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http://www.rooshv.com/the-mens-rights-movement-is-dead

The Men’s Rights Movement Is Dead
By Roosh
Three years ago I wrote a post titled “Men’s Rights Has Become A Euphemism For Sexual Loser.” I argued that the movement is made up of manginas who refuse to improve themselves. Afterwards, a part of me felt regret for blasting them. After all, we’re all on the same team, in search of happiness in an increasingly male hostile world.

So I reached out to them. I commented on their blogs. I tweeted their posts. I endured their temper tantrums about how game “doesn’t work” or is “only for sluts.” I held out hope that they would self-organize and smash feminism in the face. But nothing happened. There was no action, no “movement” to speak of. In that time they only had one victory to boast about: the removal of a Huggies commercial that was deemed offensive to dads. The sad part is that the anti-diaper activism happened outside of the MRA sphere. They couldn’t even claim it was their work. They were the reporters who arrived late to the crime scene trying to pretend they still had the exclusive scoop, but the viewers at home weren’t fooled.

The biggest problem with MRAs is that they are not activists. They are pamphleteers. They believe knowledge alone will solve the ills of the world. They believe that merely reading about how men are getting shafted will improve the status quo. They believe that one-thousand of them typing away and producing ten-thousand blog posts will change society. Men will spontaneously rise up! They will fight the matriarchy! But they haven’t, and they never will. Their movement hasn’t produced any results, only little online playgrounds where sad boys can sit in the sandbox and helplessly watch girls play with the ****y boys who understand the rules of the game.

I looked in the dictionary for the definition of activist: “the policy or action of using vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.” What political or social change have the men’s rights pamphleteers brought? Say MRP in one syllable. That’s the sound they make every time they sit down and hit publish on another one of their turd rants, giddy at the prospect of changing the world when a cup of strong coffee accomplishes more change to their actual turds. They are not read by the influencers of our society. They don’t have the ears of politicians, professors, or journalists. They get the occasional snarky mention from Jezebel and think they’re accomplishing something when they’re actually being used as nothing more than fodder for female bemusement or page views that help make Nick Denton richer. Even the feminists, their supposed mortal enemy, refuse to debate them on equal footing.

There are 684 woman’s studies programs in the United States. How many men’s rights programs have the MRPs helped instate? Zero. How many pro-man laws have been passed thanks to the work of the MRP? None. How many real victories can they claim? Not one. The entire men’s rights non-movement can be boiled down to one middle-aged man named Paul Elam who is carrying the weight of a thousand pamphleteers on his suffering shoulders. That’s not activism, that’s following one dude’s blog. The difference they think they’re making by cheering the public outing of false rape accusers or “male shamers” is the same difference my sister makes when she reads an article in Cosmo.

I’ve made dozens of posts complaining of American women and feminism. I’ve read a thousand articles on the internet about how they are ruining society. Aren’t I just like the MRPs? Aren’t I just another professional whiner like them? There’s a difference:

I take personal action and encourage other men to do the same.

At the same time I was complaining that American girls are fat, I was blasting inside Polish girls with perfect bodies. I tell men how to sleep with such women.

At the same time I was whining about divorce rape, I was dating a Ukrainian girl who treated me like a king. I tell other men where to find women like her.

At the same time I complain that the American economy is in trouble, I was completing another book I knew my readers would like so that I could increase my income. I provide men with a forum that contains a lifestyle section to discuss money-making tips.

At the same time I was ranting against the Skrillex haircut, I was banging a Lithuanian girl whose hair belonged in a Vidal Sassoon shampoo commercial. I tell men how feminine women are like.

Instead of taking real action with their lives, MRPs are hoping the government will one day serve their interests and give them things that me and my readers are achieving on their own. I don’t need the government to pass laws against alimony. I simply won’t marry in the USA. I don’t need the government to pass laws promoting fair child custody laws. I won’t impregnate an America girl. I don’t need the government to increase punishment for false rape accusers. I’ll cover my own back. I don’t need the government to ban trans fat to lower the weight of the population. I’ll go to Poland. While they try to change the minds and culture of 310 million Americans with their WordPress blogs, I’ll be hitting on pretty girls in a Croatian bar. I’ll be living the life that I want instead of being entitled and waiting for the government to give it to me. In the same breath they call me a ***** beggar, they beg the government for protection from *****.

