The Don Juan mindset... You are all striving for the wrong frame

[The Bad Ass Canadian]

In no way is this my original idea but I wanted to elaborate on it and share it with you all.

It is a concept that was brought to my attention by Rockstar (he was known as Ronin, on these boards) and it had such a profound affect on my frame of mind that I think you should all reflect on this for a few moments.

I really feel that this concept is THE key to gaining and maintaining your power when dealing with women.

Rockstar said that the Don Juan mindset is all wrong. At most, The Don Juans are striving to be cool and confident men who are successful with women. That is the mindset in a nutshell.

Well, guess what? This makes you Don Juans average, at best. That mindset strives to attain that which many men already have... Confidence is all over. Tons of guys have it and there is nothing extraordinary about being a Don Juan.

Here's the trick to getting yourself above all that.

Make a list of all the things a hot girl would offer you, and then make a list of all the things you could offer her.

My guess is that what she can offer you is probably nothing more than great sex, a little companionship and the trophy of having an HB9+ on your arm.

You, being a man of value, have tons more to offer her.
Your list should be huge, in comparison.

Once you think about it from that angle, the pedestals and the fear of approaching quickly disappear. Even the hottest of women lose their value in your eyes, cause you will always have more to offer her, regardless of who she is or what she looks like.

Rockstar equated it to seeing yourself as a 12 out of 10...seriously. You are exceptional on every level and once you realise this your actions and words will reflect this. Your body language will change....you're conversational skills will change and you'll be in high demand.

It's such a simple concept yet it is a way of encompassing everything that makes a man great with women, all at once. You keep your power all the time because a 12 out of 10 would never feel unworthy of anyone.

 

[Boner da Stoner]

LOL

anybody who can read between the lines is your type2 DJ... strives and believes he is the bomb... IE has PUA skillz but can outrun, outthink, outperform and other man on the planet... and practices to do so in every area of life...

I just feel sad for the guys that come onto this site and hope for more PUA skills and keep pushing towards it...

thanks for the affirmation speech, eh, it really means a lot to me to know I am still not alone.

 

[Docs]

That is a intersting way of looking at it, making yourself a 12/10 and comparing your offerings. Looking at it theorically, it is excellent advice.

I've always noticed the PUA mindset a lot of people have here, and assoicate a Don Juan with a PUA. Being a PUA, or anything close to that is only one quality a Don Juan MAY have. I say may because if you have success in life, a woman will be bound to come along that requires little PUA knowledge.

To get that success however, is not to hit on every girl in the club in a desperate attempt to get something. Instead, the focus should be on YOU, and that is the things true Don Juans stress, self-improvement, being the prize, being selective and you being independant and how a girl will not affect you.

That is why I frown apon people that think they are so great at picking up woman, yet you ask them about their life and they go 'well...I dunno, I go to uni'

ok, so what are your plans..
'finish degree...get job'

What are you doing right now..
'I'm in the clubs every night either getting smashed or picking up girls.'

Morons.

 

[SchuhSohle]

What does seing yourself as a 12 out of 10 give you apart from confidence?
What makes that frame exceptional?

 

[thefonz]

Originally posted by The Bad Ass Canadian

You, being a man of value, have tons more to offer her.
Your list should be huge, in comparison.

I work on that list every single day

 

[shiningshadow]

Only 12?
I do find this to be the same as the Great Catch state of mind. The Great Catch has many, many great things to offer and qualities about him. So do you, 12/10 guy. That's why you're 12/10.

 

[Martini Joe]

When a lady enters my abode, I treat her like an important restaurant critic. I sit her down at the bar and introduce exotic recipes I whip up, which include some odd blended "aphrodisiac" sweets. I have experimented personally and selected a specific drink to perfectly accommodate each recipe. For example, I make these simple chocolate dipped strawberries injected with a fruited brandy, and I serve them with a shallow glass of dark Creme de Cacao, which are just the basic ingredients of a drink called a Brandy Alexander. It's baboom in the mouth, kids, and the scent of sandlewood helps. I teach her. I show her new things. I make her feel like the reason I am there is to impress; to bring her into my world because that's what I want.

But it's also obvious these things are not something a cat learns overnight to try to earn the approval of one braud. You have to let her assume there have been many more before her and there will be more after if she slips, but you have to make her feel unique at the same time. That's the trick: to make her feel special even when everything deep down tells her not to. When you can do that then you become something to be had even if you don't bank 6 figures and drive a BMW. It's a form of sexual risk and confusion, almost like forbidden love. The good stuff. That's how you stir up the limbido, cats.

By simply acting like you're the best thing since sliced bread and you don't need her because you've got others lined up, all you're really offering is the lack of desperation. It helps, but it isn't something a woman finds unusually sexy. It's just a benchmark. An expected qualification. Average sh-t.

 

[Egoist]

Originally posted by Martini Joe
I make her feel like the reason I am there is to impress; to bring her into my world because that's what I want.

two words for ya:

desperate AFC



you're being a dumbass by setting a bar too high to begin with, raising her expectations, making her treat you like a cook and an entertainer, etc..

A to the F to the motherfvcking C

 

[Martini Joe]

I date women, kid. Classy, intelligent women. And I do it because I've got class and style myself. All of the sh-t I do I do because I like to do it, not because I feel like I need to do that to get a woman. These ladies I date know the difference, even if you don't. I am the bar, cat. And I'm way over your head.

