The relationship of alcohol and game

[Chickfight]

So I'm wondering what kind of effect alcohol has on your game.

In my opinion it helps it as long as you're not a sloppy drunk.
I have noticed this from my own experience. I was going to college in Denmark before this and I became a borderline alcoholic. At one point I was drunk 5 nights in a row and they all became a blur. I drank beer when I woke up to take the edge off the hangovers.This resulted in me hooking up with chicks constantly and I don't even remember how. I ended up with a hot Romanian girlfriend without even taking her out at all, just from being drunk all the time. Eventually I was kicked out of school for not attending and we had an epic farewell party with a 3 to 1 female to male ratio. We had about 13 bottles of 40% spirits for about 20 people and I drank two of those by myself. ****ed my girlfriend and then another beautiful girl after she left, then got out of bed and continued drinking with the bros.
Good times.

I tend to also have good game when I'm tipsy. When I'm sober, I can manage, but I dont have the same feeling of boundless energy and I get more stressed. The last girl I was with, the only time I was tipsy was when I first met her, but when I took her out for the whole day on a date, I did well, but the stress caused me to throw up after the date ended (there was added stress cause I refrained from smoking as well)

Sometimes I even have a beer before I call a girl so I flow and vibe better.

What's your guys take on this? What's your personal experience with this?

PS. I'm fine now, I only drink occasionally

 

[john_trenor]

Alcohol get’s rid of a person’s inhabitations. With that said I can understand why after having a drink previous to engaging women can be a helpful. Like you said limits are important because you don't want to get sloppy. The reason why you’re having better success with a conversation while drinking is because you're relaxed and open to having fun.

When a woman first meets you, she really doesn’t care how you look, how much money you make, or what your world view is. She doesn’t even care if you want to take her home that night!

All a woman cares about at this point is whether or not she can have fun with you. Chances are that you’re meeting her at a bar, dance club or party, right? Well, believe it or not, she’s there to have fun. She’s already in a social mood and the last thing she wants is some dude taking her out of that mood.

 

[Weezy]

So I'm wondering what kind of effect alcohol has on your game.

In my opinion it helps it as long as you're not a sloppy drunk.
I have noticed this from my own experience. I was going to college in Denmark before this and I became a borderline alcoholic. At one point I was drunk 5 nights in a row and they all became a blur. I drank beer when I woke up to take the edge off the hangovers.This resulted in me hooking up with chicks constantly and I don't even remember how. I ended up with a hot Romanian girlfriend without even taking her out at all, just from being drunk all the time. Eventually I was kicked out of school for not attending and we had an epic farewell party with a 3 to 1 female to male ratio. We had about 13 bottles of 40% spirits for about 20 people and I drank two of those by myself. ****ed my girlfriend and then another beautiful girl after she left, then got out of bed and continued drinking with the bros.
Good times.

I tend to also have good game when I'm tipsy. When I'm sober, I can manage, but I dont have the same feeling of boundless energy and I get more stressed. The last girl I was with, the only time I was tipsy was when I first met her, but when I took her out for the whole day on a date, I did well, but the stress it caused me made me throw up after the date ended (there was added stress cause I refrained from smoking as well)

Sometimes I even have a beer before I call a girl so I flow and vibe better.

What's your guys take on this? What's your personal experience with this?

PS. I'm fine now, I only drink occasionally

Dude, I can relate with this loud and clear.

The DJ Bible doesn't advice drinking and said it makes you look weak, but I've pulled some serious tail being all lit up cause I don't give a **** what the outcome of the night is and I don't over-think anything.

I always try to have a few beers during a date as well as it makes **** just flow.

The only issue with booze is that there is a fine line I've noticed when I really dig a chick and you've had a couple too many, it's harder to filter what comes out of your mouth and you tend to telegraph more interests through body language then you normally would.

 

[PapiChulo]

Why should you need alcohol anyway? If you are uninhibited, bold and know what you are doing there is no need for it.

If you feel like you are better with it, then you have to work on something for sure.

I had people ask me if I were drunk or "high" because of my attitude and energy. On the other hand, alcohol is a downer.

The reason you scored more tail might be because the women were also tipsy with b!tch-shields down, or because of the beer-goggles...



I also find it advantageous if your mind isn't clouded, meaning that you are more responsive to the drunk people once they open up.

 

[Bratt2230]

So are you danish or do you speak danish ??