Last time I checked, the government is not forcing me to interact with American girls. They are not forcing me to live in Washington DC. I can improve my station any way I want. The reason is because I’m from the mother****ing United States of America. If I can’t figure out how to improve my appearance, learn some game, make some money from an internet side business, travel abroad to **** women, and find happiness in the world, then no one can. I don’t need the American government to look after my interests, because I can chase after my own. Instead of listening to Paul Elam tell me that men are getting ****ed, I will step out of the house and find a girl who wants to get ****ed by me.

Anything that a MRP wants right now can be achieved somewhere in the world. You don’t need the government to provide it for you—simply get on an airplane and make it yours. But they rather sob silently in the closet with a box of tissues while watching women get their pussies demolished by men who have learned skills they are are too scared or lazy to even attempt. Just like how fat women use the euphemism “healthy body weight” as a rationalization to be obese, MRPs use their illusionary movement as an excuse to sit on their ass and be a loser at life.

I know you are entertained by my occasional anti-feminist rants because I read your comments. I see my stat counter spike up whenever I take a hot steaming **** directly in a feminist’s mouth, but I also get dozens of emails every month from guys who thank me for helping them. They are getting more out of what they want in life because they are acting on the advice I’m sharing. Instead of complaining about the state of society and shooting loads of ecstasy all over the men’s rights subreddit, they are making changes to their life to grab that pizza slice of happiness that is undoubtedly easier for an American citizen privileged to be born in the most prosperous country the world has ever seen. The MRPs are wasting this economical advantage by spending all their time reading blogs by guys who have no idea how to help men achieve their goals.

I want to say I’m saddened that MRAs and myself are unable to co-exist, but really I’m not. They add no value to my life and give me no answers on how to navigate the modern world. They were faced with a choice: spend all their free time on blogs or approach a god damn woman. They picked the former. For that I have no respect for them. The storm has arrived and they are the dead weight that must be quickly tossed overboard to prevent the boat from capsizing.

The only true regret I have is that as part of the “manosphere” I’m automatically grouped in with those guys, who are even bigger losers than I could have imagined three years ago. By saying that I know they will hate me now more than ever. They will say I’m using “shaming language” and that I’m hurting their feelings, but they should thank me for this righteous shame because it’s the only way they will see the dead-end road they have taken. From the bottom of my dark heart I want to give them a piece of advice that I sincerely hope they take: before you decide to change the world, try changing your own life first.
 

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Dear Warrior,
Roosh does tend to overstate his points of view......The Mens rights movements are constantly making gradual improvements all over the World....Here Down Under,the difference in the Family Law Court for me from six years ago and thirty years ago was remarkable,for a start my Pre Nuptial,would not have been recognised in 1983.....Men I come in contact with,are getting a far better deal on access to their kids...my contact with the Courts System was,if not quite even handed,much improved....I am sure things are steadily improving for you guys too...The area we have to look at is the Universities and education systems generally,where incredibly crude and biased left wing propaganda is brought to bear on the young,often with punitive effects on those who chose to question it....But guys,how does this effect us as true DJ's?.......until such time as you live with them,you are sound as a Pound!
 

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As I wrote a week ago regarding the men's rights movement...

Zarky said:
How are y'all "helping" other men? By b*tching non-stop? I tell men: Don't get married, don't have kids, don't knock up chicks, and be smart don't get yourself into a situation where she could cry rape. If you want to vote for lawmakers that further your MRA political agenda, go for it. I might too. But sitting around whining like babies about things you think aren't fair is hardly "helping" the world.

I think the reason I hate the manosphere is because they all seem like girlish whiners. I hate whining. The feminists banded together and got laws passed. Why don't you? In California they can send a guy to jail for failure to pay child support. Get a proposition on the ballot repealing that. I'll vote for it. But please stop whining.
 