 

[muttley]

Originally posted by The Bad Ass Canadian
In no way is this my original idea but I wanted to elaborate on it and share it with you all.

It is a concept that was brought to my attention by Rockstar (he was known as Ronin, on these boards) and it had such a profound affect on my frame of mind that I think you should all reflect on this for a few moments.

I really feel that this concept is THE key to gaining and maintaining your power when dealing with women.

Rockstar said that the Don Juan mindset is all wrong. At most, The Don Juans are striving to be cool and confident men who are successful with women. That is the mindset in a nutshell.

Well, guess what? This makes you Don Juans average, at best. That mindset strives to attain that which many men already have... Confidence is all over. Tons of guys have it and there is nothing extraordinary about being a Don Juan.

Here's the trick to getting yourself above all that.

Make a list of all the things a hot girl would offer you, and then make a list of all the things you could offer her.

My guess is that what she can offer you is probably nothing more than great sex, a little companionship and the trophy of having an HB9+ on your arm.

You, being a man of value, have tons more to offer her.
Your list should be huge, in comparison.

Once you think about it from that angle, the pedestals and the fear of approaching quickly disappear. Even the hottest of women lose their value in your eyes, cause you will always have more to offer her, regardless of who she is or what she looks like.

Rockstar equated it to seeing yourself as a 12 out of 10...seriously. You are exceptional on every level and once you realise this your actions and words will reflect this. Your body language will change....you're conversational skills will change and you'll be in high demand.

It's such a simple concept yet it is a way of encompassing everything that makes a man great with women, all at once. You keep your power all the time because a 12 out of 10 would never feel unworthy of anyone.

read my reply to Rockstars post on "the other board "


Rockstar, props for this mindset dude

You have ALOT more to offer. She can just offer you a bang and some ego boost whens shes hanging off your arm thats it. After equating all i have to offer, ive realised that im 12 out of fvcking 10 and thats without counting my LOOKS or MATERIAL GOODS. Hell im 13, or even 14

peace...
ps.. u shudve kept this shyt sekret hehehe

 

[Egoist]

Originally posted by Martini Joe
I date women, kid. Classy, intelligent women. And I do it because I've got class and style myself. All of the sh-t I do I do because I like to do it, not because I feel like I need to do that to get a woman. These ladies I date know the difference, even if you don't. I am the bar, cat. And I'm way over your head.

i've got more class than you do in my pinky, "kid"

good try though.

 

[PeeGee]

The problem with knocking hot women off the proverbial pedastal is that they no longer become as valuable, and consequently, why am I after them again?

 

[Martini Joe]

Originally posted by Egoist
i've got more class than you do in my pinky, "kid"

good try though.

Peacocking club skanks like a real rockstar. Yeah....that's "classy" alright.

Tell you what I'm going to do. I'll make a few calls accross the tracks and find you a few "classy" ladies that'll give you a lap dance for half price. How's that sound, champ? She'll treat you like a rock star if that's what ya like.

 

[The Juan and only]

oh look, Martini Joe is back. I remember having an argument with him a while ago....he seems like an alright kinda guy, however he knows nothing about seduction and will not listen.

he called me "kid" too. Obviously that's something he likes to do to feel superior. Look joe, needlessly patronizing people only weakens your argument.

 

[Egoist]

Originally posted by Martini Joe
Peacocking club skanks like a real rockstar. Yeah....that's "classy" alright.

Tell you what I'm going to do. I'll make a few calls accross the tracks and find you a few "classy" ladies that'll give you a lap dance for half price. How's that sound, champ? She'll treat you like a rock star if that's what ya like.

yes, i like clubs and attached sluts. however, that is a very very small part of who i am and what i do.

unlike you, i never had to pay for a lapdance however

p.s. enough BS. call it a victory if you want, "son", im not arguing over this anymore.

 

[Martini Joe]

Originally posted by Egoist
im not arguing over this anymore.

Now you've got a pinkie's worth of class.

 

[aBAzLLnA]

This is what I see all the time . People should realize that what works for them might not work for you, and likewise. Each "DJ" should have his own set of personal rules, his own philosophy behind it all.

Even though I despise PUA's, I see them as another form of "DJ", just... not quite as well-rounded, shall I say.

I can see how Martini Joe's tactics work, it still uses the "DJ" frame, but with a different personal twist. Personally, I wouldn't do such a thing, but then again, I'm not him.

What does seing yourself as a 12 out of 10 give you apart from confidence?

It makes you seriously think about it. There's a difference between thinking it and actually believing it. Doing out what The Canadian says, makes you believe it.

 

[Martini Joe]

Originally posted by aBAzLLnA

I can see how Martini Joe's tactics work, it still uses the "DJ" frame, but with a different personal twist. Personally, I wouldn't do such a thing, but then again, I'm not him.

A man who understands differences.

The problem is that most cats assume I don't know or practice many of the things disussed on this website. They think if I cook, I therefor must always cook. They think I don't hold a woman to the same standards, and these cats don't see or know how easily I yank the rug when my standards aren't met. They think I don't know where to draw my lines, because all they see are the same efforts that blew up in thier faces when they tried it as chumps. So they assume it's not possible. They assume I must be AFC because they couldn't pull it off themselves.

Take a look at this thread. It's all about having qualities as a man. I offer many qualities, and I expect many of the same in turn.

 

[The Juan and only]

Why do so many people on this board hide their age? that screams insecurity to me.