The Pendulum Has Swung Too Far the Other Way Regarding "Looks"

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I've got a date tomorrow with an HB8. Myself, I'm a 6 at best. Good chance she'll flake. What really gets me though is I checked out a couple of her Facebook updates - she'll get 95 likes on a simple, non-descript picture of her wearing a black t-shirt with nothing interesting in the background. I don't even have 95 Facebook friends. I could stand in front of the Taj Mahal or the Great Wall of China and I would struggle to get 10 likes. Anyway, just goes to show that with hot women you can't put them on a pedestal or you'll just be like everyone else. You really have to play it cool to stand out.
 

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Professor Booty said:
I've got a date tomorrow with an HB8. Myself, I'm a 6 at best. Good chance she'll flake. What really gets me though is I checked out a couple of her Facebook updates - she'll get 95 likes on a simple, non-descript picture of her wearing a black t-shirt with nothing interesting in the background. I don't even have 95 Facebook friends. I could stand in front of the Taj Mahal or the Great Wall of China and I would struggle to get 10 likes. Anyway, just goes to show that with hot women you can't put them on a pedestal or you'll just be like everyone else. You really have to play it cool to stand out.
You'd think that, but it's not true. Pictures of me standing in front of great sights like Monument Valley do get a lot of likes. And it's just me. They also show that you want to go places and that's important. Most importantly though: it means you actually went there and had fun.

Now when I have pretty much the same picture with my girlfriend on it as well I get 50 likes. So yeah, hot girls do get more likes on fb. And yes, likes are important to girls.
 

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Burroughs said:
The easy solution is widespread, clean, health supervised legalized prostitution.

Men as a whole in the west must grasp this.

travel to amsterdam or spain...you will see nerdy, divorced, pot belied, 50+, short dudes get horny? They just take a trip to the local 20 year working girl...a lot of them have smoking bodies due to competition...a hundred euros and they're smiling...you pick out your services like a restaurant....this would destroy woman's power overnight.

thats all men want 99% of the time to bust a nut...we ain't trying to watch 'the notebook' and pick out curtain patterns sh!!!t :crackup:

LOL.

I live near Amsterdam and you're considered a loser if you go a prostitute. Pretty much no girl will want you if she finds out you used to need prostitutes.

So no, hardly game changing. It just means you pay.
 

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Height means a lot less in attraction than guys think. I've know plenty of guys that are tall, over 6'1 and never attract girls. Not very many girls are over 5'4 or 5'7 with heels. As long as you are taller than the girl then it's usually not a show stopper.
I'm 6'1 and taller than about 90% of the guys in any venue but it doesn't count for anything. Attraction is determined primarily by your face.

I'm still waiting for anyone to show me verifiable proof of unattractive guys with attractive girls. Link me to a facebook or something of a mismatched couple. Everyone has pictures online so the proof would be easy to find if it were the case. Seeing in a dark, loud bar a guy who you think isn't good looking talking to a girl you think is too good looking for him, doesn't mean much.
 

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Stagger Lee said:
As far as prostitutes, I find it kind of amazing that a hot young girl will have sex with just about any old, ugly, nasty guy for about $100.
No, it's about $1000 for an old, ugly guy. $500 for an average guy. $300 for a good looking guy. $100 for a table dance or tip.

AlexDP said:
I live near Amsterdam and you're considered a loser if you go a prostitute. Pretty much no girl will want you if she finds out you used to need prostitutes.
Says the girl.
 

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AlexDP said:
LOL.

I live near Amsterdam and you're considered a loser if you go a prostitute. Pretty much no girl will want you if she finds out you used to need prostitutes.

So no, hardly game changing. It just means you pay.
Interesting. Do you find that the availability of prostitutes makes regular girls easier to score? In other words, is it any easier to pull a regular ONS with a girl near Amsterdam given that a guy could easily pay for it (even if its looked down upon)?

Because I think that's the argument the guys here are making, but it assumes that legal prostitution is everywhere, not just one area.
 