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Scaramouche said:
Dear Warrior,
Roosh does tend to overstate his points of view......The Mens rights movements are constantly making gradual improvements all over the World....Here Down Under,the difference in the Family Law Court for me from six years ago and thirty years ago was remarkable,for a start my Pre Nuptial,would not have been recognised in 1983.....Men I come in contact with,are getting a far better deal on access to their kids...my contact with the Courts System was,if not quite even handed,much improved....I am sure things are steadily improving for you guys too...The area we have to look at is the Universities and education systems generally,where incredibly crude and biased left wing propaganda is brought to bear on the young,often with punitive effects on those who chose to question it....But guys,how does this effect us as true DJ's?.......until such time as you live with them,you are sound as a Pound!
Scara,
I know Roosh does tend to overstate. He has some valid points, although his answer is to just get the hell out of the country. We can't all be Roosh. Some of us are here and not going anywhere.
 

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Why does Roosh equate men's rights with not being able to get laid? What the hell does one have to do with the other? You think having "good game" will make you immune to being on the wrong side of the feminized legal system? Someone's being deusional if they think so.

Besides, "Move to Poland" is a pretty lame solution to a genuine problem. That's the best you got, Roosh?

Like PairPlusRoyalFlush says, this is a relatively new movement. It's still in its "creating awareness" stage. If it's going to ever get traction, it's going to take some time.

Roosh is doing men's rights a real disservice by equating it with manginas, pvssies, and losers. That will really make more men interested in finding out about the problem, won't it? Way to support your gender, you and Michael Moore would get along great.

This is the problem with a lot of men. They think as long as they are "blasting cvm" into some chick, everything's fine. No wonder the male gender is losing ground.
 

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You think having "good game" will make you immune to being on the wrong side of the feminized legal system? Someone's being deusional if they think so.
Roosh himself is already on the wrong side of the feminised legal system, if you read his past posts. Game is no defence against that.
 

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When was it ever truly "alive"? I mean, outside of a small group of guys on the internet, most people arent aware of the MRM, especially not everyday guys.
 

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I don't plan on posting here but i do read this forum still from time to time and this post jumped at me as one I felt obligated to respond to, beucase I think the truth was hit upon, the real truth, and a lot of people have over looked it. And i will say this now, this is going to piss some people off, fvck it. I guess i will probblay post here and there but honestly i'm really liking this not being tied to this forum thing a lot. My mind has gotten a lot more clear.

Solon head the nail on the head. Let's just call the MRM exactly what it is; the avg white American male movement to get his ***** back

Please note, as you know my wife is white, my son is half white, **** my mom is half white, I'm not a racist, but this is the truth.


For hundreds of years, the white male in america has for all intents and purposes had it made. Because it was socially unaccecptable, **** legally for a while, for white women to date outside their race, and beucase we lived in a much bigger world back then, women tolerated far less in men beucase they had no choice. Throw in the fact that women did not make what men made on avg, and that divorce laws where pure hell if not impossible on most women, it gave the avg white male a sense of entitlement to ***** that he had not really earned. You could be a bum, you could not have game, you could not be the best looking guy out there but she wasn't going anywhere and it was in her best interest to make the best of the situation she was in because it wasn't getting any better.

Over the years, with women getting paid more, the same as men, with divorce laws becoming more femcentric, and with the boom of the internet and social media, women now have the ability to cross date, move up, move out, move away.

This doesn't effect all white men. If you are a true catch as a white man, you have your pick of the litter still. No what this effects, are the middle tier white men.. the guys who 50 years ago would have bagged HB 7.5's easily and married one without question now can't keep a girl beucase she keeps leaving. These women are moving up, sharing catches, dating interracial, moving across the country, not needing a man to support them

You notice how you never really hear black people *****ing about how messed up this **** is? me, warrior, solomon, all black all 99.9% on the same page.. watch your back, hone your game, know the laws, watch out for red flags, you will more than get yours. this is the hand that for the mot part we have been born into; you deal with it just like you deal with everything else in life. As a black male, I don't know one man who pays child support.. well i take that back I know one, and my dad has had 3 sons by 3 women and hasn't i his life paid a dime of child support and owns his own janitorial business. I know one, about to be 2 guys who pay alimony.

