The "Emo"/"Wimpster" phenomen

[ForbesLtd]

I realized some (not many, but some hot) chicks tend to fall for the sensitive sissy - the one labelled as "Wimpster" or "Emo" (I guess you know what I mean).

I think, these "men" are as pathetic as it gets. How do they manage to get hot chicks? I really saw some couples HB+Emo-Kid during the last months.

What do they have in order to attract hot women?
What sort of secret "quality" is it, that makes (some of) these poor, pathetic losers so successful?

Any idea?

And - no, i'm not jealous. I'd go and instantly kill myself if I would be jealous of these wimps, really.

 

[smoke city]

having been at one point or another an "emo sissy," and getting laid a lot in the process, i can say that many of these guys fit the archetype of the "brooding, self-absorbed artist" (which is, i guess, what i had going on) and this is VERY attractive to a lot of women -- the brooding artist is the "thinking woman's bad boy".

 

[ForbesLtd]

Originally posted by smoke city
the brooding artist is the "thinking woman's bad boy".

Well in what way is he bad?

 

[organizedconfusion]

Originally posted by smoke city
having been at one point or another an "emo sissy," and getting laid a lot in the process, i can say that many of these guys fit the archetype of the "brooding, self-absorbed artist" (which is, i guess, what i had going on) and this is VERY attractive to a lot of women -- the brooding artist is the "thinking woman's bad boy".

thats awesome!
finally someone gets it...
the sensitive ,disturbed ,wounded,emotionally distraught
seductive artist/poet type.

my friend whom i will refer to only as the Crapster
was the biggest scrub in the world,he stunk had
raggety hair , had tattoos all over his body that HE did
himself,was a drug addict, was a freakin' p**sy in terms of
fighting, he was soooo stoned out of his mind all the time
that he spoke in a low mumbly tone and you could NEVER
understand what the hell he was saying-
he was very poetic and was also an artist.
he had a certain "smoothness" to his character
like Snoop Dog that it made him irresistable to girls
yet frightingly distubing enough to keep them guessing and
on their toes...

..the girls LOVED HIM and to this day is still one of the most
natural DJ that i know.
i've actually SEEN girls literally pull his clothes off and rape him!
i was ready to jump into a shower stall with him and two
fine ass girls at a party (woah there -it's not like that sparky!)
before one of my freinds was hating and tried to join in also.
and screwed it all for all of us!


this guy would throw house parties and walk around
only in jeans smelling like arm pitt and sweat and
girls would go freaking bonkers over him.

the sad part is that it wasn't an act...
he was really a messed up guy and he was dying inside,
he might have gotten girls but i really doubt he
even cared that he did.


we would get high and he'd talk about his dad ,trying to
kill himself and all sorts of crazy s***
i could see the vulnerability as well as anger inside
of him and could understand how it could trigger a womans
natural instinct to nurture and mother him -
both in a sexual & loving way.
but since i ain't a woman i'd usually sock him in the
gut and offer him a beer or a couples lines of coke...
he snapped out of it!


the other sad part is that me and all of my friends
also fit this self-destructive type also for a long time...
getting girls was really only a side effect.







well he finally settled down with a red headed bombshell (HB10) and now has a 3 year old...

 

[organizedconfusion]

Originally posted by ForbesLtd
Well in what way is he bad?

introverted,self-absorbed,angry,indifferent to females,
really not caring in general ,maybe self-destructive

and it's NOT because he wants to get girls

you have to understand that some people
are really f*** up and thats just how the deal.
not everything concerns meeting/laying woman


only posers do it for chicks or just shock appeal ie;
wanna-be "punk"

imagine if Seth Cohen also had Ryan's bad boy
persona and you get the best example of bad boy/emo-geek.
(from the TV show the O.C.)

 

[ER!C L!VE]

Damn. That's disturbing to me.

I've seen similar character traits in a few of my guy friends during high school and college. At least two of the guys I knew who were like that burned out quickly and became losers.

It's nice to finally understand the whole emo scene. Thanks!

Eric

 

[organizedconfusion]

Originally posted by ER!C L!VE
Damn. That's disturbing to me.

I've seen similar character traits in a few of my guy friends during high school and college. At least two of the guys I knew who were like that burned out quickly and became losers.

It's nice to finally understand the whole emo scene. Thanks!