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bigneil said:
No, it's about $1000 for an old, ugly guy. $500 for an average guy. $300 for a good looking guy. $100 for a table dance or tip.


Says the girl.
Yep. Plus a lot of Vegas hookers quote low or don't quote at all until she goes upstairs with the guy. Then suddenly the $200 she said at the bar isn't for full service. It's suddenly for a private dance. She demands $1000 plus to F you.

A lot of guys get scammed that way.
 

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AlexDP said:
LOL.

I live near Amsterdam and you're considered a loser if you go a prostitute. Pretty much no girl will want you if she finds out you used to need prostitutes.

So no, hardly game changing. It just means you pay.

:crackup: You're obviously a clueless faggot :crackup: talking about 'no girl will want you if she finds out...' that is some faggot talk right there...

Men never rationalize or negotiate your life based on what women want...do whatever the fvck you want 24 fvcking 7..

@mike32 as long as western men remain pansified sissies regarding their own desire to fvck biyaches left and right like tiger woods...nothing will change...widespread prostitution SHOULD PROVIDE A GATEWAY for men to finally say to women NO MORE NEGOTIATING FVCKING..if I want to get my d!ck wet I'm going to do it...with MY GIRL right now...or with a professional an hour later...

DON'T LET feminized fatalism sway you from the desire to fvck random puzzy...that is what we as men want and women have shamed us into thinking this is 'bad' so that we fall into their control meme.
 

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
The importance of height varies wildly with the individual girl.There are 9s I've hooked up with yet 5's who wouldn't take a second look at me.
True, the importance of height varies with the girl but at least 95% of the female population will not hook up with a guy no matter what at any given time. It doesn't necessarily mean height was the reason.


On online dating jt is absolutely prohibitive. Regarding your strawman at the end, I've repeatedly said I KNOW these people and they are my friends. No I will not give their pictures away on the internet lol.
How hard is it to claim you're 2 inches taller online, which is what about all guys under 6' foot do? There's no strawman asking for evidence, people have publically available facebook and other social networking sites with their pics. They're not hiding their pictures. There's no good reason anyone claiming unattractive guys get attractive girls couldn't provide proof, but they rarely if ever even attempt to.

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No, it's about $1000 for an old, ugly guy. $500 for an average guy. $300 for a good looking guy. $100 for a table dance or tip.
I don't know what escorts really cost. All I know is the vast majority of decent looking escorts advertise $200/hr for the full experience on review sites and the guys reviewing them never mention having to cough up more money. that would get them a negative review I would think. I assumed with some many escorts available in Vegas it would not cost more. As far as I can tell old ugly guys are having sex with young, attractive escorts for about $150-200. Whether it's $200, $500 or $1000, a guy appraoching a girl has little value. Although, I'm sure many escorts will scam average to ugly guys who don't know how to deal. But that's not to say that old ugly guys aren't getting sex with attractive escorts for under $200.

My view on prostitution is if it was legal/affordable and more guys jsut used prostitues, then these men wouldn;t be out inflating the value of regular women as much. Most guys only serve to validate and inflate the egos of females, get nothing sexual in return and just make it harder for every other guy.
 

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There are a lot of guys settling out there when they shouldn't settle. Legalized prostitution or not, you'll always have lots of guys who will date down because they are afraid that they'll never get laid for free otherwise. It's not that meaningful, relevant or important. What is relevant is that you take a good stock of yourself and ask yourself seriously what are you capable of. Can you date a woman that you're genuinely attracted to? Is that possible? If it is, what's holding you back? What's limiting you? Do you have unrealistic expectations? Or are you just not trying hard enough? Looks, we know, will always be a factor. What else can you bring to the table? The basic principle of this site is that you're willing to look at your situation objectively and do whatever needs to be done to make it better. I'm not seeing that line of thinking in some of these rants.
 