These laws only bite the people who are too socially ignorant to otherwise spot the red flags.

I personally think it's a lost cause for the most part beucase none of the current laws are going anywhere beucase they are there for a reason. It's not like the anti dj ferry just magically put all these laws on the books for no reason at all. 50-75 years ago if a guy beat the living siht ouf his wife and she could not financially support herself and her kids she could not leave as she had nothing coming to her. My own (white) material grandfather flat out told my mom he wasn't giving my grand mother a dime to raise a half breed. and did not. so no the child support laws aren't going anywherre. you want to get raped by child support laws don't have kids with ****ty women or kids you don't want.


And roosh is just as bad as everyone here; his answer isn't even an answer it's a cop-out; let's move to some underdeveloped country in world where the white male is still revered. The irony of his entire post being that the same reason he *****es about American reason are the exact same reason why the women he talks about as "better" are falling over him there; he is a status symbol, he can provide security for her that otherwise she won't have. its the ultimate hpergamy play. the only thing he has done was move / travel somewhere where Hpermany more works in his favor. That's not a bad thing, I mean that's smart but he acts lik ehe has found this new found knowledge when he hasn't. lol as a black male I have been to europe, my wife is from europe, plenty of times i assure you it doesn't work like that for me lol.

I'm out.
 
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backbreaker said:
I don't plan on posting here but i do read this forum still from time to time and this post jumped at me as one I felt obligated to respond to, beucase I think the truth was hit upon, the real truth, and a lot of people have over looked it. And i will say this now, this is going to piss some people off, fvck it. I guess i will probblay post here and there but honestly i'm really liking this not being tied to this forum thing a lot. My mind has gotten a lot more clear.

Solon head the nail on the head. Let's just call the MRM exactly what it is; the avg white American male movement to get his ***** back

Please note, as you know my wife is white, my son is half white, **** my mom is half white, I'm not a racist, but this is the truth.


For hundreds of years, the white male in america has for all intents and purposes had it made. Because it was socially unaccecptable, **** legally for a while, for white women to date outside their race, and beucase we lived in a much bigger world back then, women tolerated far less in men beucase they had no choice. Throw in the fact that women did not make what men made on avg, and that divorce laws where pure hell if not impossible on most women, it gave the avg white male a sense of entitlement to ***** that he had not really earned. You could be a bum, you could not have game, you could not be the best looking guy out there but she wasn't going anywhere and it was in her best interest to make the best of the situation she was in because it wasn't getting any better.

Over the years, with women getting paid more, the same as men, with divorce laws becoming more femcentric, and with the boom of the internet and social media, women now have the ability to cross date, move up, move out, move away.

This doesn't effect all white men. If you are a true catch as a white man, you have your pick of the litter still. No what this effects, are the middle tier white men.. the guys who 50 years ago would have bagged HB 7.5's easily and married one without question now can't keep a girl beucase she keeps leaving. These women are moving up, sharing catches, dating interracial, moving across the country, not needing a man to support them

You notice how you never really hear black people *****ing about how messed up this **** is? me, warrior, solomon, all black all 99.9% on the same page.. watch your back, hone your game, know the laws, watch out for red flags, you will more than get yours. this is the hand that for the mot part we have been born into; you deal with it just like you deal with everything else in life. As a black male, I don't know one man who pays child support.. well i take that back I know one, and my dad has had 3 sons by 3 women and hasn't i his life paid a dime of child support and owns his own janitorial business. I know one, about to be 2 guys who pay alimony.

These laws only bite the people who are too socially ignorant to otherwise spot the red flags.

I personally think it's a lost cause for the most part beucase none of the current laws are going anywhere beucase they are there for a reason. It's not like the anti dj ferry just magically put all these laws on the books for no reason at all. 50-75 years ago if a guy beat the living siht ouf his wife and she could not financially support herself and her kids she could not leave as she had nothing coming to her. My own (white) material grandfather flat out told my mom he wasn't giving my grand mother a dime to raise a half breed. and did not. so no the child support laws aren't going anywherre. you want to get raped by child support laws don't have kids with ****ty women or kids you don't want.


