The future of the internet seduction community

[Ice Cold]

I just want to gather some opinions about this.

As we all know, guides to seducing women have become very popular all over the net. It's a separate industry now which seems to be making a good profit.

There are different methods: MM, SS, Gunwitch's and lots of other different people who are trying to rip off money from the guys.

They are interested in attracting people and therefore advertize themselves shamelessly. This is happening not only in US/Canada, but in europe too. In russia there are 100 bucks courses what bring you into the field and teach you some SS. It's on TV and the agencies have cars with the websites' addresses listed on them.

The sad thing, is that by attracting lots of people the authors of the seduction methods devalue their methods. For example, all of the listed patterns on the net are practically useless today. The roller coaster pattern could've worked in 1985, but not today. With repeated posting of her all over the net and magazines, the chance that the target knows it is too great.

I guess it all comes back to being "alpha", developing your own methods/tactics/patterns and not posting them on the net, so that they're unique to you...

I think in a few years these tactics are gonna be common knowledge.

Cheers

 

[victor von doom]

Originally posted by Ice Cold


I think in a few years these tactics are gonna be common knowledge.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. Most people who surf the net think site like this one and others of their ilk (especially the NLP/SS sites) are stocked with no-pvssy getting losers.

They may have a point. But the point is that the negative stigma attached to people like Ross Jeffries will never allow these "tactics" to become common knowledge.

 

[Hot Ice]

I think you are a little exaggerating, but I see your point yes.

The fact is that even there is a way to get better in our hands, still most of people are too lazy to do anything for it. Think about bulking up for example: Everybody just thinks ooooh I would want those muscles and look like athlete. The fact is over 50% of American people are over-weighted. They COULD be slim and look really good, but people are just lazy.
People usually don't see that THEY are lacking something.
They are just blaming others instead.

See my point?

I don't think seduction will ever be common knowledge.
It takes effort. And most people settle for too little.


Well, as you said being alpha and creating your OWN style and tactics is vital!
Using patterns/tecniques/etc. that really doesn't fit your style and your personality is like using cheesy pickup lines.

 

[Deep Dish]

Ice Cold,

The “how-to” “seduce” women is nothing new. You once replied to my “Women are simple” thread saying that my bringing up of history was irrelevant, but it was entirely relevant. Centuries ago there were “master seducers” and probably “master seducers” who sold their “material” to guys no differently than now. History is a cycle. There is “nothing new under the sun.”

Techniques, methods, do not “get” women. Technique is not the reason why you get a particular woman. Techniques do not affect women on some subliminal level, creating attraction, emotion, whatever; that is simply hocus pocus. Techniques simply on the conscious level say “I want you” (and thus nothing to hide).

Women know your game. Women know when a guy is trying to “seduce her”; she knows when a technique is being thrown down on her; there is no mystery. Women know by the very fact that a guy is talking to her that he wants to bang her. When you kino some chick, she’s thinking “Okay, this guy wants sex.” When a guy throws down the “boyfriend destroyer” pattern, women know the guy’s intent, it can hardly be any more obvious.

And not that any of this should be of worrisome concern. You want women to know you want to bang them. Talking to a woman while looking straight into her eyes, with that certain "that look" in your eyes and smile, sends a shock through her system -- of course that is when they are interested -- doing more in a few seconds than... well, anything else. It’s certainly not subtle, nor complicated, and that's the point. There's nothing complicated about the whole thing, no methods to be devalued, nothing that needs nor can be kept from "common knowledge". In fact, women throw down on me all the same game I know.

In the end, it's all between you and yourself.

 

[Ice Cold]

Originally posted by Deep Dish
The “how-to” “seduce” women is nothing new. You once replied to my “Women are simple” thread saying that my bringing up of history was irrelevant, but it was entirely relevant. Centuries ago there were “master seducers” and probably “master seducers” who sold their “material” to guys no differently than now. History is a cycle. There is “nothing new under the sun.”

Sorry if I offended you then, I'll look it up...

It's partially true, but "seduction" as we know it now is only possible with lots of people to choose from. Majority of the people lived in small villages which are less than 5 k population. Can't seduce much there, can you?

Also, the mating rituals were much simpler then. Intermarrital sex was a given and accepted for lower classes. Nobody was expected to "seduce" a milkmaid or some other lower class girl. You just take fukk her as a side benefit, while staying over in her father's tavern.

"Seduction" was avaliable to only nobility, who liked playing head games. There wasn't many of them, and the lessons were paid for. It wasn't shouted about on the streets. Average person didn't have access to it, that's why it remained under the cover.

If you type "seduction" or "relationships" into a search engine, you'll get hundeds of sites like this one offering SS NLP MM etc

About the "under the sun" argument:

If you don't apply behavioral psychology to your game, then yes, there's nothing new. If you do on the other hand...

Techniques, methods, do not “get” women. Technique is not the reason why you get a particular woman. Techniques do not affect women on some subliminal level, creating attraction, emotion, whatever; that is simply hocus pocus. Techniques simply on the conscious level say “I want you” (and thus nothing to hide).

