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[cola]

Lately I have been playing the background, and watching the website and this is my opinion.. I see a lot of members especially members with high rep points women bashing.. Misleading people looking for help into a perspective where all women are evil creatures.

So I pose a question; What is the difference between a bunch of grown men sitting on a forum talking about how terrible women are and a bunch of females sitting around talking about how terrible men are?
If someone was to come across a forum with a bunch of women saying how terrible men are everyone on this forum would have all types of snide remarks to make. All women are not terrible creatures, and furthermore you should not lie to these men and tell them they have to become some type of ******* to gain attraction from the opposite sex..

Then another issue I have with the forum, I saw a post with a guy making fun of a large female on POF. I thought to myself, what if it was a bunch of females making fun of a ugly guy from sosuave, would that be acceptable?
Would we not discuss what evil harpies they are?'

Just saying stop being so hard of the females, after all alot of the guys on this forum are probably not all that..
Just venting a bit its open for discussion just try not to flame me too hard..

 

[PrettyBoyAJ]

Your over-exaggerating but there is some truth to your post. Some people here spend a little too much time on this forum rather then in the real world. I really haven't seen too many people here woman bashing. There just spitting some good game to the newer guys on the forum. Many new topics on this forum are people asking the same question. My answers are starting to sound the exact same. As well as people consistently making threads asking for step to step instructions on what to do. You gotta let the game be in you not on you. Make it flow natural.

 

[cola]

Your over-exaggerating but there is some truth to your post. Some people here spend a little too much time on this forum rather then in the real world. I really haven't seen too many people here woman bashing. There just spitting some good game to the newer guys on the forum. Many new topics on this forum are people asking the same question. My answers are starting to sound the exact same. As well as people consistently making threads asking for step to step instructions on what to do. You gotta let the game be in you not on you. Make it flow natural.

Over exaggerating how? Let anyone post a relationship question, or a question about a female. The advice is generic, and the same. " Females are no good ", "*****es aint ****" Your guilty of it too AJ..
Their are some genuine cool females out there who aren't trying to mean or evil.. If she ain't feeling you she just ain't feeling you.. Ain't her fault..

If a female is direct and says "You know what prettyboyAJ, its nothing personal but something about you just rubs me the wrong way" .. She is a *****. If a female dodges you, and avoids your calls until you get the point, she is still a *****.

Hey, new guys all females aren't terrible, just like all guys aren't terrible.
Thats all

 

[PrettyBoyAJ]

You must not read my posts thoroughly. I've defended woman multiple times on here. A lot of my posts are directed towards the guy upgrading HIS game. I'm not with calling random girl *****es anyway. I'm too professional for that. If a female dodges my calls then that means I was slipping on my game and she isn't interested. Sitting over here and pointing a finger at a girl on this forum is not going to do sh!t. This forum is for self-improvement so I try to suggest things which help the OP. Not just use a scape goat.

Read my past posts though. I don't call girls b!tches or sl*ts. I just keep it real with these people. There is not one post that I've posted here that I think I was extreme or wrong. I stand by what I say. I've never said a girl was mean or evil for rejecting someone. I rather them keep it 10% real and reject the dude in the first place so his time wouldn't be wasted.

 

[FairShake]

I really haven't seen too many people here woman bashing.

Whut? Virtually every post is woman bashing.

 

[Kenny Powers]

yeah idk where you've been man but a lot of guys here will call people out on women bashing and say you are the problem not the woman. Sure a lot of guys will come here and biitch about a particular situation and then bash women, but thats just them venting their frustrations which is completely understandable.

The main focus of this site is to help turn AFCs into well-rounded alpha DJs. The latter does not hate on women, but is simply aware of their "shortcomings" and thus seeks high quality women. Thats my understanding at least.

 

[shizz702]

Last I checked at least what I learned from this forum and the advice I still see given is to learn to cut your losses with women when it comes to that and move, spin plates, and to focus on your own self improvement.

OP you are only looking at the negatives you see on here and not the positive. To each their own.

Also, AJ always gives solid advice in my opinion.

