This contrasting couple narrative is bull crap

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The manosphere makes it seem like every woman is dating 3 + smv points above their league or guys that are 10 years older. Go outside for once and you will see that the vast majority of couples are basically similar(1-2 smv points difference max) to each other in looks, income, age, lifestyle, social circles, race, and etc. Hell, I’ll go out and say that most people date people that look like them lol.
 

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The manosphere makes it seem like every woman is dating 3 + smv points above their league or guys that are 10 years older. Go outside for once and you will see that the vast majority of couples are basically similar(1-2 smv points difference max) to each other in looks, income, age, lifestyle, social circles, race, and etc. Hell, I’ll go out and say that most people date people that look like them lol.
Most men in their 30s/40s are pussie beggars who can only get similarly aged women.

While women can get sex from men 2-3+ SMV points above them, they might only get commitment from men close to their own SMV range. This does cause inner conflict in a woman.
 

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The manosphere makes it seem like every woman is dating 3 + smv points above their league or guys that are 10 years older. Go outside for once and you will see that the vast majority of couples are basically similar(1-2 smv points difference max) to each other in looks, income, age, lifestyle, social circles, race, and etc. Hell, I’ll go out and say that most people date people that look like them lol.
That is correct, especially the age gap part. A lot of guys who couldn't get girls in their teens or twenties are fantasizing about their dream life, starting at 40.

Also, don't forget that women get flown to Dubai all the time :D
 

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Hell, I’ll go out and say that most people date people that look like them lol.
There´s this girl at work. She is dating a guy that looks so similar to her, everyone thinks they are siblings. I tease her about it all the time.
 

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Most men in their 30s/40s are pussie beggars who can only get similarly aged women.

While women can get sex from men 2-3+ SMV points above them, they might only get commitment from men close to their own SMV range. This does cause inner conflict in a woman.
I disagree on the latter part I've seen white women date men in LTR's that are 5+ their SMV points those men tend to be Black and Asian though usually lmfao
 

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I disagree on the latter part I've seen white women date men in LTR's that are 5+ their SMV points those men tend to be Black and Asian though usually lmfao
SMDH, it's usually black men too with white women and other races. I recently found out that my black friend is now dating a fat Iranian chick and this guy is good looking with a six pack. I'd say Hispanic men are second worse and Asian men the least. In the US, Hispanic and Asian women can compete against white women in the dating market, so I guess it makes sense.
 

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The manosphere has a particular interpretation of reality.

Any man on this forum who go out to actually observe the reality that surrounds them will be light-years ahead of the manosphere, IF they can separate the interpretations from the raw observations (subjective from objective).

Critical thinking is in short supply these days, so being capable of this is more of an advantage than ever before.

Being a follower of any worldview is limiting and prevents gaining perspectives that might be superior, but ignored merely because it doesn't fit with the culture of the group. Being against a worldview as a whole is equally limiting as it might lead to ignoring perspectives that might actually be superior, accepting parts of it doesn't mean accepting all of it.

The manosphere is just a little box in the corner of my mind, a collection of what this group generally thinks about various things. It holds no special significance above any other knowledge I have collected, I pick out the parts that have proven to serve me and leave the rest.
 

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The manosphere is a joke, it's not a secret, like Fresh and Fit are frauds and always have been, they've been exposed countless of times, I don't consider them to be part of the manosphere but I know many posters here do so for their sake I include it.

My focus on age extends into 2 areas: Entering and exiting prime and ability to produce healthy offspring. Primetime to me means a lot more about the lifestyle your leading than your age in my opinion, but that's just me. Producing healthy offspring, I mean this is an established science, but there are outliers, like Mike O'Hearn and his woman just had a kid, he's in his mid 50s and she gave birth mid 40s, obviously this isn't the rule though.

My biggest red flag in these discussions are generalizations: how can you question somebody making a generalization, but in that question, pose your own generalization and not see your own as equally ridiculous?

For example, when I was 22, I dated a woman who was 45 or probably even older than that, one thing, she didn't want to go into super public events with me because people would constantly confuse me as her son, "No, this is my boyfriend" of course at the time I didn't get it and I didn't care.

If I was dating an 18 year old, there are likely people that would make that same assumption, she's my daughter or related to me, so I would make a point to stay out of the public eye with that person and I would certainly keep public displays of affection to a minimum. Why? Cause your hands in the damn cookie jar and everyone knows it... The second they saw us dating for example, they knew there was some unknown information, that being this broad was loaded and I had a hankering to spend some money, but one of these assumptions basically led to a lot of tension one time and that tension led to other more negative things.

If you only believe what you can see, what are your observations really worth?
 