Women know your game. Women know when a guy is trying to “seduce her”; she knows when a technique is being thrown down on her; there is no mystery. Women know by the very fact that a guy is talking to her that he wants to bang her. When you kino some chick, she’s thinking “Okay, this guy wants sex.” When a guy throws down the “boyfriend destroyer” pattern, women know the guy’s intent, it can hardly be any more obvious.

And not that any of this should be of worrisome concern. You want women to know you want to bang them. Talking to a woman while looking straight into her eyes, with that certain "that look" in your eyes and smile, sends a shock through her system -- of course that is when they are interested -- doing more in a few seconds than... well, anything else. It’s certainly not subtle, nor complicated, and that's the point. There's nothing complicated about the whole thing, no methods to be devalued, nothing that needs nor can be kept from "common knowledge". In fact, women throw down on me all the same game I know.

In the end, it's all between you and yourself. [/B]

You have a primitive concept of the game man. If your game consist of only conveying interest in her and getting her to understand that "this guy wants me", then it sux. There's more to it.

Hot Ice: We don't need everyone to become DJs. It's only enough to read about it for a day or two, and you could spot the aspiring RAFCs who are out there in the field and getting practice.

VVD: Yeah, but once they read a few patterns, they'd be able to spot them if you're using them.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

Thats why you should always be improving yourself, instead of trying to find "quick laid" methods. I always avoid stuff that promises you "tricks" on getting women, simply because tricks are always going to be just tricks.


Its like corporations today....a lot of American corporations tend to use "tricks" too much to profit, but lose in the long term. However some corporations with long-term focus (ie. Sony, HP) never collapse, because they're constantly improving themselves every day.

"Tricks and techniques can be copied, but quality can't!"

 

[MVPlaya]

Knowing is one thing, applying another.

Sure, some women may recognize a pattern here or there, but if you make your own material and you follow the intro, main body 1,2,3, close then you still get what you wanted. The thing with most these patterns is that they're pretty silly when you think about it, you could make your own material and field test it, I'm sure Gunwitch and Mystery don't stick to the same routines all the time. Furthermore, look at the amount of guys on this site who get 0 tail, yet they understand the basics as well as any of us. Nonetheless, they can't convey it. They don't know how and when to smile, when to neg, how to walk, how to talk, and all the other things that are so key. Also, there are so many games people play and all the time we see these games yet they still work on us, just because some chick might figure out a game doesn't mean it won't work on her. Ever been caught in a lie with a chick and still get her #? See. Just because they catch one thing doesn't mean you lose. Au contraire, keep it up and you'll be smooth surfing while your competition, using the same material, is biting the dust.

Cheers.

 

[( . )( . )]

Originally posted by Ice Cold

There are different methods: MM, SS, Gunwitch's and lots of other different people who are trying to rip off money from the guys.

as far as i know gunwitch has never charged for his advice.



anyway,i just stick to the basics (and a few extras thrown in here and there) and im golden.

the latest routine isnt the "basics" btw.

 

[Ice Cold]

Re: Re: The future of the internet seduction community

Originally posted by ( . )( . )
as far as i know gunwitch has never charged for his advice.

I concur.

 

[High Voltage]

It Doesn't Matter

As said before, girls know what we are up to guys. They aren't stupid. You can't "trick her" into sex. If you are fun to be around and not afraid to express your sexual desire then thats all you really need.

I have female friends. They know the game, all about jealousy, neg-hits, mental games, you name it. I'm not saying that these things don't help your cause, but that the chicks know about it. However, even though she may think "He's trying to make me jealous" doesn't mean that she is not affected by it!

Guides for seduction are everywhere. We have ours and girls have theirs. So what if it is widespread? I don't care! Yes I've read the "how to get your guy to love you" tips in Cosmo for fun but honestly I NEVER think about if a girl is using those things on me. If she is fun to be around that is all I really care about, and I'm sure girls think the same way.

A few more points:

* I don't have the time or interest to read all about how girls get guys so why would they read our stuff?

* When out with a girl I don't care what "technique" she is using on me - I'm focused on having a good time

* Finally, it is in the best interest for people SELLING seduction techniques that you are not successful and always need to come back for more (and pay more). So it is not like all the techniques out there will be all that great.

Just my perspective.

- HV

 

[Microphone Fiend]

The people who create their methods are commercialzing it because it brought them success and they can bring others success (and lets face it they can make money too) If you had a new idea which yielded high %'s woud it seem right to share it with anyone? Should you be selfish and keep it to yourself? How bout just telling your family? Your internet community, or the people that need it.

Look at it this way. The more people that become well versed in this, the less bullsh!T girls will get away with.

I guess it all comes back to being "alpha", developing your own methods/tactics/patterns and not posting them on the net, so that they're unique to you...

Yep, the strong survive, the imposter will not. Just turn being alpha into a way of life, as opposed to something you turn on and off and you won't need patterns or mehtods because you will derive your own

 

[squirrels]

How many issues of "Cosmo" and "Seventeen" have come out with "50 tips for driving your man crazy"?

Now how many of them have you read?

My point is that women don't spend a lot of time reading literature about seducing women. Chances are probably like 1 in 1000 that the woman you're hitting on has more than a BASIC understanding of what you're trying to do.

Besides, everyone seems to look at romance like a war, with men vs women. The men are trying to get laid and the women are trying to f**k with men's minds. Something tells me this perception is not 100% accurate.