 

[floydb25]

Gotta learn to read between the lines, my friend. I bash women constantly, but make it clear that its a specific kind of woman. For instance, the high maintenance, shallow, stuck up ones. Or the manipulative ones. Or the loser ones. I always mention these types as being horrible - then usually reiterate with the quality ones. Kind of like saying, avoid this one, and go for this one instead - with specific details and examples to illustrate just how horrible some of them are. Some guys dont heed the warning signs or red flags; don't take them seriously enough: and don't know what they're getting themselves into.

Also, you sometimes have to tell someone that girl x is a worthless ***** - to get the point across. It's almost necessary to degrade her and pinpoint her flaws, so that the guy in question doesn't mess with her anymore. Afterall, who wants to date a loser? Most people don't even know how to recognize one. You can't just say "oh, she's not bad" - because that's what the person dealing with her is already doing. We're just telling it as we see it - based on the stories provided by the OP's - and suggesting the right frame he should be in.

When offering advice - you also have to tell the harsh reality. That, some girls are *****es; you do have to watch for their bull****; they are going to try this and that on you. It's just reality, and everyone should be warned about these things. Dating is like being in a damn jungle... It's ruthless out there; you gotta know what to look for. Not everyone is nice, quality, or has good intentions - but a lot of them sure act like they do. A lying ***** is a lying *****, no?

Finally, the nature of the forum itself. We're not going to ***** about co-workers, friends, etc. That's not what its about. This forum is inevitably going to have what you mention - because of its very nature. You can't go to a video game forum, and whine about people who ***** about video games. It's going to happen, and is right on topic.

 

[zekko]

I don't think you're overexaggerating, cola. There are some posters who are hardcore woman bashers. Not all, but some. However, I think the truth is that most women you meet are low quality. There are decent quality women out there but they're in the minority. Similarly, most guys you meet are probably low quality, too. But for various reasons, I think the low quality women outnumber the low quality men.

I've often been baffled at the difference between the real world I observe everyday and the world as presented on this forum. As you noted, there are a number of posters here who seriously think that you have to act like an @sshole to attract women, and that they will only be hot for you if you treat them badly. Of course, there are also a number of posters who do not believe this, and will say so.

I've recently come to the conclusion that a lot of people read this stuff, and know that it's not true, but they don't really care about it. They just take it with a grain of salt and write it off as just internet talk. In other words, they don't take it all that seriouslly.

Even with "quality" women though, there's always a chance that she will change, or become attracted to someone else, or whatever. So for that reason, I think it's best to always stay somewhat suspicious of them and alert to their movements. But I like that you are thinking and that you are smart enough to notice this. Some guys just believe everything they are told here and never question anything.

 

[Aaron B]

A person of intelligence will immediately realize that when someone speaks in general terms, it is not intended to apply 100% of the time.

Of course there are exceptions. Focusing on them is not helpful. The exception does not disprove the factual assertion that is meant to apply generally.

What's the difference between men complaining about women and women complaining about men? That's none of my concern.

I'm a man who dates women. Women complaining about us doesn't register for me. It is unimportant.

We can talk about HUMANS in the same terms. As a group, humans are ****ing annoying as **** in general. Fortunately I don't have a strong sexual desire for humans. I have a strong sexual desire for WOMEN.

Let's be honest: if it weren't for our p.ussy preoccupation, we would have almost nothing to do with women. They are annoying (in general) and they are hard to deal with (in general).

The reason that this website exists at all is testimony to that.

Lastly, I don't live my life for message board style points. I'm going to call it like I see it.

Not complaining or not calling a spade a spade isn't "taking the high road." It's an attempt to impose my idealism on the world, which is simply impossible.

I can only live in reality. And the reality is that in general, attractive women in the US are spoiled, opinionated, self-centered, used to having their asses kissed, etc.

Because of our p.ussy preoccupation, we are forced to deal with them. Personally I would rather learn how to do this in the best way FOR ME than worry about how I'm being perceived on the internet.

I do not say these things in public when women are around because I consider it disrespectful and I damn sure don't tolerate women talking bad about men around me. Now if a woman opens that door by bashing men, I'll damn sure walk thru it and set her straight with my logic because most women simply haven't ever considered things from our point of view.