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The manosphere makes it seem like every woman is dating 3 + smv points above their league or guys that are 10 years older. Go outside for once and you will see that the vast majority of couples are basically similar(1-2 smv points difference max) to each other in looks, income, age, lifestyle, social circles, race, and etc. Hell, I’ll go out and say that most people date people that look like them lol.
So this article is lying?

If not lying, then who are the 70% of women dating, when only 40% of men are in relationships? The numbers should obviously match. 70% of women are in relationships... 70% of men should be in relationships.. But only 40% of men are in relationships.

People are not pairing off correctly. Why are 70% of women going after only 40% of the men? We can only rationally assume these men have higher smv then most of the 70% of these women. It's not mathmatically possible for any other explaination.

Quick demonstration. Lets assume only 10 men and 10 women exist. The men are ranked from 1 to 10. The women are also ranked from 1 to 10. If 7 of the women are dating only 4 of the men, that means a lot of these women will have SMV lower than the 4 men. It's just math.

In other words, there are quite a few women dating higher than their rankings. The old pump and dump by chad. There is no other real conclusion...
 
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I disagree on the latter part I've seen white women date men in LTR's that are 5+ their SMV points those men tend to be Black and Asian though usually lmfao
They’ve been brainwashed to believe that dating a white chick (even if she’s a land whale) improves their social status. Slaves to the white pvssy…lol
 

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Pro tip: stop spending so much time on the internet and you'll start actually seeing what reality is like. if I'm on the internet, Im either in a cigar community talking cigars, on a forum for corvette/z06 owners, reading/watching stuff about boxing/ufc/fitness, other sports, or about business or managing my businesses, making moves, managing my team, contacting suppliers, shopping for sht i need online,or trying my best to help dudes on here.

I guarantee no one in my circle knows what the "manosphere" is. sht, i don't even know what that is but I'm guessing it refers to online dating influencers/redpill influencers.

You dudes need to realize, the internet is your enemy... In my weakest moments i spent too much time on the internet and was not very productive.. but sht, me at my worse, is better than most.. thats just discipline and knowing what the fucc you gotta do day in and day out.

Nothing I ever preach is different or contradictory.. you'll see me sayin the same sht over and over on here..
 

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I believe it is naturally tempting for familiarity of comfort and conforming to social norms to date within your demographic. With that said, there are plenty of young guys that would happily bang any hot cougar that offered. The frightening popularity of the "step-mom" genre on dirty websites, leads me to believe that many desire such an encounter.

I also know old fat and broke Latino gentleman with slicked back dyed hair that's straight out of a '50s bad boy show. He has no substantial amount of money or looks, but he is a master of conversation and it is hard not to laugh at his wacky stories. He married an attractive 21 year old Latina babe and now they are having a kid together. While this is certainly anecdotal, it did indeed happen.
 

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So this article is lying?

If not lying, then who are the 70% of women dating, when only 40% of men are in relationships? The numbers should obviously match. 70% of women are in relationships... 70% of men should be in relationships.. But only 40% of men are in relationships.

People are not pairing off correctly. Why are 70% of women going after only 40% of the men? We can only rationally assume these men have higher smv then most of the 70% of these women. It's not mathmatically possible for any other explaination.

Quick demonstration. Lets assume only 10 men and 10 women exist. The men are ranked from 1 to 10. The women are also ranked from 1 to 10. If 7 of the women are dating only 4 of the men, that means a lot of these women will have SMV lower than the 4 men. It's just math.

In other words, there are quite a few women dating higher than their rankings. The old pump and dump by chad. There is no other real conclusion...
Top tier men are monopolizing and using a different definition for relationship.

A woman who is a 6 is having sex with a man who is an 9. It happens all the time. She thinks she's in a relationship with him when she's just one plate in a rotation. The 9 enjoys the sex with the 6 and then moves on to have sex with his other plates.

Meanwhile, men in the 5.5 - 6.5 range are getting shut out from getting into a relationship with that 6. The men in that range would have sex with her AND commit to her more meaningfully. Today, it's common to see more and more lower tier men shut out of the sexual marketplace. The 50th percentile guy today is virtually ignored by the 50th percentile woman, unless they happen to have a social circle connection in common, and even then she's not thrilled about having to settle for him.

This is why it is said that women would rather share a top tier man (typically called alpha) than have exclusivity with a lower value man (typically called beta).

I believe it is naturally tempting for familiarity of comfort and conforming to social norms to date within your demographic. With that said, there are plenty of young guys that would happily bang any hot cougar that offered. The frightening popularity of the "step-mom" genre on dirty websites, leads me to believe that many desire such an encounter.
Dating within your demographic is the easiest thing to do in a lot of cases. There are multiple demographic factors. The most common ones are age and race/ethnicity.