And roosh is just as bad as everyone here; his answer isn't even an answer it's a cop-out; let's move to some underdeveloped country in world where the white male is still revered. The irony of his entire post being that the same reason he *****es about American reason are the exact same reason why the women he talks about as "better" are falling over him there; he is a status symbol, he can provide security for her that otherwise she won't have. its the ultimate hpergamy play. the only thing he has done was move / travel somewhere where Hpermany more works in his favor. That's not a bad thing, I mean that's smart but he acts lik ehe has found this new found knowledge when he hasn't. lol as a black male I have been to europe, my wife is from europe, plenty of times i assure you it doesn't work like that for me lol.

I'm out.

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Nothing to add

BackBreaker broke this down better then I could

The movement is a joke plain and simple

Step your game up, become finaicail free, be phsyically in shape, and he does have a point, if anyone has any complaints agiasnt feminsim the black man should be the first one to have the pulpit because it fucced up the dynamcis of the black man and black woman (remember white woman went to "sister solider" to back her up in the late 60's)

I co-sign this post 1000% the only solution is self-improvment
 

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backbreaker said:
For hundreds of years, the white male in america has for all intents and purposes made it.
Corrected your sentence there bud.

Race is irrelevant. Men built this country into the world super power that it is in a mere fraction of time that every other country had been around. Then feminism takes hold and in the last 50 years we have spiraled downward from former standing at an startling rate. I will also attribute it to socialism/liberalism/Keynes as a whole, but women meddling in sh!t has played a large part.

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the guys who 50 years ago would have bagged HB 7.5's easily and married one without question now can't keep a girl beucase she keeps leaving. These women are moving up, sharing catches, dating interracial, moving across the country, not needing a man to support them
WTF, you're telling me all the females are leaving their white dudes to run off with brothers? I grew up in the middle class white bracket and I've never seen this happen once in my life. I'm sure it does, but it's such a small percentage as to be statistically negligible.

To be honest the white male has certainly lost economic and status prestige, but there is still a subtle social bias with most good looking white women I have run across. They won't say it in public but they'll tell you over pillow talk that they'd never date a black dude. Personally I obviously think that bias is silly, and unjustifiable, but I don't make the rules. And I definitely respect brothers that can pull whoever because their game is tight enough. But to attribute the subject of this thread to a race issue is beyond ridiculous man.

Also, Roosh ain't white.
 

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The movement is a joke plain and simple
Heh, that's probably what they were saying about feminism.

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the only solution is self-improvment
Agreed...but I'd say the MAIN solution is self-improvement. Striving to improve the world and model it for our benefit has been a driving motivator of men since the beginning of time. I'm not an MRA pundit, but I see why they're doing what they are, and I respect anyone with the conviction to try and do *something* on a larger scale.
 

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AW you have taken my entire post and drawn one conclusion and that's not the case at all.

my son is playing around on ms paint and this gave me an idea lol

(braeks out ****ty ms paint skills)


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the above is the dating scene in america let's say, 1960. your maroon women are your women that everyone finds attractive, let's say, HB8 and above. The entire screen repreents the country let's say.

in 1960, the marron circles can't get closer to the blue circles, they don't know that the blue circles exist where they are and even if they did it wouldn't matter it is of no concequence to them. there is no twitter or facebook to chat with the blue circle online 200 miles away there is no way to make friends with guys that you can't see everyday.

thus, the red circles, the avg white men, are more viable options. Because the blue cirlces for most women, can't be obatained becuase of status or lack of access to or whatever, they settle for the red circles.

take a look at the bottom left. I did that for a very specific reason. there you have a hot maroon circle and she is from hicktown USA nad this is 1960 and she's an absolute dime, classy, very hot, but there are not even decent men around that she finds attractive. she's just fvcked.

http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy99/ghostzapper/2-3.png


this is the dating scene in 2012 above. Same color scheme. A few things have happened. Beucase of the event of social media and iphones and the internet and general, the world is a smaller place, you have access to a larger circle. so not only do you have generally more friends/associates than youw ould hae had 50 years ago, you have access to people from places that you otherwise would not have had access to. Thus there are more maroon and more blue cirlces. there are more hot women and there are more hot men


beucase interracial dating is now accepted, there are more blue cirlces as well as guys would not have been deemed worth 50 years ago are now. you made that to be my entre post but that wasn't 10% of what i was trying to say; it's just one of 50 more new options for hot women.