If a woman comes to this website and reads my words and becomes offended, that's her own stupid fault.

What I need to do with my own thought process and here on this forum isn't intended for female consumption. Treat her well when she deserves it. Don't disrespect her. Don't tolerate her disrespect.

Seems pretty simple to me. Quit worrying so much about what "should be" and focus more on what you can actually control and change: yourself, your thoughts, your attitudes, your beliefs.

I didn't choose to be this way. I'm not saying my way or our way is the best. Show me a better way, and I'll be happy to scrap what I know and adopt the superior method. Logically show me that I'm wrong and I'll be happy to change my ways.

But you considering something distasteful and imposing your own judgement on it isn't going to change a thing.

 

[ScottMustaine]

I just read these posts and come to conclussion.

We're both working on same principle, it's just the colours are different.

Women act *****y because their ego's are at the edge of humiliation by the society. Such as being fked on first date and telling her girlfriends about it.

Guys act jerky and some look at the women like they are all *****es, thus treating them all the same.

It's not really their fault for being taught to expect everything to be done by men, it's been like that for centuries. It's not our fault for being taught by our mothers for acting nice. Time changes and thus the 'game' is changing. So being the nice guy now sucks. Before being nice was being 'with manners'. You know, patriarchal community etc.

Of course there were always attention *****s, money *****s, sluts, and the 'one's.

Same goes with guys.

It's just a matter of pairing. Jerk male with jerk female. Nice guy with 'nice girl'.

Of course, nobody said this life was easy.

On this site you preferably are advice to improve yourself, your game, and advice to improve on the aspects where 'MOST' (not all.) women find attractive as a quallity to a guy.

Some like being dominant females, some like being led by leader. (this the 'natural' order).

Also you can't possibly tell 'females are indecisive'.

We are indecisive as well. Just remember when you went into club and saw all those 3 girl friends near each other. You had a bit of a hard time picking up, didn't ya? You knew if you chosen one and she rejected you, then it would be (almost) pointless chasing the other 2 girl friends of her that night.



But for the most part, I think I can explain why most of us guys like to call them *****es. It's defensive mechanism. It helped me, a lot, drastically to just move on to my next target, I did it until I got a girlfriend. And I still think all women are slutty (read sexually open, ready to fk hot guy), just like we are ready to fk hot women. It's the society which encourages guys for doing it.



Obviously, just because you are on this forum, learned 'the game' , doesn't mean you can get any girl you want. It just helps you to get a girl you like. If that was the case, then you guys would be out of girlfriends long time ago.

 

[ArcBound]

Last I checked at least what I learned from this forum and the advice I still see given is to learn to cut your losses with women when it comes to that and move, spin plates, and to focus on your own self improvement.

OP you are only looking at the negatives you see on here and not the positive. To each their own.

Also, AJ always gives solid advice in my opinion.

This. I always try to tell posters out there to get experience for themselves. Most of the ones who bash women all the time are the same posters like DonGorgon + company who believe all women are *****s and etc..I've seen plenty of other posters give really good advice that doesn't just bash women.

Second you will see some bashing of women because this is a dating/seduction site. If everyone here was a cassanova this site wouldn't exist, and 1 catch of people coming to this website is there are a lot of failures. And when people fail they tend to attribute it to the opposite sex rather than themselves. This is a universal and non sex specific trait.

But seriously there are countless good posters like Iceberg, Victory Unlimited, backbreaker, f282300, Colossus and countless others who consistently give out good info to posters without being rude or hating on women. You going to tell me you forget when they give their advice?

In fact OP I gave your post a benefit of a doubt and looked at the top 15 threads. Absolutely none of them had women bashing and were in fact more about confidence, nexting and spinning plates

 

[Konada]

OP I understand where you are coming from. At some point in time I was sucked into the whole women bashing hype in the forums after reading posts.

This is a dating/seduction site so naturally as the earlier posters have put it, people come here with problems. The amount of negativity here you see about women flaking, pulling BS etc are pretty much gonna be the same amount of negativity you see on female oriented dating sites, for a lack of a better term.

