb the micronutrients in nutrient-dense foods (veggies, etc). honestly, how much butter can you really eat? I put it on everything these days (cooked eggs, veggies, etc.), and I still only go through about a pound every 5 or 6 weeks. the amount of corn & soybean oil consumed by the average american in the same time frame outweighs this (pun intended) dramatically.....

 

[JohnnyIrish]

My computer has 2 gigs of DDR2-800 and my video card is an nvidia geforce 6600 GT and i have an intel core 2 duo E6300 overclocked to 3 ghz by setting the FSB to 430. I could do better but the multiplier is locked at 7x and my cpu can't seem to handle more than 1.38v.

Now that I follow.. the lipid blood stream thing? greek.


While on the topic of fat however:

So I've seen a lot on here supporting eating high in fats, even saturated (up to 50% was recommended in this thread for example). I don't debate this as not being the correct course of action. However I've seen articles online (and just about everywhere) that dietary fats are much easier turned into and stored as adipose then carbs and protein are.

Now I'm not one to argue with results, and you guys produce results. I just want to understand how this works. As I read it (and as many before me have as well) eating a lot of fat.. can more easily turn into fat and thus make you fat.

Could one of you point out the missing piece so I'll know why fats are ok and how this all fits together?

 

[mrRuckus]

In the absense of carbs there isn't enough insulin in the bloodstream telling your body to store fat so that saturated fat isn't getting stored "easily."

However, saturated fat and carbs at the same time is pretty much the worst combo.

And fat doesn't make you fat because it comes down to total calories. Fat has 9 calories and a carb has 4 calories. If you're replacing carbs in your diet replace them in about a 2:1 ratio. 2g of carbs replace with 1g of fat. (approximately)

Notice that our country didn't get fat until processed carbs came around. Before that everyone ate butter and whole milk and they weren't fat.

 

[JohnnyIrish]

In the absense of carbs there isn't enough insulin in the bloodstream telling your body to store fat so that saturated fat isn't getting stored "easily."

However, saturated fat and carbs at the same time is pretty much the worst combo.

And fat doesn't make you fat because it comes down to total calories. Fat has 9 calories and a carb has 4 calories. If you're replacing carbs in your diet replace them in about a 2:1 ratio. 2g of carbs replace with 1g of fat. (approximately)

Notice that our country didn't get fat until processed carbs came around. Before that everyone ate butter and whole milk and they weren't fat.

Thanks. The numbers make sense. However mixing carbs and saturated fats one should avoid then right? Wouldn't that make butter on toast a bad idea?

Also I use butter with dishes I make with some veggies (carbs) so that would seem to be right out too.

What am I missing now?

 

[spesmilitis]

Veggies are very low glycemic index, don't worry about them. In fact, the fat helps nutrients in veggies absorb better.

Switch from bread to sweet potatoes/yams. Yum.

 

[JohnnyIrish]

Veggies are very low glycemic index, don't worry about them. In fact, the fat helps nutrients in veggies absorb better.

Switch from bread to sweet potatoes/yams. Yum.

Ok so I just did some looking online and read up on the basics of the "glycemic index". If I eat low glycemic index foods I see it lessens the chance of cardio vascular events (lower triglyceride levels what ever those are.. I'll read more when I get the chance) so this is healthier..


Mr.Ruckus,
I guess this ties into where you were saying eating low GI carbs get metabolized slower so the lower sugar absorption rate (lower sugar levels in the blood) makes it so the saturated fats don't "easily" get converted to body fat?

If this is the case would it be accurate to assume then that low GI carbs + fats are ok.. but high GI carbs + sat fats = better chance to store the sat fat.. as adipose?

However in either case, bread and butter are not the best idea as they seem to fit the profile of being able have the sat fat stored as adipose the easiest. Now I've seen some vets here not advise against eating such (bread with butter or toast+butter in my case). Is this because well.. they don't want to be too over burdening/make it too complicated so the person posting their diet looses focus, gets frustrated and quits/fails..

or is it because, well in some way I'm not seeing.. its ok?

I appreciate the help in seeing the bigger picture here.

 

[mrRuckus]

You can mix them a bit. 5g of fat and 30g of carbs in a meal isn't going to make you fat.

I always separate them but lots of other people don't. It's gonna depend on your personal self. I have no idea if it affects me much or not but it's not that hard to keep all meals to protein/carb or protein/fat and never too much protein/fat/carb.

No i wouldn't eat bread and butter together. Since i hardly eat carbs, plain carbs taste great to me nowadays so if anything i'd eat just the bread alone. I eat whole wheat spaghetti and plain brown rice and it tastes good plain. Fruits are SOOO sweet when you aren't used to candy and other sugary things everyday.

Of course i still have my days where i don't give a damn and eat half a pizza (carbs and fat galore) but i don't see an occassional thing making a difference.

You're 'supposed' to eat the protein before the fat or carbs too but how much of a difference does it really make? I do it when they're naturally separated (chicken and rice) but if i go to quizno's and buy a sub i'm not going to tear it apart.

Don't worry about green vegetables. Have some every meal. SOME are high gi like corn so do avoid those in a fat meal but most are not. Greens are very low and will have near zero effect.