Age: Younger men have it easier in terms of access and quantity. When a man is roughly 18-29, he has access to the most unmarried women possible. That doesn't mean everything, but it is a good thing. A lot of those 18-29s will be in a relationship and not open to new penis at the moment he approaches in real life. It's easier to approach in real life too. From ages 21-29, the bars are filled with similarly aged women in similar stages of life. Social circle setups are also easier. On the swipe apps, there's also a lot of quantity in the same age range and women tend to choose someone similarly aged on the swipe apps with the abundance they have.

Things become more complicated for most men somewhere in their 30s, especially the 35-39 range. In their 30s, it becomes more difficult to men to be taken seriously by women in their 20s. The larger the age gap, the more likely a man needs to be an outlier type case to be considered. For men 33+ seeking a woman 10+ years younger, he's probably going to need money to get serious consideration for this type of relationship. Most men don't have enough money to impress a woman 10+ years younger.

Men in their 30s may not spend time in same places in real life as women in their 20s, reducing the chances of an interaction. This is more likely the case for men with children than childless men. A childless man in his 30s can live a lifestyle similar to a 20 something woman with freedom. This might enable a real life interaction to happen, but that doesn't mean the real life interaction will result in a first date or an extended relationship. Most of those interactions will be meaningless. This gets even worse for men 40+ seeking interactions with women 10+ years younger.

Additionally, men 35+ are very unlikely to get swiped right on by women in their 20s. Men in their low 30s can get right swipes from women in their late 20s but right swipes with a 5+ year age gap are less common. Those match percentages are low.

What do men do with regard to age in their 30s/40s with these obstacles? Men will usually do things to reduce the age gap. They'll settle for women close to their own age to increase the probability of a successful match, either on the apps or in real life. This is more commonly happening on the apps and needs no explanation but I'll explain what a 30s/40s man would do in real life to reduce the age gap. The most common tactic that a 30s/40s man would use in real life would be going to a nightlife venue with similarly aged women. In bigger cities, there are nightlife venues that tend to be frequented by 30+ women. There are a few non-bar tactics that 30s/40s men to meet 30+ women, but these are more challenging to implement and are marginally effective at best.

Race/Ethnicity: Generally speaking, it is easier to date within your own ethnicity/race than outside of it.

I can elaborate on my specific experiences as a White man who has mainly interacted with White women.

I have noticed over time that it is easier for me to interact with White women than non-White women. Over time, I have tended to go to places where White women tend to be more than non-White women. I've never had good social circle options with non-White women either.

My sense is that it is easier for the typical person to interact with people within their own races/ethnicities.

As a 30+ childless man, I've wanted to date childless women. The childless women who have been and are now close to my age are White women.

When I was on swipe apps and dating websites before that, I also noticed that more of matches/responses were from White women as compared to non-White women.
 

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The manosphere has a particular interpretation of reality.

Any man on this forum who go out to actually observe the reality that surrounds them will be light-years ahead of the manosphere, IF they can separate the interpretations from the raw observations (subjective from objective).

Critical thinking is in short supply these days, so being capable of this is more of an advantage than ever before.

Being a follower of any worldview is limiting and prevents gaining perspectives that might be superior, but ignored merely because it doesn't fit with the culture of the group. Being against a worldview as a whole is equally limiting as it might lead to ignoring perspectives that might actually be superior, accepting parts of it doesn't mean accepting all of it.

The manosphere is just a little box in the corner of my mind, a collection of what this group generally thinks about various things. It holds no special significance above any other knowledge I have collected, I pick out the parts that have proven to serve me and leave the rest.
100% agree
 

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Top tier men are monopolizing and using a different definition for relationship.

A woman who is a 6 is having sex with a man who is an 9. It happens all the time. She thinks she's in a relationship with him when she's just one plate in a rotation. The 9 enjoys the sex with the 6 and then moves on to have sex with his other plates.

Meanwhile, men in the 5.5 - 6.5 range are getting shut out from getting into a relationship with that 6. The men in that range would have sex with her AND commit to her more meaningfully. Today, it's common to see more and more lower tier men shut out of the sexual marketplace. The 50th percentile guy today is virtually ignored by the 50th percentile woman, unless they happen to have a social circle connection in common, and even then she's not thrilled about having to settle for him.

This is why it is said that women would rather share a top tier man (typically called alpha) than have exclusivity with a lower value man (typically called beta).



Dating within your demographic is the easiest thing to do in a lot of cases. There are multiple demographic factors. The most common ones are age and race/ethnicity.

Age: Younger men have it easier in terms of access and quantity. When a man is roughly 18-29, he has access to the most unmarried women possible. That doesn't mean everything, but it is a good thing. A lot of those 18-29s will be in a relationship and not open to new penis at the moment he approaches in real life. It's easier to approach in real life too. From ages 21-29, the bars are filled with similarly aged women in similar stages of life. Social circle setups are also easier. On the swipe apps, there's also a lot of quantity in the same age range and women tend to choose someone similarly aged on the swipe apps with the abundance they have.