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You guys gotta get to Tijuana. Bar hookers are $50 for half an hour, $20 for the room, $3 for the key, $5 for towels. There's a difference between bar girls, hookers who work in bars, and streetwalkers. Tip the bouncer in the hall anywhere from $20 to $50, and you can have the girl for extra time (generally taken to mean up to an hour). Great selection at Hong Kong, but some favor the old standby Adelita's. Circle the block to pick a streetwalker. They start at $20 for a quickie and $10 for an alley BJ. Of course, it makes sense to get a regular hotel room beforehand, so you can negotiate for time with the girl herself instead of greasing palms. Quality is all over the place, from very young, to mothers with amazing t1ts, to dogs. However, you won't enjoy the women if you are put off by the body shape of Mexicans. The only bad part is that awful 2-hour wait at US Customs. Do not lose your passport or passport card or you'll get fvcked with by the US border guards for hours. There are several inexpensive parking lots with bathrooms near the border if you don't want to take the trolley. There's a huge taxi stand as you enter Mexico; it's $5 to the clubs. Just get to the giant arch on Revolution, then walk west and north a block. Absolutely illegal and you will be arrested for: fighting, possession of guns, drugs, or alcohol outside the bar. There's a police station on the corner to enforce this. Prostitution and public drunkenness are illegal in Mexico, but the police are paid off and will ignore you as long as you act completely legal, sober, and respectful in their presence. I've been there hundreds of times and never even heard of any tourist being attacked or assaulted, only pickpocketted (usually by gangs of children). Go with your buddies. Only real drawback is the beer is cheap Mexican crap full of nitrate preservatives that give you a headache.



Stagger Lee said:
You have some valid points here. True even the men most successful at attracting women, would only experience a 5-7% success rate. But a guy's success rate can be anywhere from 0%, 0.5% to everything in between 0% to 7%. How to get closer to 7% and with more attractive females is what all the discussions here are about. There's a big difference between never getting laid no matter how much you try, getting laid once every 100 attempts and getting laid every 14 attempts. Not to mention the difference and the harshness of the rejections and atractiveness of the girls you get. The 7% guy almost never receives a harsh rejection while lower end guys receive frequent and many harsh rejections.

In actuality, the guy most succesful at attracting women will get laid ocassionally and maybe get a GF without even ever really doing any cold approach. He'll experience less rejection and negativity from women in general and have longer and more positive interactions with females. This all provides a positive feedback. Meanwhile, the guy on the lower end of the success rate will experience lots of negativity and rejection from women and very little if any acceptance and positivity.

I'd argue the difference is due mostly to the looks of the male in question. You seem to be arguing that women are equally infrequently sexually available to any and all men if only the man puts at least the same effort into courting or obtaining sex from her. Nothing could be further from the truth. Women are only sexually available to men they find attractive. They decide this quickly and almost never change their mind regardless of their hormonal cycle.
My experience is the exact same women who rejected me repeatedly . . . went nuts to try to seduce me when they were in heat. I'm just an average-looking guy. I think it's because I never push very hard when I make a pass, keep it light, and laugh off rejection. Of course, I always dress well and have a good command of verbal and body language. When I see a target in heat, I move very fast and go straight for sex.
 

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U guys need to learn your value you have much more to offer then females all they bring to the table is ***** you bring money security leadership and a purpose so stop caring about ***** so much if u want to nut jack it because its much better then complaining respect yourselves because u all are the ones giving ***** power being so dang thirsty
 

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I'm a big believer that nature dictates that no matter what your looks, a certain number of women WILL be sexually attracted to you. Nature allows you a little bit of wiggle room. I've seen so many exceptions to everything that's being said on this topic. While looks can definitely support your cause, there's always your female genetic equivalent.

There's a LOT more going on than what's being talked about in this topic, but I'm just going to scratch a tiny bit of the surface. The majority of time, when men are having difficulty, it's for one or more of a few reasons. 1) He behaves in a way that is annoying and scares the woman away. 2) There are women who are initially attracted but then he does something through his behavior to kill the fire that was there and misses an opportunity. 3) He has some attractive traits and his overall behavior is making her feel more attracted, but his timing is off.

