The number one reason guys don't do well in the game after improving so much.

[Listen_to_Olly]

I've seen countless guys hit the gym, become better looking, actually learn game, approach girls, put themselves out there, and they're still struggling. When I say do well in the game, I mean having options in regards to women and occasionally getting hot girls. I want to address the number one reason guys do poorly in the game and talk about its subsets.

The number one reason guys do poorly is because they have built a lifestyle that just isn't receptive to meeting women and getting hot girls. Your lifestyle should be doing the work for you.

PUA has put this screwed up belief in a guy's head that he can walk up to any attractive woman, get her number, and then get a date. If you disagree with it it's because you don't believe in game and these guys will ostracize you.

What I am going to tell you is true and I've seen guys who were far from handsome pull it off. The truth is that most guys out there who are getting hot girls, they aren't doing it through this PUA spam approach method. Instead, they've built a lifestyle for themselves that attracts hot girls.

Here is how some of your lifestyle choices are seriously hurting you in regards to doing well in the game.

1. You don't care about location and think it means little.

You think you can do just as well with hot girls being in podunk as some club promoter can in Vegas.

You think you can run PUA style game in some backwater city where everyone gets married at 25 and what is left over is highly unpleasant.

You stick to cities like San Francisco which are just horrible for men and don't bother to venture out of there.

Most guys who have a lot of hot girls in their lives are simply living in areas where hot girls congregate. A guy living in Vegas, Miami, NYC, Chicago, and Austin is going to have a lot more options with hot girls than a guy living in San Francisco or Toronto. Unless you're willing to quit your job and become a nightclub promoter or luck out into joining an elite social circle, you just won't have much luck in a terrible city.

You will always underperform as guys uglier than you in better cities get hotter girls.

2. You don't put yourself in situations where you are regularly meeting women.

Being a hermit and then going out on weekends to socialize is doing it the wrong way. Instead, you need to take up some sort of a hobby, side gig, or something to help yourself out. You need to interact with decent looking women daily (try not to do it at your 9 to 5 with coworkers) and be around them so you're comfortable.

Going from programming 50 hrs a week to spending the weekend spam approaching women at a bar? Not the way to do it.

Working your 9 to 5, having a hobby that has you in contact with decent looking women, going out with friends, and then approaching women as you are having a good time? That's the way to do it.

3. Your logistics suck.

You live out in the suburbs instead of the city where all the fun is.

You live in an area with old people, retirees, and families instead of a younger area where all the parties and hot girls are.

Once again, you fix this.

4. You're not in the mix and you're out of touch.

Girls around your age use social media, cool guys use it, you ignore it.

You ignore Tinder and dating apps that are the new normal because of some messed up philosophy.

You think that spam approaching like those RSD guys is the only way to get laid and you screw your chances up royally in the long term.

You need to leave no stone unturned when you go on the path to bettering your life in regards to meeting women.

Fixing it means getting your sh-t together.

You need money to live in the fun part of a fun city and for that you need a career and a source of income. This is tougher than just reading game books, approaching women, and even getting fit. So you take the time out to get this resolved until you have the freedom to move to some of the cities of your choice.

From there, you build a lifestyle that does the work for you.

 

[AttackFormation]

Amen dude. It's been said, but proximity and competition anxiety are absolutely the #1 determinants of success with women assuming you are basically in shape. If you work a male-dominated job, you have a male-dominated hobby(ies), you don't have many or any female acquaintances who can introduce their friends to you and you don't have a good OLD profile (the right pictures), you can be twice the man you were when you were in an environment like school and still not get sh!t done. Whereas if you're somewhat in shape and somewhere like a female-dominated school, your success will be automatic, and build on itself.

 

[btownbuck2012]

I don't disagree with any of this but I feel like the underlying message is to adjust your ENTIRE life in order to get laid. I just can't justify that. If your ambitions/job/whatever the hell you're trying to do with your life put you in a position to meet a-lot of women that's great but don't be the guy who looks back on his youth and all you did with yourself was chase p*ssy.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with any of this. It's an excellent post. But unfortunately women, at least in my experience, just aren't worth this kind of effort. That's just me though. I definitely wouldn't look down upon or fault a guy for taking this direction with his life. I guess it comes down to what's important to you.

 

[Good Gao]

I don't disagree with any of this but I feel like the underlying message is to adjust your ENTIRE life in order to get laid. I just can't justify that. If your ambitions/job/whatever the hell you're trying to do with your life put you in a position to meet a-lot of women that's great but don't be the guy who looks back on his youth and all you did with yourself was chase p*ssy.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with any of this. It's an excellent post. But unfortunately women, at least in my experience, just aren't worth this kind of effort. That's just me though. I definitely wouldn't look down upon or fault a guy for taking this direction with his life. I guess it comes down to what's important to you.