You also have the red circles as well.

now beucase we know that women will rather share a catch than to have a loser to himself you have the blue circles gobbling up 1-2-3 maroon circles and thus leaving the red circles out in the cold.

see, the red circle wants to go back to the first chart. it has some to do with race but that's not my point; my point was that it effects white males mroe than any beucase in thef irst chart, the avg white male had it made. he had to put in min effort and beucase of the way our society was setup, got max results. in the 2nd chart the avg white male gets the short end of the stick with the commercialization of travel, the internet boom, equal pay wages, the raise up in minorities in society as well as the abilkty to date outside of your race and it be socially accepted ,maroon circles can move, they have access to a larger variety of blue circles. that's all i am saying.

I'm not in the least bit trying to race bait and if i did not care about the well being of guys in general I would not be here, but sometimes the truth isn't necessarily politically correct.

the best way to fix the problem is to become a blue circle of any kind.
 
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I am a men's rights activist. I talk about the state of dating, and laws, and general red pill wisdom with other people that I meet.

Sometimes, I even talk about it online. If roosh thinks I'm a loser because of that, he can go suck on his own diick.

If he thinks I don't do enough activism, he can keep stretching and stick his tongue up his ashole while he's down there.

What we need is culture change. For that we need to insist that open minded people consider our opinions, from there it will spread and it has been spreading. Occasionally I run into like minded people. Its great. Like any good grassroots effort, it will swell organically. Until then, I will run my life according to my principles and speak my mind to those who will listen.

I'm not going to march on washington and burn my tighty whiteys, but I am still an activist. Anyone that has the fortitude to speak openly about these issues is an activist. Roosh is an activist. I respect his opinion and read his work, but I urge him to not further war between game and activism. They are not mutually exclusive.
 

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Nice. From a conversation and discussion on the state of the Men's Rights movement to a racial debate. Awesome. Good job guys.
 

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Occasionally I run into like minded people. Its great. Like any good grassroots effort, it will swell organically. Until then, I will run my life according to my principles and speak my mind to those who will listen.
This. I've gotten into some pretty long conversations with clueless dudes, some of them friends, some neighbors, some strangers, and other random blue-pillers. When this subject comes up it's great to see their eyes widen in understanding and the dusty, dilapidated light bulb above their head start to glow as you start breaking down what's going on in our current socio/gender climate. I've had guys tell me "you should write books about this!" and I laugh and tell them it's all already online if you look for it.

Also though, I believe some of the guys who know me listen more intently because they've seen I can pull hb's. I was doing it long before I discovered Game, but Game made it easier to explain to these guys what they're doing...correction...how they're *living*, wrong.

Just yesterday I met up with a friend who I haven't seen in a while. Months ago, the last time I saw him, he was telling me all about this girl he was into who had given him slight interest. I gave him some general game pointers which he implemented, and low and behold he banged her. Now I can tell he respects what I have to say about things. Progress!

Back to yesterday though, he tells me all about what happened within the confines of their brief tryst. She basically sounds like a psycho and unfortunately my friend is max AFC. As he was describing her actions I told him to look up BPD sometime. He whips out his smartphone, starts reading, and again I see the lightbulb start glowing. He went from distraught, confused and angry, to peaceful and even smiling about it as understanding set in. More progress.

I think the Ron Paul comparison is apt. Went I found out about him, no one I knew was aware he existed. Now everyone knows, 99% by word of mouth (thanks for nothing mainstream media).

This sh!t is viral. You can't force it on anyone but when an AFC's going through hell and you can break down for him why and how to overcome it, that is when change occurs. One red pill at a time...


Warrior74 said:
Nice. From a conversation and discussion on the state of the Men's Rights movement to a racial debate. Awesome. Good job guys.
Aw don't be such a PC wienie. ;) BB ain't mad and neither am I. I think we both made valid points.
 