It's very easy to get sucked in when you don't see the other half the picture often. Threads like successful FRs or even people posting about their smooth relationship (honestly if anyone had a good sailing relationship would they even post anything about it?) are few and far in between.

 

[bigneil]

I saw a post with a guy making fun of a large female on POF

I saw that post and tried to reply but had reached the limit. That was the saddest post I've seen on this forum, especially because, if you looked closely at that overweight woman, you could see that she was a perfectly lovely lady who just had a weight issue. We're supposed to help people but at least not hurt them. That said, Arcbound is correct that you are exaggerating the woman bashing here (and I immediately suspected you were a woman).

I will say that, now that I happened upon the Enlightenment that is True Love, I realize how far off 99% of us have been by focusing on sex as the end goal. The sex is nothing compared to the rush you get when you truly, emotionally connect to your dream girl.

 

[SamTheHobit]

Don't be fooled.. All women are evil.

 

[bigneil]

Don't be fooled.. All women are evil.

Yes, but when you apply the Bottom Line factor (she is having sex with me and I am happy), combined with the wisdom of knowing that someone can only hurt you if you are trying to take something from them (i.e. to have no need), and you remain a challenge so they pursue you, a man will find true bliss. After 4 months, what's the worst she can do? Leave me? It's already been a good relationship.

Remember:

Only 1 in 10 men is over 6 feet tall.
Only 1 in 10 men is handsome.
Only 1 in 10 men makes more than $100K per year.

So only 1 in 1000 men is tall AND handsome AND makes over $100K.

I'm not saying I'm all of that, but you might be. Find your strengths and know your value.

 

[GameTime76]

ALL WOMEN ARE HO's UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT!!

You might work with a girl you like and think she's sweet and innocent. What you don't know is she has a boyfriend and is fvcking 3 other guys...

Or the Married woman sneaking around...

Or the single girl posting adds on craigslist looking for 5 random guys to come over and bang her.

It happens all the time. Men do the same B.S. too. BUT this site is for MEN who want to improve themselves and find a GOOD girl, or just get laid. So what kind of subjects do you expect to find on here? The truth can be harsh!

Also, I dont believe this site is about bashing women. I mainly see post of clueless guys who cant handle replying to a text message on their own. Yet they neglect reading anything from the DJ Bible which would solve most of their problems.

 

[Jariel]

To be fair the guy does raise a good point. There is a lot of cynicism about women on here and even I admit to a degree of hypocrisy in my standards.

The problem is some guys just go from one extreme of being too nice to being total d!cks and woman haters and their bitterness comes out in their advice.

The right path is somewhere in the middle. Knowing how to appreciate women, find there best qualities and enjoy their company, but also being aware that they can be manipulative, cruel and deceitful before you put your heart on the line.

 

[Alex DeLarge]

The problem is some guys just go from one extreme of being too nice to being total d!cks and woman haters and their bitterness comes out in their advice.

This is so true. In the past, I noticed myself doing this SO MUCH. Every single girl I ever talked to who was giving me "mixed signals" (given after only 2 weeks or so of dating.. mostly flaking on dates, not returning texts/calls etc..). I would just automatically assume "This girl's a b1tch. I bet she's dating a ton of other dudes, fvck her!" When in reality, sure she may have been.. But why would I let that affect me? I'm a pretty fvckin cool guy! I would lose it and say something like "Listen, you can't just play games with me like this."

Lately, I had just dated a pretty cool girl for about a month and ended things. But I noticed she was going a little cold after 2 weeks. Instead of flipping out.. I just gave her some space, then she recontacted me and she opened up to me a little more, and we connected a lot. I mean, eventually things went awry but I had a good time while it lasted.. And for once I don't feel bitter ending things with a girl.

You just gotta do the date thing, make the moves (escalate), and give her some space too. Don't ever freak out.. If a girl does something you don't agree with, let her know in a calm manner. If problems persist, then it's time to end things.

 

[bigneil]

I agree AlexDP. Your woman can never hurt you unless you let her, in particular unless you are ASKING for something. Ask for nothing. Be selfless and you remain a pillar in her life, one that she cannot budge. She can never stray when she's chasing you. So keep her chasing you always, and take only what she is offering.