Things become more complicated for most men somewhere in their 30s, especially the 35-39 range. In their 30s, it becomes more difficult to men to be taken seriously by women in their 20s. The larger the age gap, the more likely a man needs to be an outlier type case to be considered. For men 33+ seeking a woman 10+ years younger, he's probably going to need money to get serious consideration for this type of relationship. Most men don't have enough money to impress a woman 10+ years younger.

Men in their 30s may not spend time in same places in real life as women in their 20s, reducing the chances of an interaction. This is more likely the case for men with children than childless men. A childless man in his 30s can live a lifestyle similar to a 20 something woman with freedom. This might enable a real life interaction to happen, but that doesn't mean the real life interaction will result in a first date or an extended relationship. Most of those interactions will be meaningless. This gets even worse for men 40+ seeking interactions with women 10+ years younger.

Additionally, men 35+ are very unlikely to get swiped right on by women in their 20s. Men in their low 30s can get right swipes from women in their late 20s but right swipes with a 5+ year age gap are less common. Those match percentages are low.

What do men do with regard to age in their 30s/40s with these obstacles? Men will usually do things to reduce the age gap. They'll settle for women close to their own age to increase the probability of a successful match, either on the apps or in real life. This is more commonly happening on the apps and needs no explanation but I'll explain what a 30s/40s man would do in real life to reduce the age gap. The most common tactic that a 30s/40s man would use in real life would be going to a nightlife venue with similarly aged women. In bigger cities, there are nightlife venues that tend to be frequented by 30+ women. There are a few non-bar tactics that 30s/40s men to meet 30+ women, but these are more challenging to implement and are marginally effective at best.

Race/Ethnicity: Generally speaking, it is easier to date within your own ethnicity/race than outside of it.

I can elaborate on my specific experiences as a White man who has mainly interacted with White women.

I have noticed over time that it is easier for me to interact with White women than non-White women. Over time, I have tended to go to places where White women tend to be more than non-White women. I've never had good social circle options with non-White women either.

My sense is that it is easier for the typical person to interact with people within their own races/ethnicities.

As a 30+ childless man, I've wanted to date childless women. The childless women who have been and are now close to my age are White women.

When I was on swipe apps and dating websites before that, I also noticed that more of matches/responses were from White women as compared to non-White women.
The whole "plates" thing is far from reality, very few men have 2 girls, most men have one or none. What happens most of the time is that the guy 9, settles down with the hb6-7, most guys are bluepilled including the socalled "Chads" which is really subjective (Chads), Chads dont really exist, its redpill stuff. yeah some guys are upper on the attraction scale but they dont get laid that much, some yes but the majority no.

As a former fashion photographer I worked with male models, most of them dont get laid more than you and me, and most of the time they date lower value girls.
 

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The whole "plates" thing is far from reality, very few men have 2 girls, most men have one or none. What happens most of the time is that the guy 9, settles down with the hb6-7, most guys are bluepilled including the socalled "Chads" which is really subjective (Chads), Chads dont really exist, its redpill stuff. yeah some guys are upper on the attraction scale but they dont get laid that much, some yes but the majority no.

As a former fashion photographer I worked with male models, most of them dont get laid more than you and me, and most of the time they date lower value girls.
To be fair, most models aren't paid in perpetuity like you are as a photographer though, they are paid a upfront fee and that's if they are not through an agency which has its own take.

If he makes it big, great, but I know a couple male models myself and unless they have prolific success they are paid a pittance.

I would suggest we live in a climate of money over looks currently, hasn't always been that way but yeah
 

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The manosphere has a particular interpretation of reality.

Any man on this forum who go out to actually observe the reality that surrounds them will be light-years ahead of the manosphere, IF they can separate the interpretations from the raw observations (subjective from objective).

Critical thinking is in short supply these days, so being capable of this is more of an advantage than ever before.

Being a follower of any worldview is limiting and prevents gaining perspectives that might be superior, but ignored merely because it doesn't fit with the culture of the group. Being against a worldview as a whole is equally limiting as it might lead to ignoring perspectives that might actually be superior, accepting parts of it doesn't mean accepting all of it.

The manosphere is just a little box in the corner of my mind, a collection of what this group generally thinks about various things. It holds no special significance above any other knowledge I have collected, I pick out the parts that have proven to serve me and leave the rest.
OP this post is a masterful insight and quite frankly deserves it's own thread would love to see you expound on it
I think this is why I can't take the RP serious anymore for example when Rollo was saying this "The fastest way for a 20-year-old to become high value is to get a vasectomy" I laughed at that foolishness so glad he got called out on it
 
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