Lets put it this way, you're on a forum where people have dedicated countless hours to writing theories about female psyche.

I don't think you or anyone should judge a guy for wanting to move to a more desirable location to improve their dating lives.

And why is it all about chasing p-ssy? Are you telling me there are no job opportunities in NYC and Montreal?

 

[btownbuck2012]

Lets put it this way, you're on a forum where people have dedicated countless hours to writing theories about female psyche.

I don't think you or anyone should judge a guy for wanting to move to a more desirable location to improve their dating lives.

And why is it all about chasing p-ssy? Are you telling me there are no job opportunities in NYC and Montreal?

Go back and actually read what I wrote

 

[fastlife]

Good post. BUT regardless you still have to fill the funnel, regardless of how efficient the funnel itself is. None of these things are mutually exclusive to 'spam approaching.' And while you can fill the funnel w/ OLD or social circle--these limit your options significantly.

So, yeah, work to optimize your funnel & build a life that's awesome with or without girls--but an imperfect lifestyle isn't a complete impediment to at least sporadic success with girls and those skills carry over to when you get your logistics on point.

 

[3agle 3yes]

100% agree with @btownbuck2012 word-for-word.

Interestingly I have experienced in myself and other men that, when you live your life, have fun and do your thing without trying to chase women all the time you ATTRACT them (note the difference between going to places where there are women and ATTRACTING them to you).

What do I mean by "attracting women"? Has anyone experienced "that group" or "that man" that knows everybody, is having a good time and is overall just chill? Random women around will be like "who are those people?" Or "Who is that guy?"

 

[AttackFormation]

Haven't got the sort of time available to write an indepth reply that I would like.

But the whole problem with the "build it and they will come" mentality is that you have lost the frame before you even meet the hypothetical girl that you are doing all of that for.

I agree with some of the points that I read, but the general vibe of building a life that is tailor made for a woman to saunter into is a weak effeminate one IMO.

I see it as a way for guys to seek womens' approval but being able to tell themselves otherwise so they can still be the man they want to think of themselves as, like a guy who won't admit that sex appeal was a strong reason why he started working out and he "does it for himself". If this kind of "law of attraction" stuff worked in the real universe, guys could just do whatever they wanted and women would somehow appear and put in the work for them out of thin air. No IT manager who enjoys fishing and walking his dog in the woods in his free time or whatever is gonna start appealing to women just because he's content with his life.

If what you enjoy doing happens to also put you around a lot of women, that's great, but suggesting that guys who have a load of different personalities and interests should learn to like doing what women want them to do or what they "need" to do to get women is really just senseless.

 

[Who Dares Win]

You can be the best most creative engineer in the world but if you live in a desert town in arabia you wont be building any palace.

On the other side of the world a decent engineer who knows how not to screw things up but has no genius has just finish building his fifth condo and is on the front page of local magazines.

 

[Who Dares Win]

That's extreme.

Place where I live is population 100,000. There are a few towns around me that are the same.

That is far more than enough women for me.

Would I do better in London, Las Vegas, Milan, etc? Sure. But I like where I am.

The sort of guy that actually moves his entire life in the hopes that some women will approve has some really big mental problems. That's the real issue that needs addressing - insecurity and the like.

Of course it was extreme I had to communicate a concept.
Surely not my intention to suggest anyone to base his life decisions on pvssy.

Btw you wont be doing any good in milan trust me, italian big cities are a pain the ass even more than spanish ones altought not as much as greek ones.
Women are spoiled from the culture, the M:F ratio and tend to give priority to their own men.

Of course there are exceptions I base it on my experience and on the experiences of many guys from all the corners of Europe.

 

[Trainwreck]

Yes, getting girls is a full time job on its own. I'm not going to waste my free time or alter my hobbies for pu$$. This is just a way of putting ***** on the pedestal. A girl can live in suburbia, not have any interesting hobbies and still be flooded with dvck. It doesn't have to be this way, but you pua white knights keep finding other ways to pedastilze pu$$y.

 

[ubercat]

Y not opt for the middle ground. Have a manly hobby and a chick friendly one. R u guys all bare knuckle boxing in your spare time? If yr lifting yr going to need to stretch out. Yoga or Pilates classes have plenty of chicks. I enjoy badminton with my gf. It's reasonably mixed. Keys r routine and doing things every 2 weeks so yr a regular but can fit in a variety of interests.

 

[Trump]

Bro you are sending out mixed messages. In the first part you say "Guys haven't built the lifestyle to meet women. Their lifestyle should do the work for them." In the second part you say "Guys haven't built the lifestyle to meet women because they don't care about location, they don't care about logistics, they are not putting themselves in situations to meet women.."

The first is correct, the second part isn't. If your lifestyle is good, women will flock to you. If it sucks, they won't. If you were a top Doctor, you wouldn't have to join salsa class. If you were a famous Investor, you wouldn't have to be on Tinder. If you were a top Engineer, you wouldn't have to join clubs.

