The turn against woman's rights has started

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/08/fatherhood.suit.ap/index.html

Men want 'say' in unplanned pregnancy
Activists seek right to decline financial responsibility for kids


NEW YORK (AP) -- Contending that women have more options than they do in the event of an unintended pregnancy, men's rights activists are mounting a long shot legal campaign aimed at giving them the chance to opt out of financial responsibility for raising a child.

The National Center for Men has prepared a lawsuit -- nicknamed Roe v. Wade for Men -- to be filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Michigan on behalf of a 25-year-old computer programmer ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend's daughter.

The suit addresses the issue of male reproductive rights, contending that lack of such rights violates the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause.

The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose.

"There's such a spectrum of choice that women have -- it's her body, her pregnancy and she has the ultimate right to make decisions," said Mel Feit, director of the men's center. "I'm trying to find a way for a man also to have some say over decisions that affect his life profoundly."

Feit's organization has been trying since the early 1990s to pursue such a lawsuit, and finally found a suitable plaintiff in Matt Dubay of Saginaw, Michigan.

Dubay says he has been ordered to pay $500 a month in child support for a girl born last year to his ex-girlfriend. He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that -- because of a physical condition -- she could not get pregnant.

Dubay is braced for the lawsuit to fail.

"What I expect to hear [from the court] is that the way things are is not really fair, but that's the way it is," he said in a telephone interview. "Just to create awareness would be enough, to at least get a debate started."

State courts have ruled in the past that any inequity experienced by men like Dubay is outweighed by society's interest in ensuring that children get financial support from two parents. Melanie Jacobs, a Michigan State University law professor, said the federal court might rule similarly in Dubay's case.

"The courts are trying to say it may not be so fair that this gentleman has to support a child he didn't want, but it's less fair to say society has to pay the support," she said.

Feit, however, says a fatherhood opt-out wouldn't necessarily impose higher costs on society or the mother. A woman who balked at abortion but felt she couldn't afford to raise a child could put the baby up for adoption, he said.
'This is so politically incorrect'

Jennifer Brown of the women's rights advocacy group Legal Momentum objected to the men's center comparing Dubay's lawsuit to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling establishing a woman's right to have an abortion.

"Roe is based on an extreme intrusion by the government -- literally to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want," Brown said. "There's nothing equivalent for men. They have the same ability as women to use contraception, to get sterilized."

Feit counters that the suit's reference to abortion rights is apt.

"Roe says a woman can choose to have intimacy and still have control over subsequent consequences," he said. "No one has ever asked a federal court if that means men should have some similar say."

"The problem is this is so politically incorrect," Feit added. "The public is still dealing with the pre-Roe ethic when it comes to men, that if a man fathers a child, he should accept responsibility."

Feit doesn't advocate an unlimited fatherhood opt-out; he proposes a brief period in which a man, after learning of an unintended pregnancy, could decline parental responsibilities if the relationship was one in which neither partner had desired a child.

"If the woman changes her mind and wants the child, she should be responsible," Feit said. "If she can't take care of the child, adoption is a good alternative."

The president of the National Organization for Women, Kim Gandy, acknowledged that disputes over unintended pregnancies can be complex and bitter.

"None of these are easy questions," said Gandy, a former prosecutor. "But most courts say it's not about what he did or didn't do or what she did or didn't do. It's about the rights of the child."
 

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Hopefully, we will all live to see the damage wrought upon society by man-hating and self-hating women undone. Unfortunately, the war for men's rights will be waged on two fronts. On the Left, we have the feminists, but on the Right, we have those religious extremists who oppose sex outside of marriage, as well as for any purpose other than procreation. Despite their potentially useful opposition to the rest of the feminist agenda, these people are just as obsessed with burdening men with wives and children as the feminists are.

P.S. I can't believe that guy was stupid enough to believe her bull about not being able to get pregnant. Aren't women who can't have kids usually desperate to keep their men from finding out because they think we'll leave them?

Once again, the lesson is to NEVER trust a woman.
 

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Its good to see that on some situations in can be stopped.

http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,1725427,00.html?gusrc=rss

A British woman today lost her legal battle to use frozen embryos fertilised with her former partner's sperm to have a baby.
The European court of human rights ruled against 35-year-old Natalie Evans, who was left infertile after being treated for ovarian cancer.

A panel of seven judges said British courts had not been in breach of the European convention on human rights by denying Ms Evans the right to use six frozen embryos created with her partner Howard Johnston before her treatment.

When the 35-year-old, from Wiltshire, split from Mr Johnston, he withdrew his consent for the embryos to be used.

Ms Evans said she was disappointed by the verdict, and pleaded with her Mr Johnston to reconsider his refusal to allow her to use the embryos.

She said she would challenge the decision by applying for a hearing in front of the grand chamber of the European court of human rights.

Mr Johnston expressed relief at the verdict, saying "common sense" had prevailed.

The high court and the court of appeal had already rejected Ms Evans's challenge against Mr Johnston's withdrawal of consent.

The courts said the 1980 Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act, governing IVF treatment, stipulated that consent from both the man and the woman was vital at every stage of the process.

In her appeal to the European court, Ms Evans said the British courts had breached the convention's outlawing of discrimination by treating her differently to a woman with intact ovaries who could conceive without assistance and produce sufficient eggs for repeated attempts at IVF.

The court expressed "great sympathy" for her, but said the application of British law could not be considered discriminatory. Its ruling said there had been no violation of the right to respect for private and family life enshrined in the convention.

It also accepted that Mr Johnston had acted in good faith in embarking on IVF treatment with Ms Evans, and had done so only on the basis that their relationship would continue.

Mr Johnston said he was relieved, telling Sky News: "It would be my child and I wouldn't have anything to do with it, but it would be out there and I would know that and that is something I can't countenance.

"It was something we embarked on to have a child, but that can't happen because we are no longer together, and that's where it really ends."

His solicitor, James Grigg, said it would not have been possible for Mr Johnston to receive assurances he would have no responsibility for any child that came from the frozen embryos.

"He would have legal, moral and financial responsibility of any child born," Mr Grigg said.

Ms Evans said she was "very disappointed", adding: "Howard may feel it is too late to change his mind, but it is not.

"I think he is wrong in what he is doing. He has the ability to go on and have children genetically, which I do not. This [the legal battle] is four years now, and I am not going to give up. Let's stop going through the courts and let me have what I want."

She said she felt the verdict gave Mr Johnston the power to decide whether she had children or not.

"He knew this was my last chance, and he knew what he was getting into when he did this with me," she said. "He chose to become a father the day we made the embryos."

Her solicitor, Muiris Lyons, said the fact that two of the seven judges had dissented over the issue of whether the British courts had contravened the right to respect for private and family life offered hope for another legal challenge.

The five-year rule governing the storage of the embryos means they must be destroyed in October. The court today ordered them to be preserved until a decision on whether the case would be heard in the grand chamber was reached.
 

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Wow DJDamage, that's one hell of an article!

Let's stop going through the courts and let me have what I want.
Poor little girl can't have what she wants. Waaaahh!
GET OVER IT.

She said she felt the verdict gave Mr Johnston the power to decide whether she had children or not.
No, it gave him the power to decide NOT to have children with her.

From the sound of how vengeful she is, I don't blame him.
 

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I saw this on the news, told this to two chick friends of mine about it, ... :nono:

Good to be back.
 

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Thank Jebus!

BTW, nice to see SS back up and running. I kinda miss the old colour scheme though.
 

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I wouldn't call this a turn AGAINST women's rights, but a turn FOR men's rights.

Nice article Desdinova.
 
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