The downfalls of growing up in a well stabled family

[JonnyD123]

-Upper middle class,
-parents married 30+ years
-Well educated
-Great job, hobbies and friends
-Great relationship with both mother and father
-Couldn't have asked for a better childhood

I'm not saying this to belittle those less fortunate, or to ironically say woe is me, but it seems having this kind of structure has put me into the provider frame very early on with women. Don't get me wrong, I have had my fair share of lays, and when I do, they usually come back around. But only for the wrong reasons, simply because I treat women well. Unfortunately LTR or friend zone seems to be the only option, and I don't wanna tolerate either of those. Any thoughts?

 

[skinnyguy]

Word.

If you came from a divorced household where your mom did coke and your dad was in jail, you would probably be slaying HB 9's right now.

The middle class lifestyle is a curse.

 

[El Payaso]

Word.

If you came from a divorced household where your mom did coke and your dad was in jail, you would probably be slaying HB 9's right now.

The middle class lifestyle is a curse.

You always have to be so f*cking pathetic. Always singing the same song. Waaaaah. My mommy didn't let me go out as a kid. Waaaaah. My dad shuttled me to school in a Mercedes. Waaaaaah. My mommy and daddy loved me too much. Waaaaah. I was too rich as a kid. Waaah....waaaah.....waaaaaah. Stop living in the past, you f*cking whiner.

 

[YAboi]

OP you should be happy about the quality of your life. Get rid of stinking thinking. People would die for what you have. Get into a LTR instead of wasting your life sowing wild oats unnecessarily. The PUA crew has really messed up most mens view on life. Normal is ok. Normal is good. Crazy and wild only leads to evil outcomes.

 

[expos]

Unfortunately LTR or friend zone seems to be the only option, and I don't wanna tolerate either of those. Any thoughts?

"Don't wanna tolerate" ?

Then don't. You are free to pump and dump as many women you want. After age 18, your parents are not responsible for you and are free to explore the world, it's people, create new experiences, and learn from challenges.

Maybe the family/provider structure is not for you. Maybe it is? As a male, there is nothing stopping you from being a 45-year old guy hooking up with a 28-year old woman who wants to have a kid with you. You are not a woman, you do not have a biological clock and you are not tied to timeframes.

If anything, the non-LTR lifestyle gets you pretty skilled at screening women and finding the best ones to spend your time with.

I would shun your background (whether it's poor or rich) and learn to live life on your own terms and not whatever social demographic you feel your life has dictated for you.

 

[_sideways_]

Fvcking skinny guy with his jealousy for other dudes who date pretty girls.

Theyre just pretty girls, like a pretty car, or clothes you buy.

They still take work to fvck them. Youre a silly cat skinny thinking everyone but you can slay a model.

Plus once you climbed mount everest, as in slayed 9s, whats next, who cares?

 

[No.Danny]

Next thread tittle

The disadvantages of growing up a millionaire.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I get what he is saying people. Here's why.

What is considered "middle class" usually consists of a white picket fence, soccer mom, 2 car garage, and most importantly in this context a dad who is a "hard working", "upstanding" citizen. What does that mean? He has put himself last in life. He works long hours, is emotionally supportive of his wife, and has no time for his hobbies. The son learns by example and his predilection is to become a provider.

In other words, he's a beta male. This is the "American Dream" scam in all its glory, designed to keep feminism and corporations in control of the blue collar man because they are best at keeping the productivity machine churning. Nobody could argue that being raised around domestic abuse or drug addiction is good either. What is needed is a middle ground.

I will raise my future sons in an environment where I command respect with love. My family will know little with how I manage my finances, and I will always see to it that I can pursue my hobbies at will. For men like this, women are a consequence.

 

[Desdinova]

the point is, its disadvantaged to be sheltered when it comes to dealing with women.

I was extremely sheltered from women while growing up. I was NOT allowed to talk with or hang around girls. My mother often used the scare tactic "Do you want to get AIDS?" Think about how that fvcks up your perception of everything when you're going through all your natural hormone changes. I became afraid of women and extremely intimidated by them. You think you have approach anxiety? Try growing up with the perception of women being demonized.

I got grounded for talking to a girl on the phone. I received hours of bible lectures when one of my female schoolmates came to my house. I'm almost surprised that I didn't turn out gay. The only thing that helped me overcome my incredible shyness around women was the fact that I was apparently "cute". They did the approaching, but I was awkward as hell with how to deal with them.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Interesting points made herein.

A thought I had recently is that the 'middle' class is the most blue-pill and that neo-feminism is largely driven by the middle-classes. I made the point to a female colleague and she seemed to agree.

The 'working' classes are made up of manly men and more feminine women. They adhere more fervently to gender roles and stereotypes because families have known little or nothing else for generations. Jobs and money are scarce, especially for the more 'gentile' s£x. Men go out and lay brick, dig holes and fix pipes, win the bread and are surrounded by other men all day long. Then they go home and play the dominant role in their pack.

The 'upper' classes are made of money, well, for the most part, the men are. They are nowhere near as manly as the working class man because many of them barely lift a finger for their merit. They are beta, but their bucks make up for that, though not quite as successfully as the working class alpha. They also play a dominant role in their circles, but only down to very fragile foundations of status and wealth, opposed to attitude and physicality of the alpha.

The 'middle' class. Well that's a free for all. Everyone is competing against everyone else, on nearly every level regardless of gender. The majority believes in material happiness and the fairy-tale that comes with - in much the same manner as the 'upper' class.

And as Des said, neither early nor late exposure have much influence.