eldafar said:
Either you don't know when you should tap or your partners suck. Probably the latter, people rarely *want* to get injured.
That guy is pretty good, 1-1 in cage matches that I've seen. The guy that beat him was a golden gloves boxing champ. He is better than me, but I have submitted him on rare occasion. He got me this time by switching arms that he was trying to bar; I had the first arm bar blocked by grabbing my own wrist - then he just grabbed the other arm, a lesson learned. I've had the 'arm bar until screaming' experience two other times, both with purple belt instructors. Those guys did not suck. I might just be sensitive to pain from arm bars. When we work on pressure point moves that are supposed to cause pain, I tend to be one extreme or the other. Some chokes and leg bars I can sit through like they are nothing, don't even notice. But this week, my trainer showed us a pressure point on the back of the hand on which a 100 pound girl made me fall down in agony.
btw, here's that pressure point - place your hand out, palm down, fingers outstretched, like you are about to dribble a basketball. The pressure point is on the back of the hand between your index finger and thumb. Draw a line along the bones of the thumb and finger. Everything from where the lines cross, out to the web of your thumb is the pressure point. Press down very hard on that spot with your thumb, and the other guy should fall to his knees in pain.
I am probably just a little sensitive about arm bars, but it is a combination of both guys getting a little carried away. The guy who hurt me has hurt other people; he does not mean anything by it and feels bad afterward. These things happen in jiu-jitsu.