Credit to Burroughs for this post.
Warren Buffet said "first come the innovators, then the imitators, then the idiots." That's what happened here.
The movement itself dates back to 1970, with Eric Weber's "How To Pick Up Girls." He sold a ton of books by mail order, and they did a Movie Of The Week about it, so a generation of men saw a way to make money and get laid. We didn't do much about that until much later.
In the 1980s, it was pretty clear the nice guys weren't getting laid, and books like "Nice Guys Sleep Alove" furthered the cause of the PUA. Enter the internet, in the mid-1990s, and love-advice boards on Prodigy and AOL, where the PUA viewpoint was censored as misogynist. You could lose your account for "offending women,"
With all these great methods out there, and so many men desperate for knowledge, the internet marketers swarmed in and began selling the same information that was available free, while moving from USNET to commercial websites where no one knew the true history, or knew where to find the original info.
Neil Strauss's "The Game" was the second book from this community ("Layguide" was the first). Before that, publishers didn't see a market for the male point of view, but that changed. Then the reality show came and everyone thought this stuff began in 2005 when really it was 1998.
As with card-counting in blackjack, it couldn't last. The women got wise, too many men started using the methods, thanks to the media, and too many copycat "gurus" without a clue began cashing in on the wave. Eventually, the men realized that it was mostly outdated or just bad to begin with, so income has tapered off, but there are always new suckers, especially in August, when they have college, anxiety about women, and a big student aid check for them to pilfer.
The PUA community is a good study in collective ignorance, and how people fight yesterday's war. It shows many of the flaws that exist in other words, like politics and media. With all the low-hanging fruit gone, today's guys have it very difficult, and women are creating even more of a backlash, saying PUA borders on rape. Kickstarter even banned funding for PUA books.
Think of the PUAs like Haliburton: laughing all the way to the bank while others hate on them.
The real backlash against the movement is from women who want to be able to pretend these methods don't work, since now they can't say they were fooled. They say that "no means no" yet won't unblur the lines and tell men what does work, because women don't want to admit that it's looks, money, and status. :crackup:
If you want to mock a few straw men by isolating a website or two, you miss the message. The PUA movement is giving way to the MGTOW movement, where men say that fine.. if PUA doesn't work, they give up. Now women are panicking over this because those men are no longer wasting money on the rigged carnival game.
In the end, MGTOW is impossible to fight, because, unlike PUA, women can't stop a man from not spending on them the way they can rebuff a PUA.
If all men remove the pedestal and use women strictly for sex.. there isn't much women can do about it. At best, they can step up their seduction game and starting treating men right. At worst, they will b!tch and moan (like they do now).. which only pushes men further away emotionally.
Warren Buffet said "first come the innovators, then the imitators, then the idiots." That's what happened here.
The movement itself dates back to 1970, with Eric Weber's "How To Pick Up Girls." He sold a ton of books by mail order, and they did a Movie Of The Week about it, so a generation of men saw a way to make money and get laid. We didn't do much about that until much later.
In the 1980s, it was pretty clear the nice guys weren't getting laid, and books like "Nice Guys Sleep Alove" furthered the cause of the PUA. Enter the internet, in the mid-1990s, and love-advice boards on Prodigy and AOL, where the PUA viewpoint was censored as misogynist. You could lose your account for "offending women,"
With all these great methods out there, and so many men desperate for knowledge, the internet marketers swarmed in and began selling the same information that was available free, while moving from USNET to commercial websites where no one knew the true history, or knew where to find the original info.
Neil Strauss's "The Game" was the second book from this community ("Layguide" was the first). Before that, publishers didn't see a market for the male point of view, but that changed. Then the reality show came and everyone thought this stuff began in 2005 when really it was 1998.
As with card-counting in blackjack, it couldn't last. The women got wise, too many men started using the methods, thanks to the media, and too many copycat "gurus" without a clue began cashing in on the wave. Eventually, the men realized that it was mostly outdated or just bad to begin with, so income has tapered off, but there are always new suckers, especially in August, when they have college, anxiety about women, and a big student aid check for them to pilfer.
The PUA community is a good study in collective ignorance, and how people fight yesterday's war. It shows many of the flaws that exist in other words, like politics and media. With all the low-hanging fruit gone, today's guys have it very difficult, and women are creating even more of a backlash, saying PUA borders on rape. Kickstarter even banned funding for PUA books.
Think of the PUAs like Haliburton: laughing all the way to the bank while others hate on them.
The real backlash against the movement is from women who want to be able to pretend these methods don't work, since now they can't say they were fooled. They say that "no means no" yet won't unblur the lines and tell men what does work, because women don't want to admit that it's looks, money, and status. :crackup:
If you want to mock a few straw men by isolating a website or two, you miss the message. The PUA movement is giving way to the MGTOW movement, where men say that fine.. if PUA doesn't work, they give up. Now women are panicking over this because those men are no longer wasting money on the rigged carnival game.
In the end, MGTOW is impossible to fight, because, unlike PUA, women can't stop a man from not spending on them the way they can rebuff a PUA.
If all men remove the pedestal and use women strictly for sex.. there isn't much women can do about it. At best, they can step up their seduction game and starting treating men right. At worst, they will b!tch and moan (like they do now).. which only pushes men further away emotionally.