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AlphaWhiskey said:
This. I've gotten into some pretty long conversations with clueless dudes, some of them friends, some neighbors, some strangers, and other random blue-pillers. When this subject comes up it's great to see their eyes widen in understanding and the dusty, dilapidated light bulb above their head start to glow as you start breaking down what's going on in our current socio/gender climate. I've had guys tell me "you should write books about this!" and I laugh and tell them it's all already online if you look for it.

Also though, I believe some of the guys who know me listen more intently because they've seen I can pull hb's. I was doing it long before I discovered Game, but Game made it easier to explain to these guys what they're doing...correction...how they're *living*, wrong.

Just yesterday I met up with a friend who I haven't seen in a while. Months ago, the last time I saw him, he was telling me all about this girl he was into who had given him slight interest. I gave him some general game pointers which he implemented, and low and behold he banged her. Now I can tell he respects what I have to say about things. Progress!

Back to yesterday though, he tells me all about what happened within the confines of their brief tryst. She basically sounds like a psycho and unfortunately my friend is max AFC. As he was describing her actions I told him to look up BPD sometime. He whips out his smartphone, starts reading, and again I see the lightbulb start glowing. He went from distraught, confused and angry, to peaceful and even smiling about it as understanding set in. More progress.

I think the Ron Paul comparison is apt. Went I found out about him, no one I knew was aware he existed. Now everyone knows, 99% by word of mouth (thanks for nothing mainstream media).

This sh!t is viral. You can't force it on anyone but when an AFC's going through hell and you can break down for him why and how to overcome it, that is when change occurs. One red pill at a time...




Aw don't be such a PC wienie. ;) BB ain't mad and neither am I. I think we both made valid points.

I'll try to put my big boy pants on. ;)

Anyway the part in bold. When you have some game, success, value or status...some reason for men to actually listen to you, your words will carry more weight than say....my one chronically single and lonely buddy who rants about women and feminism and stinks of loneliness and desperation so much that people avoid him.
 

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Danger said:
Roosh = Man who wants to get laid and run from everything. You both have everything in common so I am not surprised you would agree with him. Roast marshmallows while the house burns.
Difference is I don't have to leave the country to get laid ;)

And the "house" may be "burning" for shmucks who bought into the beta-male husband/provider system. I never did, so my house is doing just fine. Just because it's bad for you doesn't mean it's bad for me. We're not all in the same boat just because we happen to be male.

Sounds like the black male population largely didn't buy into the system either. I think that's because they were actually raised by more alpha-type fathers. Most of the black guys I've known haven't had much trouble understanding how the world works and have spent time trying to make it work for them rather than wringing their hands about it.

If you personally got screwed by the system, don't blame the system. Somebody didn't educate you about it or prepare you to handle it. Blame them. OR if you really think the system needs changing, then work your ass off to change it. I'm all for men's rights, but villainizing women ain't the way to get them.
 

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backbreaker said:
I don't plan on posting here but i do read this forum still from time to time and this post jumped at me as one I felt obligated to respond to...
So much for the silence. The troll mascot of SS is back. Welcome back BB. I hope you mention my name too in your usual "Credits" post when you lie about leaving for good next time. Next time you cry and whine for attention, people won't bother though. They are getting to know the real you. Man can't even hold his own promise for a week, and preaches life lessons.

PS: Cordon: You lost the bet.
 

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Zarky said:
Sounds like the black male population largely didn't buy into the system either. I think that's because they were actually raised by more alpha-type fathers. Most of the black guys I've known haven't had much trouble understanding how the world works and have spent time trying to make it work for them rather than wringing their hands about it.
Ah yes, that explains the immense success of the black male population, as a general group. They must really understand how the world works. God forbid what state they would be in, if it weren't for this deep understanding. Good point.

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OR if you really think the system needs changing, then work your ass off to change it. I'm all for men's rights, but villainizing women ain't the way to get them.
I don't understand. How is talking about a problem among fellow men and publicizing it NOT a good example of real activism? Claiming that you don't care about any of this; yet constantly bashing people who want to brainstorm on the subject suggests that you are more of a whiny "Mr. You're Wrong" than a real critique.
 
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