Eric

it is disturbing- i myself has had some of those traits
engraved into my self-image and it's as destructive
as being an AFC (eventhough it does grant you more
access to girls, you're soo screwed up it really dosen't even matter,plus alot of the girls are as messed up if not more
messed up then you are! clingly,needy,overbearing)

personally i was on more on the abusive/a$$hole overbearing
and aggressive scale(along the lines of a Russel Crowe) then emo queer..
but i am trying to better myself so it's all good

 

[seanchai]

There are probably cool guys in every subculture in America. If you didn't know better, you might think guys who talk about picking up women on the Internet would be megadorks, but some of you guys are pretty cool. So they're cool, normal guys who choose to identify with that subculture, and as a result they get women.

I personally despise emo music.

 

[Mr. Cardio]

This post backs up my point I made a couple days ago, its not the don juan tactics or personalities or SS crap that attracts women, because if it WAS, then fat, out of shape, losers in life, none convo having, over emotional, sensitive males would have no chance. Its all about being a man, embracing your testereone and living in your testereone, all the other stuff is useless. I have been trying to preach this to you guys for a while, but you can lead a horse to water, but even if you kick him in the azz, he still might not drink it.

 

[ForbesLtd]

Originally posted by Mr. Cardio
This post backs up my point I made a couple days ago, its not the don juan tactics or personalities or SS crap that attracts women, because if it WAS, then fat, out of shape, losers in life, none convo having, over emotional, sensitive males would have no chance. Its all about being a man, embracing your testereone and living in your testereone, all the other stuff is useless. I have been trying to preach this to you guys for a while, but you can lead a horse to water, but even if you kick him in the azz, he still might not drink it.

What the bloody hell do you have with your testosterone-thingy?
Go get some hormon pills if it makes you feel better, dude

For sure, what wimpsters and emo-kids do NOT have or exude or whatsoever is testosterone cause T would make them aggressive not whiny (if it WOULD make them whiny, you'd be the most masculine guy with the highest testosterone level in the WORLD! hahahahaha

 

[WhAcKeD!]

Emo is a trend, a fad, a fashion that a bunch of posers follow in order to feel like they belong somewhere. Give it a year or two or less and it will be gone, for the sake and humanity of what defines a man, let's all hope.

 

[tmpgstx]

The quality of the girls these guys 'attract' can't be all that good. If they're selfish and have little self-respect, the girls attracted to them will often be the same.

Mr. Cardio - you said it dawg. It's all about male to femaleness and vice versa. These girls would find this type of guy attractive (because they're attracted to him physically in some way) even if he were dressed all preppy and business-like all the time. The only difference would be is that they would not go for him, because they feel more on the level of haphazardry - meaning roller-coaster city.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

You're pigeon-holing the 'Emo' thing as a specific type, when it's really just a manifestation of an archetype. In the late 70s and into the 80s you could make comparissons to David Bowie or Jim Morisson (before they were famous) or the Glam Rock phase. You can even compare them to the pensive, Kurt Cobain style Grunge Rock 'artists', Emo guys are just the next check on the bill and in fact I'd say their time is just about up as the Indie-Rocker phase is pushing them to the side these days.

But to answer your question, just break it down into understandable dynamics. Why does this type of guy attract women? First of all, only exceptional guys of this archetype really attract women with any regularity. The sissy-boy, sensitive, Emo guy is only going to get so far if he is exceptional in some way and even then, only with women who have the capacity to appreciate his characteristics. By exceptional I mean they must posess some real demonstrable talents in order to play the tragic artist character. The fat kid with nothing to back up his 'emotional nature' (such as artistic merit) is simply an even bigger, whining, 'Baby Huey' dressed in mascara and painted nails and has little success in pulling off the sensitive thing when no one is listening to him in the first place.

For the guys that can back up the character; I can see why this would confuse the average guy wondering WTF is going on. These guys can pull tail and it seems to contradict (again) what women say they're "looking for" in a guy. Remember that it is a woman's behavior that is to be the benchmark of her intent, not her words.

So why then do they opt for guys like this? First of all, guys with this schema (and it is a role) tend to place themselves and their passion (or at least the perception of it) above anything else - and this includes women. Their passions are literally the 'other woman' to the women that are attracted to them. This establishes him in a position of power in that he presents the appearance of being so consumed with himself and his art that he becomes a challenge to her and this is what locks her into his intrigue. He sets the frame for her and she follows. In so doing this, he places her in a position of him needing her less than she does and she therefore chases him.