Its not that easy to just uproot your life and move to be in place where there are more women. Of course every guy would love it, but its not practical. Real life gets in the way.

 

[ubercat]

Guess what I m not a top doctor. I still get laid. And that's happened whatever my location. Not that I particularly care anymore. U guys set the bar too high. If you're an average guy who plays the game a bit smarter than average you ll do fine. Where SMV really matters is HB 8 and up. If you have champagne tastes you'd better work hard and grow the wallet to match.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Guess what I m not a top doctor. I still get laid. And that's happened whatever my location. Not that I particularly care anymore. U guys set the bar too high. If you're an average guy who plays the game a bit smarter than average you ll do fine. Where SMV really matters is HB 8 and up. If you have champagne tastes you'd better work hard and grow the wallet to match.

Yep, and the crazy thing is these HB8s and up more often than not have terrible personalities to suit. Some mathematical geek should work out an algorithm that factors in both looks and personality. Then we could apply the numbers to something like an LP continuum. She may only be an HB 7, but factor in the personality and she may be an LP 10.

 

[Listen_to_Olly]

I don't disagree with any of this but I feel like the underlying message is to adjust your ENTIRE life in order to get laid. I just can't justify that. If your ambitions/job/whatever the hell you're trying to do with your life put you in a position to meet a-lot of women that's great but don't be the guy who looks back on his youth and all you did with yourself was chase p*ssy.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with any of this. It's an excellent post. But unfortunately women, at least in my experience, just aren't worth this kind of effort. That's just me though. I definitely wouldn't look down upon or fault a guy for taking this direction with his life. I guess it comes down to what's important to you.

Okay fine, then don't worry about location but if you're in a terrible location, can't seem to get laid, then don't come on this forum talking about game, giving others advice about women, whining, or let alone even coming on this forum.

If you find it too much to move to a brand new location favorable for you in regards to women because you some noble higher calling then pursue that noble higher calling and stop coming on here, not meant for you specifically but men with that mindset in general.

Because if getting good with women means that much to you, you will change your location.

If means nothing to you or hardly that much, you won't change your location but you won't come on here, a forum dedicated to game and getting laid, and post. Because if your noble purpose in life is that important, you won't be posting on here either.

 

[btownbuck2012]

Okay fine, then don't worry about location but if you're in a terrible location, can't seem to get laid, then don't come on this forum talking about game, giving others advice about women, whining, or let alone even coming on this forum.

If you find it too much to move to a brand new location favorable for you in regards to women because you some noble higher calling then pursue that noble higher calling and stop coming on here, not meant for you specifically but men with that mindset in general.

Because if getting good with women means that much to you, you will change your location.

If means nothing to you or hardly that much, you won't change your location but you won't come on here, a forum dedicated to game and getting laid, and post. Because if your noble purpose in life is that important, you won't be posting on here either.

Lol, chill dude...

AGAIN, wasn't disagreeing with anything you said....

 

[Listen_to_Olly]

Bro you are sending out mixed messages. In the first part you say "Guys haven't built the lifestyle to meet women. Their lifestyle should do the work for them." In the second part you say "Guys haven't built the lifestyle to meet women because they don't care about location, they don't care about logistics, they are not putting themselves in situations to meet women.."

The first is correct, the second part isn't. If your lifestyle is good, women will flock to you. If it sucks, they won't. If you were a top Doctor, you wouldn't have to join salsa class. If you were a famous Investor, you wouldn't have to be on Tinder. If you were a top Engineer, you wouldn't have to join clubs.

Its not that easy to just uproot your life and move to be in place where there are more women. Of course every guy would love it, but its not practical. Real life gets in the way.

Bro you don't know a thing about game, STFU.

Doctors and engineers do not get hot girls, period, they might get a trophy wife that is a gold digger at best but they don't get hot girls. Musicians and bartenders do but being a doctor or engineer will not help you get hot girls, they don't want financial security and those professions are boring for them.

Now if the doctor or engineer is handsome that is another thing but that applies everywhere.

 

[Listen_to_Olly]

Lol, chill dude...

AGAIN, wasn't disagreeing with anything you said....

I am just tired of self-righteous types like you trying to make men feel guilty for moving if they want a better location in regards to women.

All I said was if chasing women isn't that important for you, then don't come on a game forum either, go chase your noble purpose instead.

We can agree a guy is better off moving to a favorable location than whining on a game forum isn't he?

 

[btownbuck2012]

I am just tired of self-righteous types like you trying to make men feel guilty for moving if they want a better location in regards to women.

All I said was if chasing women isn't that important for you, then don't come on a game forum either, go chase your noble purpose instead.

We can agree a guy is better off moving to a favorable location than whining on a game forum isn't he?

Can you literally go back and read what I wrote in it's entirety?