Ticket for failing to stop at stop sign - worth going to court?

[Master Bates]

I have a (optional) court date tomorrow for a ticket I got a couple weeks ago for failing to stop at a stop sign, in Wisconsin. I was driving to my first day of work on a sort of empty road, and I noticed a cop following me for a minute which made me nervous and I guess I was just paying attention to everything (the cop, my odometer, street signs) except for the stop sign. Anyway the ticket is $83 and 3 points. I got a speeding ticket several months ago, which I took to court and got it down from 4 to 3 points. I've been driving for ten years and my record has otherwise been clean. Would there be any point in going to court and pleading guilty in hopes of fewer points or whatever? Or should I just not bother?

 

[Mr. Wolf]

You should have a lawyer, which will allow you to pay fines without any points..

Find a traffic lawyer now and call him up..

It is always worth to have no points at all (because points are for life my freaky d!cky amateur guy).. Take it from a man who had to go to court for criminal driving with expired driver license 6 months or more motherfvcker!

Cops could have taken me to jail and towed my beautiful car if I didn't game them.



P.S. Should you struggle now and don't find a lawyer, go to court.. Hope that cop do not show up or your case get thrown out.. If cops is there and they are ready to prosecute then change you plead to guilty.. A lawyer will be good at this point to get you a deal, 0 points, and guilty.. If this is not final court, and just hearing, then say trial by jury and get a lawyer... Worth every penney.. Struggle 200% to get a lawyer..

Should you face the judgement alone.. Be there.. Judge will call your case, find out if both parties are present. At which point you can chat with prosecutor and the cop.. Try to game you a deal.. You looking for zero points..

Fake you know what you doing..

 

[Rhoto]

$83???!!!!

Try $380 in San Jose, Ca.

$83 isn't worth going to court.

 

[Mr. Wolf]

$83 isn't worth going to court.

Money is sh!t.. Driver license points is slavery and limitations..

 

[Rhoto]

If he's dead set of fighting the ticket consider the following:

1) Is your area a high crime/high police activity area? If so, the cop will be less likely to remember you or the circumstances.

2) Do you want to be responsible for court costs afterwards? (If you lose)

 

[Mr. Wolf]

If he's dead set of fighting the ticket consider the following:

1) Is your area a high crime/high police activity area? If so, the cop will be less likely to remember you or the circumstances.

2) Do you want to be responsible for court costs afterwards? (If you lose)

A) It would be dumb to fight a cop in court if he shows up.. Because cops are good guys and you are bad guy, no matter how much you think you were right.. Cops always win, they are heroes..

B) It does not matter what area you ran a stop sign at..



It's not about fighting the ticket, it's about fighting the system.. The system wants to lock you down with a points system. The more you have, the badder you look.. Points do not go away, ever, they are with you for the rest of your life.. It is your rap sheet..

Realize that there is a system out there and it is out to swallow you whole..

If you think it's some paranoid bull sh!t then you're just being optimistic and inexperienced.

Just the other day I fight a guy and loose because he was wrong and had a mercedez and I was right and had a bicycle.. Legally, mercedez has a right to push bicycle off the road my friend, because the owner is rich..

 

[Rhoto]

It's not about fighting the ticket, it's about fighting the system..

Ya, good luck with that.

And to the original poster, no one forced you to speed right? No one forced you to run a stop sign right? What happens if you hit a child on a bicycle you didn't see..or crashed into some one while speeding? I don't understand why everyone feels that their driving habits are correct and inconsequential, but when the law in simply enforced, they feel that the "system" is holding them down. The system was designed to do just that, punish and mark those who violate law.

Points are built to chronicle bad behavior thus driving records are public. Depending on the amount of points you have, and their causes, every 7 years you can either remove some or all points on your record. First time offenders, can take traffic school, and every 12 months can repeat such school to remove 1-3 points.

Felonies are permanent. Misdemeanors can be, citations never.

 

[Mr. Wolf]

Ya, good luck with that.

Attack formation. Burry me a Geee. I'll tell you a little secret. Lawyers are bullies.. They know laws. They make your opponents follow these laws, instead of bullying you into submission with a promise of quick get away.. Such as paying to get it over with.. Same as giving up..

 

[Rhoto]

Attack formation. Burry me a Geee. I'll tell you a little secret. Lawyers are bullies.. They know laws. They make your opponents follow these laws, instead of bullying you into submission with a promise of quick get away.. Such as paying to get it over with.. Same as giving up..

Of course lawyers are bullies. Thats all a trail is, a comparison of legal counsel.


Why do you think I'm getting my JD? =D

 

[Mr. Wolf]

Hehe.. Wha't JD?

 

[Master Bates]

Ya, good luck with that.

And to the original poster, no one forced you to speed right? No one forced you to run a stop sign right? What happens if you hit a child on a bicycle you didn't see..or crashed into some one while speeding? I don't understand why everyone feels that their driving habits are correct and inconsequential, but when the law in simply enforced, they feel that the "system" is holding them down. The system was designed to do just that, punish and mark those who violate law.

Points are built to chronicle bad behavior thus driving records are public. Depending on the amount of points you have, and their causes, every 7 years you can either remove some or all points on your record. First time offenders, can take traffic school, and every 12 months can repeat such school to remove 1-3 points.

Felonies are permanent. Misdemeanors can be, citations never.

Speeding is not inherently dangerous. Have you ever driven on the Autobahn? I was going roughly the same speed as everyone else; I just got unlucky. As for the stop sign, I'd argue that would probably be more dangerous, but like I said, I was paying attention to other things including traffic, I just didn't see the sign. There were no other cars around me. I would've gotten the same ticket if I were in the middle of no where without a car in a 3 mile radius, that doesn't mean I would have been driving "unsafely". There's a reason I went 9 years of driving without every being pulled over. Anyways, I don't really care. I'm aware of how well I drive. I'm just interested in having to pay as little as possible.

wolf- thanks for the advice. It's probably too late to get a lawyer now. How much do they usually cost for these things?

