The TRUTH about being a JERK

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I am so fed up of coming on this website and being told that the key to success with women is to be a jerk and a challenge to them. While these may be surface causes, the root is totally different. You do not sow the jerk attitude and reap women - this is illogical and (as of recent experience has shown me) a bad practice.

Being a jerk does not mean insulting women, it does not mean treating them badly. Beware the "Neg-Hit" that they speak of on this board, it can backfire BIGTIME on you and totally turn a girl off. I told one girl I didnt like her hair and another I couldn't see her because she was too short (as jokes!) and now they literally HATE me! It cant seem like you are stuck-up and arrogant - women do not like being with guys who think they are better than them (of course this does not mean you cant be better than her, just be humble). This is _especially_ true if you are a cute guy and they are somewhat intimidated by you.

What is being a jerk, or a challenge? First of all, throw these words totally out the window!

Right now we will go back to the basics of human nature -

1. You cannot have public victory without personal victory!

What does this mean? If you do not put yourself first, you exercise routine, your job, your finances - your GOALS in LIFE, if you put somebody else above you then you will never succeed, and the only reason you may have in the past is because there was nobody in your life to put before yourself. Think about it, are you more attracted to a woman that pours all of her attention onto you, but has a nasty body, a crappy job and never dresses sexy? Or are you attracted to the sexiest girl in the room, the one who exercises and diets religously? The '10' who is intellegent, has a respectable job, and whos character flaws are minute? You cannot ger respect from others unless you respect yourself first!

An example? I have a friend whos 35, stacked like a brick-****house, drives a mustang cobra, has a well-paying law enforcement job and is really fun to be around. What does he do on his first date? He takes a girl to McDonalds and buys her a childrens happy meal and himself a huge meal - no sh*t, and they just LOVE it! They are literally SOO excited, I didn't believe him until until I heard the girls telling me about it with gigantic smiles across their face. What happened next? He didn't need to call them, they would call him!

2. We cannot control other people, we can only control ourselves. Create a Win-Win relationship.

When you try to take advantage of a woman by manipulating her she can tell - do you remember those sleezy salesmen that tried to sell you something you didnt want or need just to fill their pockets? This is what you are being!

If you yourself are a pimp, then you don't need to try. Women will instinctively come to you and you dont need to do hardly anything. Everyone comes on this website trying to get their game down in persueding women to fxck them with all these fancy techniques (NLP, SS, etc.) when all you really need to do is focus on yourself and put yourself in the right environment. In this situation, you don't try, you do!

The basis of this post is that you cannot take care of anybody else unless you first take care of yourself. You must sharpen the saw in which you are trying to slice through these women with, and when you do this you will find it easier than you ever imagined.

Buzz

Recommended Reading on this Subject: The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen R. Covey
 

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You catch more flies with honey.

I agree about the jerk thing.

Alot of normal women have their jerk guard up just like all the guys have their *****/golddigger/professional dater/ whatever guard up.

In my opinion there a flase belief on this site that being a jerk gets womens jucies running so much that they lose all logic and rational thought and jump on the jerks bone becuase they are so taken by his manness.

This is totally wrong. If a girl was a ***** and she was hot would any DJ want her? No, except maybe for sex but not a relationship.
 

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neg hits should be used like bullets... Just one or two here and there are more than enough.

A good neg hit, isn't being negetive, but just letting them know you are not a pushover and they are not perfect.

Always treat people like you would want to be treated. You dont' want a girl coming up to you talking bad about you. If she did, you would think she is a *****, you wouldn't, well I wouldn't want to **** her..

But I do respect a woman that If I make an off point remark, can kindly and quick wittingly put me in my place.
 
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You made a lot of valid points. Let me add:

The C&F works for those who have the charisma for it. If your one of those nerdy types I wouldn't try it. You will come accross the wrong way.

When I use it I have no problem, but I do have a few nerdy type of friends try to crack jokes on women it comes off way off the beat.

But I think the reason for C&F is to get people to take women off their pedistals. Those pedistals being in the minds of the men who put them up their.

C&F is not only for women but has it role in men's minds also. When you feel so comfortable withyourself that you can crack jokes on a hot babe then your self confidence will reach an all time high.