- Alcohol DID help me.. now i am VERY comfatable at bars and clubs, but i think that in DAYGAME, a bit of alcohol the first 2-5 times would help me remove the shyness, and then afatwerwards, i guess i would manage without, just like with the night game

 

[Chickfight]

Let me elaborate. I'm not advocating depending on alcohol, but I can't deny every time I've truly been THE man, I was drunk. However, I've been drunk so many times, it feels like something has been built in that prevents me from doing stupid sh!t like coming on too strong or picking fights. I've even learned to keep my balance and keep the completely wasted look off my face. Most people don't even know I'm drunk.
The big change I think I get from it is that I actually enjoy the process of becoming "the man" when I'm drunk. I still know how to do it when I'm sober, but as I said, it's stressful. People will look at me and think I'm relaxed and cool, but inside I'm stressed so I'm much more likely to abort becoming "the man" in the room. When I'm drunk I completely follow my emotions.

The ideal situation would of course be for me to elevate my inner game to the point where alcohol is no longer useful, but I honestly admit I'm not quite there yet. All of my greatest hits so far have involved alcohol. I've been at a small house party with 6 guys and 2 really hot girls. Guess where I ended up, on the couch with my arm around one of them and the other one holding my other arm and resting her head on my shoulder (they came to me). Every other guy girlless. I actually go to the bathroom, throw up, rinse my mouth, come back in the room and resume my position with no one the wiser. So saying alcohol won't help some people's game is enormous bullsh!t.

EDIT: No, I'm not Danish I was at some program there for a while which was taught in English. Every single Danish person I met spoke English really well though.

EDIT: Oh yeah and PapiChulo, people asking you if you're drunk or high is not exactly a good thing

 

[PapiChulo]

EDIT: Oh yeah and PapiChulo, people asking you if you're drunk or high is not exactly a good thing

Actually not, I am known for being "crazy", thus fun. Thats what happens when you are comfortable with yourself and let your personality shine. It's also "infectious" for other people.Thats at parties for the most part.

I am naturally high, hence dont need cocaine or what not.

See, you still dont get it, that's why you rely on other means to dope yourself into performing better. Also keep in mind, that people like me who are pretty much sober can tell real quick weather it's real you or a drunken act.

P.S. In Scandinavian countries where women are already as sexually aggressive as they are, actually eager to get drunk (stumbling drunk), you only have show up there to get laid.

 

[downtherabbithole]

Alcohol sucks, if you're planning on drinking have like 2/3 beer maximum so you can keep control of yourself. There are too many people out there that are looking for trouble so it's better to stay sober.

Too much alcohol is not good for your erection or your up-and-down moves anyway. It also causes you to have sex with women that you wouldn't do when you're sober and you might have regrets later.

just my 2 cents

 

[Chickfight]

Actually not, I am known for being "crazy", thus fun. Thats what happens when you are comfortable with yourself and let your personality shine. It's also "infectious" for other people.Thats at parties for the most part.

I am naturally high, hence dont need cocaine or what not.

See, you still dont get it, that's why you rely on other means to dope yourself into performing better. Also keep in mind, that people like me who are pretty much sober can tell real quick weather it's real you or a drunken act.

P.S. In Scandinavian countries where women are already as sexually aggressive as they are, actually eager to get drunk (stumbling drunk), you only have show up there to get laid.

Are you also known for being judgmental and ignorant?
I get it, but I'm not in denial of the fact that I'm not perfect and nobody is, so that's why I keep working on myself. This isn't about whether it's good or bad, healthy or unhealthy. What I'm pointing out is, it improves your ability to be who you be who you want to be in situations where you might be too stressed and bogged down to do so otherwise. A lot of people will agree with me that alcohol brings out your true personality on the inside. There is no "drunk act" unless you're acting drunk when you're sober (which sounds more like what you do). There have been many times when I complain about a hangover that people (including non drinkers) say something like "Really? You didn't even seem that drunk" to, when in reality I was so drunk I had gaps in my memory. I get more of a "wet blanket" vibe from you instead of a "infectiously crazy fun" one to be honest.

OF COURSE it's better to be able to do this while sober. There are people who do this naturally or have learned to. I myself am working towards it. I know people like this and they do NOT act like you. Sorry, but you're not naturally high, you're naturally tripping.

The second story with the two girls was not in Denmark and I can throw out many other examples outside Denmark. The only reason I used it as an example is because that was when I was drunk pretty much all the time.

BTW, I have a feeling you're like the guy yakov in this keys to the vip ep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXllvqc6ZD8

Cheers, no hate.