His timing is off and he's pushing too hard and trying to go too far at the wrong time. Once you've learned to observe female behavior and interest level and also understand timing, then it becomes incredibly easy. There are plenty of men, rich, poor, tall, short, outgoing, introverted, quiet, over-the-top, humble, arrogant, smart, and dumber than a bag of rocks, all having sex.

While I'm saying that physical attractiveness, whether it's through naturally good looks, or just dressing nicely, is a factor, there are enough female equivalents out there. A 3 can find a 3. A 7 can find a 7. An 8 can find an 8.
If you're a 5 you can easily find 5's. You know realistically that a 6 isn't that much better than a 5. So a 5 can get 6's and even the 7's.

This is actually pretty common. I've seen it over and over and over. It's not quite as bleak as you men here are making it out to be. Realistically, nature gives you some wiggle room + or - 2 points. 5's can realistically get 5's, 6's and 7's. This applies to men or women.

While there are some behavioral and entitlement issues among women, realistically, the numbers don't allow for them not to pay attention to their genetic equivalents + or - 2. Now, if you're a male who's a 5, of course the women who are 1-4's are easy pickings. So if you're a male who's a 9, the 1-8's are going to be easy. The 9's and 10's are your genetic equivalents + or - 1. Your natural tolerance is + or - 2.

Nature dictates above everything else. The species has to propagate itself and it's within her biological imperative to do so. Nature's rules, not mine. This is actually good news though, for the guys who think it's worse than it really is.
 

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Down Low said:
My experience is the exact same women who rejected me repeatedly . . . went nuts to try to seduce me when they were in heat. I'm just an average-looking guy. I think it's because I never push very hard when I make a pass, keep it light, and laugh off rejection. Of course, I always dress well and have a good command of verbal and body language. When I see a target in heat, I move very fast and go straight for sex.
That's never been my experience at all and it's been just the opposite. Whether a girl is sexually responsive or hormonal or not at the time, if they rejected me once and didn't act receptive in general they never were interested sexually or at all no matter how many fertility cycles went by. If they ever responded sexually, they always seemed receptive from the first approach.

If what you were saying were the case then women would only be sexually available part of the month, and would not reject one man for another. Anyone that has been in at bar or any social venue has been rejected and saw the girl accept another male and even leave with him. Women may be slightly more horny and sexually receptive certain times of the month but they still get to select the male who is most attractive that is available. And if a male is not available who meets her attraction standards she'll pass on sex, knowing that a more atttractive man will come along in 15 mins or at worst a day or two. Besides women will have sex any day of the week if a guy is attqractive.

That's the whole point here, women will only have sex with a guy who is attractive enough (since even attractive men will have sex with just about any willing woman) or for money (if she's prostituting) but not just because they feel horny and want to ahve sex. It would be nice if women were willing to take on all available sexual offers if even a week or two a month.
 

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Aristippus said:
I'm a big believer that nature dictates that no matter what your looks, a certain number of women WILL be sexually attracted to you. Nature allows you a little bit of wiggle room. I've seen so many exceptions to everything that's being said on this topic. While looks can definitely support your cause, there's always your female genetic equivalent.

There's a LOT more going on than what's being talked about in this topic, but I'm just going to scratch a tiny bit of the surface. The majority of time, when men are having difficulty, it's for one or more of a few reasons. 1) He behaves in a way that is annoying and scares the woman away. 2) There are women who are initially attracted but then he does something through his behavior to kill the fire that was there and misses an opportunity. 3) He has some attractive traits and his overall behavior is making her feel more attracted, but his timing is off.

His timing is off and he's pushing too hard and trying to go too far at the wrong time. Once you've learned to observe female behavior and interest level and also understand timing, then it becomes incredibly easy. There are plenty of men, rich, poor, tall, short, outgoing, introverted, quiet, over-the-top, humble, arrogant, smart, and dumber than a bag of rocks, all having sex.