Which is the real purpose of C&F. It is just a tool to help you develop your self confidence.

You mentioned a true fact in that if your already pimp then they will come to you. But you get pimped by developing the ultimate confidence in yourself.

There are more than just one road to this development.
 

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About being a jerk.

The idea of getting the AFC to act like a jerk at first is to break him of his old habits. Naturally the jerk will get more women than the AFC, but not much more. The purpose of cultivating the jerk is to destroy AFC tendancies. After knowing both extremes you can make an educated adjustment in your game and start acting like a DJ.

-Grey Fox
 

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I agree with the others.

Only one thing to add... The neg hits are meant for hot chicks. The ones that think they are all that. Do not neg-hit a girl on abvious things like she is too short. She might already feel very conscious about that and she must have heard it a thousand times before.

C&F should come off naturally. Don't just pull it to get girls, use it anywhere and be sure you are C& FUNNY instead of just ****y.
Telling a girl: You're too short is just ****y... not funny.
 

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Here's my take on this bit right here...

Hi Buzz,

You mentioned that being a challenge and being a jerk makes you fail with women. My viewpoint about his statement is kind of unique...

This board misinterprets the term "challenge" altogether - they tend to think that being a "challenge" is giving neg-hits, being a jerk, acting "alpha", or trying to "intimidate" women. Women do not like to be intimidated and you should do everything that you possibly can NOT to make them feel intimidated.

No, being a challenge is giving a woman what she WANTS. Being a challenge is the exact same thing that women do EVERYDAY that makes men fall for them. Being a challenge is simply not making it so easy for them to have your attention all the time. It is basic human nature that we take things for granted until we suddenly LOSE THEM, and once we get them back....we see them in much higher regard....this has absolutely nothing to do with being "alpha", or even ****y and funny (that's really just a form of flirting, which doesn't really have anything to do with Challenge).

Have you ever had a one night stand? Ever notice that the girl you had the one night stand with, no matter how hot she may be, you just don't necessarily see her as relationship material, or even as girlfriend material? The reason why this is, is because she was TOO EASY. You took her for granted and you didn't even know it.

Something else...

Frustration = addiction.

Being a challenge is allowing the woman to see what it is like to NOT have your attention all the time. If you pour your attention on her ALL the time, she will FORGET what it was like to NOT have your attention (this is human nature), and will treat you as if you are SUPPOSED to show her attention, instead of being more thankful of it.

We do not realize what we truly had until it is TAKEN AWAY afrom us for a little while, and then given back.

You do NOT want to be a jerk to women. Trying to intimidate them and all that stuff DOES NOT WORK. You want the woman to enjoy herself around you, but you still want to be a challenge.

Remember....everything gets old and too easy to attain. Challenge is nothing without a woman enjoying your company first.
 

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Only one thing to add... The neg hits are meant for hot chicks. The ones that think they are all that.
Not all hot women think they are all that. There are UGLY women who think they are all that, as well.

Neg hits are useless....even on the stuck up chicks. If you run into a stuck up chick, find another woman who is NOT stuck up.

Because even if your neg-hit actually works and makes the woman no longer think and treat you like she is better than you, she will STILL treat EVERYBODY ELSE like she is better than THEM...

Sooner than you think, you'll start seeing her very rudely rejecting any guys who try to meet her, using her "big bad jealous boyfriend" (you) as her b!tch sheild.

Now a lot of these knuckleheads would dream of being the "big bad boyfriend" that a hot, snobby girl would use to shoot down any guys that approached her, but the thought of your own girlfriend ruining a poor guy's day because of YOU, the boyfriend she carries around as her b!tch sheild, will eventually make you feel guilty and embarrassed. Trust me, I've been there.

You want to date a girl because of who she is, not just because she'll look good on your arm. Why would you want to date a snotty woman anyway? I wouldn't even bother.
 

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Originally posted by Buzz
Being a jerk does not mean insulting women, it does not mean treating them badly. Beware the "Neg-Hit" that they speak of on this board, it can backfire BIGTIME on you and totally turn a girl off. I told one girl I didnt like her hair and another I couldn't see her because she was too short (as jokes!) and now they literally HATE me! It cant seem like you are stuck-up and arrogant - women do not like being with guys who think they are better than them (of course this does not mean you cant be better than her, just be humble). This is _especially_ true if you are a cute guy and they are somewhat intimidated by you.