 

[PapiChulo]

if you are coming with a thread like that, you are bound to get some flack.

Judgmental - no, you know why? Because I have not criticized anything outside alcohol and women in the social setting, haven't I? I have my own vices as well.

If I were ignorant I would just tell you to do what you are already doing. A bit of skepticism here and there will not hurt.


Post your age.

 

[Chickfight]

Hmm,
"See, you still dont get it, that's why you rely on other means to dope yourself into performing better". => I never said I relied on it.
"I am naturally high, hence dont need cocaine or what not." => Never said anything about using cocaine

The ignorant thing was about your generalization of Scandinavian people. Nobody just showed up and got laid. There are a lot of snobby women there aswell AND just as many afc guys.

Other than that, I welcome any reasoned arguments and responses. This is a discussion board after all.

 

[PapiChulo]

1. You are considering it a crutch.

2. That referred to me.

3. I know them well. he he It's a different cultural setting - cant ignore that, so there is no point of bringing it up. It's like me comparing game run in Japan and in Canada.


You get a response that you don't like and start misinterpreting it. I am on the side of being natural.

Also the stuff about alcohol bringing out your true personality is not completely correct. There is such a thing as a fake extrovert.

 

[Darth]

Just have one or two drinks and that's it.

I had dinner with a big group a couple nights ago. I drank very slowly. This guy who thought he was really hot stuff drank a lot really fast. It just made him look stupid and I was the one in control, who could think on his feet.
Throughout dinner, he kept saying things really loud that only he thought were funny. IT was embarrassing.

He actually wound up admitting to me, "I need alcohol in social situations, man. It helps me stay in the present. Cause I naturally think about the future, you know?'

Come on, you don't want to be that guy.

 

[Chickfight]

1. You are considering it a crutch.

2. That referred to me.

3. I know them well. he he It's a different cultural setting - cant ignore that, so there is no point of bringing it up. It's like me comparing game run in Japan and in Canada.


You get a response that you don't like and start misinterpreting it. I am on the side of being natural.

Also the stuff about alcohol bringing out your true personality is not completely correct. There is such a thing as a fake extrovert.

Alright, I know it's sounds like I'm glorifying getting drunk all the time. That's not my goal. It was not a good period in my life. I got carried away by having fun. The drinking was not about getting women, it was about escaping other issues (yes believe it or not, people has problems outside of getting women) After leaving Denmark, I actively sought to reduce my alcohol intake/reliance. What I'm discussing is that sometimes drinking does improve success with women.

Just have one or two drinks and that's it.

I had dinner with a big group a couple nights ago. I drank very slowly. This guy who thought he was really hot stuff drank a lot really fast. It just made him look stupid and I was the one in control, who could think on his feet.
Throughout dinner, he kept saying things really loud that only he thought were funny. IT was embarrassing.

He actually wound up admitting to me, "I need alcohol in social situations, man. It helps me stay in the present. Cause I naturally think about the future, you know?'

Come on, you don't want to be that guy.

Let me alter my statement a bit: Alcohol lowers your level of giving a fvck, so you EITHER act like who you really are OR how you want to be.

Someone who acts nice but is an assh0le on the inside will act like an ******* when he's drunk. Aggressive people will act more aggressive. Attention wh0res will seek even more attention. They may hide it when they're sober because people react negatively, but when they're drunk they don't give a single fvck.

Someone who has studied attraction and has accepted it's principles into his reality, will act accordingly when he's drunk except with more bravado. He cares less if the things he says are offensive, though they are still inline with the DJ mentality.

Your friend had accepted into his reality that acting in that way he was is how "cool" people act. So when he was drunk, he had the balls to do it. He was mistaken that it would come across well. One way to test what I'm saying is to go out and get wasted and tell me how YOU acted, since you have actually learned about attraction. I'm being serious, I would love to know for the sake of experiment.

Personally, I won't stop drinking when I go out to party, because I know for me it makes the process more fun, less stressful and I love be able to not think sometimes. I no longer drink excessively to the point of not remembering things, but I enjoy the buzz, the increased companionship and how it improves my improvisational skills. One thing you learn from having been drunk many times is your limits. Will I keep working to improve myself and my inner game? Yes.

 

[Falcon25]

ALCOHOL EQUAL SEX, DINNER EQUALS SLEEP. Remember that next time you choose to take her to dinner, rather than a ****tail.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Martinis are like titties. One's not enough, but three is too many.