 

[Analytic]

I always fight any tickets I got, go read up on how corrupted the system is and make your own judgment. You have nothing to loose by going to court. I have research quite a bit about this before, not sure if its different in the states though.

1. If the cop don't show up, you get off scotch free.

2. don't need to get a lawyer just to get your point reduce to zero, you can do that yourself with a plea-bargain.

3. never use those x-cop BS, these guys stay in business on fear. Most people are too afraid to show up in court so they hire these guys. They don't do anything, they just show up and get a plea-bargain, you can do that yourself.

4. Do get a lawyer if you want to fight your ticket, chances are you'll lose but hey you can use the experience.

5. Most insurance company don't really care if you loose 1-2 points, they care more about infractions. However points do matter if you plan on keeping your licenses when you don't have any more points to loose.

6. Most of the time it takes a year for your court date, if you have other infractions on your insurance, hopefully by the time you go to court they have already expire. Infractions usually expire within 3 years, therefor saving you premium increase.

There are more benefit in fighting your tickets, but don't fight the ticket and just go out there and do something stupid again. Learn from your mistake and don't do it again.

 

[Mr. Wolf]

Not much.. But once again, money is sh!t.. You earn it, you spend it, you scew people over it, you get ungry for being screwed.. It's the way to keep you doing things for it, the system...

Go there yourself then.. Hope the cop does not show up or your case gets thrown out.. If not, see if you can game them to zero points and original fine.. If not, change your plea to guilty.. Costs you nothing to try man..

 

[azanon]

Pay the ticket and learn from it.

If you want something sophisticated and fancy that will just waste you time and money, I could make something long and drawn out. Let me know.

"The system" ensures that people like you don't run stop signs and run into people's cars, possibly killing them or their passengers. If you want a society without police, I hear they're giving bonuses if you sign up to go to Iraq. You can be paid to be a part of lawlessness!

 

[Rhoto]

Speeding is not inherently dangerous. Have you ever driven on the Autobahn? I was going roughly the same speed as everyone else; I just got unlucky. As for the stop sign, I'd argue that would probably be more dangerous, but like I said, I was paying attention to other things including traffic, I just didn't see the sign. There were no other cars around me. I would've gotten the same ticket if I were in the middle of no where without a car in a 3 mile radius, that doesn't mean I would have been driving "unsafely". There's a reason I went 9 years of driving without every being pulled over. Anyways, I don't really care. I'm aware of how well I drive. I'm just interested in having to pay as little as possible.

wolf- thanks for the advice. It's probably too late to get a lawyer now. How much do they usually cost for these things?

Unfortunately comparing the Autobahn and US Interstates or individual municipalities is invalid. Heres why:

1) I have driven the Autobahn, and I've seen people get pulled over. I've seen a Carrera GT traveling at a modest 160km slide off the road, flip twice and land in a ditch. Speeding isn't dangerous? How many cars have you crashed in excess of 60mph? I've crashed 5 times, 3 times at Laguna, 1 on the Vegas Drag Strip, and I has hit by a drunk driver on the Bay Bridge. And I've been to Bondurant and Porsche's driving school, I'd like to think I can drive well.

2) Most CA highways, both interstate and state owned, are designed for a flow at 75mph. The speed limit never exceeds that. The Autobahn is more of an arena to flex your nuts, the interstate is transportation.

And $83 isn't **** in the grand scheme of expenses, and fines. Be grateful there aren't a couple hundred more added.


And by the way, even though they technically say they don't, CHP 11-99 Foundation membership is a really effective way to help your standings with the cop that just pulled you over.

 

[Mr. Wolf]

I posted a really smart post in here about the system.. It's gone.. The system has deleted it..

Perhaps it's just a mistake. I saw it posted and it's gone the next time.. Possible.. A55holes that talk sh!t about system always risk to come across as paranoid.. I'll take the risk..

 

[Rhoto]

Man what are you talking about? I ****ing HATE the system.

For one thing, its sexist. Have you ever been accused of rape?

 

[Mr. Wolf]

Tell us what they did to you?

 

[ducaro]

Here you go!



A London lawyer runs a stop sign and gets pulled over by a Glasgow
copper .

He thinks that he is smarter than the cop because he is a lawyer from
London and is certain that he has a better education then any Jock cop.

He decides to prove this to himself and have some fun at the Glasgow
cops expense!!

Glasgow cop says," License and registration, please."

London Lawyer says, "What for?"

Glasgow cop says, "You didn't come to a complete stop at the stop sign."

London Lawyer says, "I slowed down, and no one was coming."

Glasgow cop says, "You still didn't come to a complete stop. License and
registration, please."

London Lawyer says, "What's the difference?"

Glasgow cop says, "The difference is, you have to come to complete stop,
that's the law. License and registration, please!"

London Lawyer says, "If you can show me the legal difference between
slow down and stop, I'll give you my license and registration; and you
give me the ticket. If not, you let me go and don't give me the ticket."

Glasgow cop says, "Sounds fair. Exit your vehicle, sir."

The London Lawyer exits his vehicle.

The Glasgow cop takes out his baton and starts beating the **** out of
the lawyer and says,

"Do you want me to stop, or just slow down?"

 

[Aboleo]

The Glasgow cop takes out his baton and starts beating the **** out of the lawyer and says, "Do you want me to stop, or just slow down?"

Sweet. :crackup:

money is sh!t.. You earn it, you spend it, you scew people over it, you get ungry for being screwed..

Careful, Buddy... you might just "get extinct" with that attitude.