Giving neg hits is an art. It's not like what you read about in these self help articles that advise you to say things about their appearance, etc...I wouldn't go anywhere near saying anything like that. That's not to say neg hitting doesn't have value, it does, but it's about knowing when the right time is to say the right thing based on who you're talking to and what you're talking about.
 

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I have to disagree with some of this. Neg hits DO work, I use them with my current GF and she grins away when I do it... but it has to be FUNNY!

Just because some people don't have the timing, humor, whatever to use them right, doesn't mean you should reject them. Some people can't tell a joke to save their lives, the same joke Seinfeld would get roaring laughter from, would cause silence if told by a person with no sense of timing or delivery

Please do not come on this site and make blanket negative statements about challenge or even being a jerk. The stuff taught here works. I am living proof. I am worried some AFC may seize on your comments as an excuse to remain AFC.

Also I do not understand the issue with being the big bad boyfriend who scares the AFCs away from his HB girlfriend. I don't see a thing wrong with that. If you ask me, that poster was giving some serious AFC advice. "Guilty and embarrassed" = AFC, not DJ!!!

No offense and I do not want a flame war but please post AFC advice elsewhere.

Dietzcoi
 

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i gave a neg hit the other day that seemed perfect in my mind but aloud the girl didnt like it to much,

"your not to hott, id give u maybe a 7"
but at the end of the the night i saved it and said i was just teasing and that she was hot, triple t,s capilizled and she she loved it and i got a number so.

i think its good to neg hit and then come back later w/ a compliment about the neg hit.
 

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Look, neg-hits aren't going to get you ANYWHERE without knowing how to make women feel attraction for you. Neg-hits don't create attraction...I don't give a crap how funny they are. If a girl ain't feeling you she's just NOT feeling you....no matter how good you may be at neg-hitting.

And to dietzcoi:

Also I do not understand the issue with being the big bad boyfriend who scares the AFCs away from his HB girlfriend.
You mis-read...

I didn't say "HB girlfriend", I said SNOTTY girlfriend. For some reason, too many people on this board tend to equate a hot woman with being snooty and snotty. If all hot women were snobs with b!tch sheilds, why the hell are you guys trying to date them, then? ("Because THEIR HOT", you say.") Well if that's the case you just sound like some shallow dumba$$ who hasn't touched a girl since pre-school.

What I meant by this was, if a snotty woman were to use ME as her weapon in rejecting every nice guy who approached her, I would honestly feel GUILTY and EMBARRASSED to be with such a person. I don't know about you, but I'm looking for a woman who is actually RESPECTABLE and NICE....not just some piece of meat who ain't about nothing anyways. I know a lot of you would prefer that type, but then again....you'd screw any decent looking girl that said "hi" to you, as well.

We men need to stick together these days....This is why women rule the world because men can't stick together and help each other out. If I see a nice guy get shot down rudely by ANY woman that I was with, no matter how good-looking or ugly she might be, I will NOT tolerate it, because I know how it feels to get shot down like that, and it doesn't feel good. Just because she's cute doesn't at all mean she can get away with snotty behavior. And I would feel embarrassed to be seen with somebody that is so classless and stuck up. Remember, people judge you based off the company that you keep, and the last impression that I want people to get of me is that I prefer snotty trophy-biatches.

The problem with some of you people on this board is that you come over here, read a bunch of bullshyt, finally actually grow some balls and proclaim yourself as "DJ", and start getting all snotty just like them biatches that you say you should "neg hit". Then what's even worse....instead of HELPING OUT others who are unskilled in the dating world, you throw your weight around and step on them, talk shyt to them, call them names like Average Frusterated Chump, like your some big time mack-daddy now, yet you ain't getting no damn play yourself. See, once you have your trophy girl - SCREW everbody else.

Some of y'all are just a bunch of selfish oppurtunists who just look at women as potential d!ck-wetners anywayz.