While I'm saying that physical attractiveness, whether it's through naturally good looks, or just dressing nicely, is a factor, there are enough female equivalents out there. A 3 can find a 3. A 7 can find a 7. An 8 can find an 8.
If you're a 5 you can easily find 5's. You know realistically that a 6 isn't that much better than a 5. So a 5 can get 6's and even the 7's.

This is actually pretty common. I've seen it over and over and over. It's not quite as bleak as you men here are making it out to be. Realistically, nature gives you some wiggle room + or - 2 points. 5's can realistically get 5's, 6's and 7's. This applies to men or women.

While there are some behavioral and entitlement issues among women, realistically, the numbers don't allow for them not to pay attention to their genetic equivalents + or - 2. Now, if you're a male who's a 5, of course the women who are 1-4's are easy pickings. So if you're a male who's a 9, the 1-8's are going to be easy. The 9's and 10's are your genetic equivalents + or - 1. Your natural tolerance is + or - 2.

Nature dictates above everything else. The species has to propagate itself and it's within her biological imperative to do so. Nature's rules, not mine. This is actually good news though, for the guys who think it's worse than it really is.
But you are really just denying female hypergamy. What you're saying would be mostly true if men and women paired off one-to-one and were being monogamous. They would looks match and even personality match. But what you have is guys at the top sexing multiple women. Males let's say L10-7 are monopolizing most all of the women. If you are a L7 male you might be left with mostly HB6's and 5's or lower, and if you're a L6 male you may not be in the game at all.

Whether it's due to nature or enviroment, it's beyond obvious that women are more particular than men. So there is no matching going on. Men are "dating" down and women are "dating" up.
 
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I think Down Lows theory about the woman in heat choosing any guy MIGHT work in the absence of male competition, but the other 99% of the time, I agree with Stagger Lee.

In other words, if she was REALLY horny AND no other guys were at that party AND the guy was at least decent looking AND he made a move. Then I could see it. But at a typical sausage fest bar, she would likely trade up for a hotter guy.

My last lay was in Vegas just about two years ago. My hair was much more full then. I was probably a mid 7 in looks realistically. The ONLY reason I scored an 8 to 8.5 was it was the right place and time AND she had to leave to catch a flight in a couple hours. She didn't have TIME to be too picky and do the typical hypergamy crap. I was decent looking and made a move. I wasn't her "A" guy, but given her time constraint, horniness, and desire to get reamed before heading home, I would do.

After we did it, she said half joking and half serious condescending "You just totally scored." It was across between a compliment and a neg.

In other words, she knew that she had slightly relaxed her normal STANDARDS just to get laid. When there is a slight looks mismatch, somebody gets a better deal than the other. Usually it's the female. That time, it was me.

It was fun anyway.

My point being that sometimes women can slightly relax their looks standards, but its an anomaly not a typical thing.
 

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Mike32ct said:
Interesting. Do you find that the availability of prostitutes makes regular girls easier to score? In other words, is it any easier to pull a regular ONS with a girl near Amsterdam given that a guy could easily pay for it (even if its looked down upon)?

Because I think that's the argument the guys here are making, but it assumes that legal prostitution is everywhere, not just one area.
I'd say it doesn't necessarily make it easier to score with girls. It might mean however that men find out that relationships aren't just about sex. In my experience the men who make things strictly about sex are also the least likely to score. A more laidback attitude, of a man enjoying life, is a surefire way of getting laid. I do think there's a healthier attitude towards sex in Europe. It isn't as all-encompassing over here as it is in the States. And that is precisely the reason why getting sex is a process that happens far more naturally.
 

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Burroughs said:
:crackup: You're obviously a clueless faggot :crackup: talking about 'no girl will want you if she finds out...' that is some faggot talk right there...

Men never rationalize or negotiate your life based on what women want...do whatever the fvck you want 24 fvcking 7..

