the lose lose scenario

joekerr31

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guys,

something i think a lot more guys need to recognize is the lose lose scenario.

so many guys on here just DO NOT believe that scenario is ever lose lose.

this is what leads men to desperate measures, such as throwing away their dignity.

a relationship is 50/50, and there is no way around that. no amount of tricks will give you 100% control over a woman.

now that said, women will routinely put you in a lose lose situation. they do this in order to gain control over you OR because they are purely selfish and are unable to contribute to a relationship in a fair give and take fashion.

i write this post becuase so many guys are in this "dont know what to do" state. the reason you don't know what to do is becuase you are in a lose lose scenario most likely.

really, all it takes to be a hugely successful DJ is to know when you are in a lose lose, cut loose, and go in search of a win win.

so how do you know if you are in a lose lose? if you are being honest, open, forthright, caring, etc., and aren't getting all of that back in return, you are in a lose lose. whether it takes 2 months, 6 months, or 10 years, you will see this eventually.

how do you make it a win win? you walk away and find yourself a woman who will give you the things you want.

now, why do women create these lose lose scenarios? for the same reason men put up with them. fear of being alone.

yes, it illogical, but women see men as these brutish beasts who just want to screw all the time. and how do you tame a brutish beast? simple behavioral conditioning. when they dont behave the way you want, you punish them, when they behave the way you want you reward them. this is all there is to the female psyche for the most part.

so YOUR job as a man is to make it very very clear to her that if she wants YOU to behaving in a certain way then SHE has to behave in a certain way.

but you can't do that if you aren't prepared to walk away. and you won't be able to walk away if you don't realize that you are in a lose lose sometimes. the harder you try to "win" the more you give her exactly what she wants, which is control over you. the more this happens, the less she respects you as a man.

so when a woman puts you in a lose lose, break away. let her tactics backfire on her and let her always wonder if she let the PRIZE get away. she tried to collar you and snapped the chain with your teeth - good for you.

remember something guys, if you're dealing with a mature woman, say over 25, there's probaby a reason shes single. and that reason is usually that her life has been filled with afcs who will do anything to bang her. she's filled her life with lose lose relationships, often particpating in them until she has lost all respect for the man.

let her know from the start that if she wants a win win you have certain expecations. and if she starts to pull the lose lose sh*t out, walk away.

you'll eventually find a girl who wants a win win. and the ones that you walked away from, will always think back in life and wonder what they missed out on.

J
 

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I can see the frame control aspect in this advice. YOU set the frame of Win Win before the relationship even starts, or else you just have to pull out her own trick and walk away. That way you don't waste your time and you have more time to actually find a better women.

One thing I have learned about alot of women is that they will NEVER, ever, state their intention in a relationship. I know to some of you this might sound like a Duh question but it is important to note this. Women are not innocent and they do have their agendas that work for or against you. Dog-eat-Dog. By controlling the frame, and encouraging the Win Win, you can READ her behavior according to the frame.

But for this to work you have to setup the frame in her mind, first. Make it known to her that you are looking for the Win Win. What I mean by "looking for the Win Win" is, DO NOT TAKE ANY BULL, when not necessary. After you have this down, you must SHOW HER, through your actions AND your words, how the relationship is going to be. These are called the 'Ground Rules'. If she violates these rules once, she is reprimanded. The second time, she is gone.

I say "show her" because the human brain is like a sponge... It absorbs what it comes in contact with. It is so much easier for a person to understand your ideas when you show them in action. But of course, in a relationship this can be difficult, because she has to KNOW why you are behaving like that towards her. Else if you come off AFC somehow, that's all she will see, the AFC. This 'frame matching' is vital and it's actually what many dating services use to find compatible partners. The more the two frames of mind match the more likely they are to have MORE IN COMMON with each other, liking the same things, laughing at the same jokes, etcetera.

If you are unable to control the frame you have a few options. Match it, or Adapt to it (give in). Obviously we are looking for the Win Win so there is no giving in option available for us. We can either Match (find the Win Win) or Control (Teach the Win Win).

I'm sorry for writing this at a high-level but I am in my programming state of mind and it's easier to just piece together concepts then to flesh out some details also. I have had two, yes two, relationships where I have used frame control. One lasted 2 years, the other lasted 3 months.

Age plays a factor in frame control also. For example, a woman who views you as subservient or dispicible (No respect) will not accept your frame of mind. That's why you must BE A MAN. BE A MAN and WALK AWAY, or BE A MAN and PONY UP. Whatever the situation requires. You must BE the respectable person she can relate and look up to. Money is a small factor here, but if she is super rich I doubt anyone on this site has a chance :p.

All in all, I can sum it up like this:
BE A MAN, BE A LEADER, and show her how to live. I think any woman would appreciate a man who showed her a life she didn't know.
 

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great thread.

I like the leader part -especially when the true leader leads themself first!
 
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