But i'm not like some of y'all.....I actually have integrity, class, and never have one-night stands, nor do I cream my pants when a good looking girl ACTUALLY PAYS ATTENTION TO ME, nor do I ask dumbass questions like, "how can I neg hit this girl on the initial approach so that she'll want to have rough sex with me right then?"......but oh wait....I guess that makes me an AFC, right? Afterall, it's just apalling that the most important aspect to me about a woman doesn't happen to be her bra size. Yeah.

...I told y'all I was mean this time....being nice just didn't do the trick.
 

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Still in denial eh? Don't worry... after a while the acceptance phase comes in. S'all good!

Btw, I'm pretty sure most guys want a nice girl for relationship material and some sexy ***** for pootang. Neg-hitting DOES create attraction indirectly because you're working with their confidence issues and once their confidence is lower you look better in their eyes. It's just the way it works. I don't neg-hit unless the girl is disrespecting me. If she disrespects me I let her know what she's doing is not appreciated and if she continues she'll get the boot. Simple and effective!
 

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Neg-hits shouldnt be rude or insulting. You know how you neghit your friends (ie. a friend says "my sister's new bf is alright", then you say "you would know!")? Well do the same with girls.

Telling a girl she is a crack wh*re who sucks her dad off isn't a neghit, its an insult.
 

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Originally posted by backbreaker
neg hits should be used like bullets... Just one or two here and there are more than enough.

A good neg hit, isn't being negetive, but just letting them know you are not a pushover and they are not perfect.

Always treat people like you would want to be treated. You dont' want a girl coming up to you talking bad about you. If she did, you would think she is a *****, you wouldn't, well I wouldn't want to **** her..

But I do respect a woman that If I make an off point remark, can kindly and quick wittingly put me in my place.
Exactly....This guy buzz has no idea how to be a jerk in the first place. Being a jerk does not mean insulting people. Thats a whole different ballpark.
 

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Originally posted by milkncereal2
i gave a neg hit the other day that seemed perfect in my mind but aloud the girl didnt like it to much.
maybe it was your delivery.

Originally posted by milkncereal2
"your not to hott, id give u maybe a 7"
myt be my sense of humor but arent negs supposed to be combined with a c&f routine? maybe you could do something better.

i just came up with this. what do you think of

me:hey, i just realized something..
girl: what?
me: you're hot enough to be my granny!

i could use some opinions on that one.

Originally posted by milkncereal2
i think its good to neg hit and then come back later w/ a compliment about the neg hit.
if she doenst react well to it, i usually follow up with the trusted, 'i was just teasing. its funny you didnt get it. :)

i dont usually give out a compliment on the topic i negged her as if i were apologizing. but maybe if i negged her about her height, id make up by complimenting her on something else.
 

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Originally posted by Craig Reeves
Sooner than you think, you'll start seeing her very rudely rejecting any guys who try to meet her, using her "big bad jealous boyfriend" (you) as her b!tch sheild.

Now a lot of these knuckleheads would dream of being the "big bad boyfriend" that a hot, snobby girl would use to shoot down any guys that approached her, but the thought of your own girlfriend ruining a poor guy's day because of YOU, the boyfriend she carries around as her b!tch sheild, will eventually make you feel guilty and embarrassed. Trust me, I've been there.
i havent really thought about this but.. now that i have, id care less. that guy made a move on my girl. whether or not he knows that she's taken wouldn't matter since if they got the guts to move on my girl, they should be prepared for whatever happens and accept it.

may be, but then she's also proud of you as her guy. you're taking their side too seriously. and unnecessarily. you at least appreciate that she is actually proud to have you and she's not ashamed to show you off.

and why bother? women are women. if they think they're prettier[though not necessarily factual], MOST of them would still treat their "lower" counterparts the same.
 

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It is true in some ways that men should stick together, but I stand by my comments. AFCs trying to hit on a girl I am with deserve whatever they get to drive them off. Craig Reeves, I admire your humanitarian approach to people, and I understand your disdain for biatches, but if you ARE the boyfriend, then the girl SHOULD use you and anything else she can to drive off the AFCs. I do not understand why that would make anybody guilty and embarrassed.

Now, whether you should even date a snotty biatch is another story.....

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