Secondly, guys of this type have a demonstrated value of creative intelligence with at least the potential for long term successes. Creative intelligence is sexy for women, this is why the starving artist gets laid more often and with more variety than does the rich business man. Emo Guy makes for a wonderful short term breeding schedule, but usually a lousy choice for a long term breeding schedule or parental investment. This is the same reason why women will fvck the pool boy, but marry the lawyer.

Lastly, it seems 'right' for certain women to want to nurture this 'artist' because it plays into the whole romantic, chick crack idealism that so many women want to believe can happen for them. They're making the world a better place by encouraging another male to explore his sensitivity and helping him to fully realize his feminine potential by mothering him and letting him fvck her in appreciation {sarcasm judiciously implied}.

My advice is to watch by patiently and stick to your masculine guns in this respect. The few women that will pass you up for this type of guy are few, very particular and rarely worth the effort in encouraging them see this dynamic at work. Hold out for the much more plentiful women that do respond to traditional masculinity. It's really only a matter of time until this type of woman tires of the sensitive guy after coming to terms with the inherent demasculation and general irresponsibility of this kind of male.

 

[Bill]

Sums up what I thought, emos (emoes?) are the new hippies. It's a fad, and it will go away.

Just don't bother with women who go for that kind of guy.
My $0.02.

-Bill

 

[DonJuanMonk]

It's because he's being real even though being Emo is homo.

 

[Aaron B]

Unless these "wimps" can consistently attract and date multiple women, I don't see how what they did to get one individual woman has any importance.

Nevermind the fact that the men are most likely "whipped" and the woman wears the pants. What good is that?

 

[jhs]

scene *****s attract scene *****s. be a part of the scene and adjust your DJ manuevers accordingly... or chase a girl who isn't a part of a scene. what is a scene girl going to do with a guy who has absolutely nothing to do with what shes about? you'd have to take her to bull**** concerts where little boys in girl pants would be on a higher level than your anonymous ass dressed up looking slique. besides in the end these girls get circulated around the good looking guys in the scene and thats that.

i'm sure some random girl somewhere is thinking "wow hes so confident and even wears nail polish & girl pants. i bet all the "big guys" make fun of him but he still does his thing, how special."

 

[seanchai]

Originally posted by jhs
scene *****s attract scene *****s. be a part of the scene and adjust your DJ manuevers accordingly... or chase a girl who isn't a part of a scene. what is a scene girl going to do with a guy who has absolutely nothing to do with what shes about? you'd have to take her to bull**** concerts where little boys in girl pants would be on a higher level than your anonymous ass dressed up looking slique. besides in the end these girls get circulated around the good looking guys in the scene and thats that.

i'm sure some random girl somewhere is thinking "wow hes so confident and even wears nail polish & girl pants. i bet all the "big guys" make fun of him but he still does his thing, how special."

I dated a girl who was really into this music - it was one of her favorite things. I hate it and she knew it, but she didn't care. She had a bunch of guy "friends" who were emo who wanted in her pants but she didn't feel the same way for them. It's not about having things in common with girls, it's about being a man. If you're a cool guy, it doesn't matter what you're in to.

 

[jhs]

you dated a girl really into music....but there is a difference between someone genuinely interested in their interests and someone playing up the pinup model of the "scene". from what you've said your friend wasn't necessarily a scene *****, just had friends like that. i grew up listening to house/techno & jungle. but i haven't been to a rave in ages, nor have i hooked up with random raver trash. chances are i wouldn't do it if i had the opportunity cause its just not my thing. im really into music too..and i'm a cool guy, however that doesn't explain why loser emo guys get hot skinny girls now does it?

my answer was more directed at the original post as to why an attractive girl would go for what you'd consider a loser/*****/*****boy/etc when the de facto is that women want "men".

 

[Lost In Translation]

Rollo Tomassi
So why then do they opt for guys like this? First of all, guys with this schema (and it is a role)

it is a role

lost children trying to find an indentity

no culture in western countries ( especially Australia )

it is a fad and as with all fads it will pass

women in 2005 have the attention span of emu

they get bored easy


Lost In Translation

**AUSTRALIAN STREET PIMP**