@mike32 as long as western men remain pansified sissies regarding their own desire to fvck biyaches left and right like tiger woods...nothing will change...widespread prostitution SHOULD PROVIDE A GATEWAY for men to finally say to women NO MORE NEGOTIATING FVCKING..if I want to get my d!ck wet I'm going to do it...with MY GIRL right now...or with a professional an hour later...

DON'T LET feminized fatalism sway you from the desire to fvck random puzzy...that is what we as men want and women have shamed us into thinking this is 'bad' so that we fall into their control meme.

Faggot talk? I don't need to pay for sex. I can get sex any time I want, because girls actually want to suck my ****. You on the other hand..
 

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Stagger Lee said:
Whether it's due to nature or enviroment, it's beyond obvious that women are more particular than men. So there is no matching going on. Men are "dating" down and women are "dating" up.
And losing their houses, cars (she'll take over your fvckin car if it's upscale and she starts living with you/marries you and leave you with your old beat up truck you used to drive to work). Your finances become shot, Unless you marry outside of America, even then, abroad, they are becoming more "westernized" through TV pumping over there as well, so if you Don't give over your wallet/card, she'll be gone, good looks or not.

They're all *****s, and dumb as sh!t, very dumb, yet they're no longer relegated to the kitchen, fixing stuff for Super Bowl Sunday, for Thanksgiving, for all family events. I shutter at what the future family will resemble, women who refuse to cook! who've warped the whole family component in the name of "equality" which is bullsh!t cause they are far from Equal to Us, who/we've created ever-fvckin thing they ever-fvckin use, including the kitchen wares, the car they drive the chair they muther-fvckin sit it. I wish that guys would just wake up, For-fvckin-get that they have to "reproduce" that Time is of the essence to HAVE to get with woman no matter what In Order to live their lives. Our Cause is greater than ourselves. This is to save humanity cause it's going down the toilet. Enough is enough. We must start shunning all women. Get your Sex fill, get your fvcking outta the way. Then you will realize that today's woman, you should SHUN, unless she (woman as a whole - it will take a Long-as5 time guys to reverse the trend due to media control, we must reverse it through reality of our aggregate behavior on the ground out the in real world as guys, that is not giving them an inch, withdrawing ourselves for years if we have to, to withdraw our funding, the opening up our checkbooks to these Amero-HOES) Reverts Back to they old world ways of Just 60 to 70 years ago (before the 60s revolution, where thousands of years of normalcy were turned on it's head, and the decay of society Ramped UP, the debt, to borrow from the future to buy these demanding HOES ever-increasing toys, hair-dos, luxury items, non-luxury items, we are entering a deadly dangerous Bubble that this all caused and many, like half the planet, are going to die from it bursting and no one knows or can see it before it happens, of course, the ones who will die, before it's too late, food to feed all will vanish in the blink of an eye, already noticing the things I regularly buy at the grocery store upping 33% because they are stuffing your product with less and keeping the price the same).

Thousands of years of normalcy, the woman taking care of the children at home while the shepherd is out in the fields tending his flock...turned on it's head.
 

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Burroughs said:
:crackup: You're obviously a clueless faggot :crackup: talking about 'no girl will want you if she finds out...' that is some faggot talk right there...

Men never rationalize or negotiate your life based on what women want...do whatever the fvck you want 24 fvcking 7..

@mike32 as long as western men remain pansified sissies regarding their own desire to fvck biyaches left and right like tiger woods...nothing will change...widespread prostitution SHOULD PROVIDE A GATEWAY for men to finally say to women NO MORE NEGOTIATING FVCKING..if I want to get my d!ck wet I'm going to do it...with MY GIRL right now...or with a professional an hour later...

DON'T LET feminized fatalism sway you from the desire to fvck random puzzy...that is what we as men want and women have shamed us into thinking this is 'bad' so that we fall into their control meme.
i don't care one way or the other about your actual post, but a man can get his point accross without insulting another man. The need to throw out personal jabs at people to prove a point is a sign of lack of intelligence, something I know you don't lack. Nor is it a particularly attractive trait to females.

you're better than this.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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