The current dating market and how I see this century playing out

[mikedee]

Bro, I probably look better than the majority of posters on this forum lol. Many of your severely underestimate how picky many women are and how difficult navigating the dating market is today. I've experienced this myself but I've observed so much over the last several years in the real world. In addition to this, we are seeing tons of channels on youtube dedicated to men's issues in the dating market and it's even been spilling over into the mainstream media lately, as I had alluded to on my original post.

Your local dating market is definitely something to consider. I remember some post I read years ago on another forum talking about the dating market in Anchorage, Alaska lol and how he said even fatties had attitude. I think he mentioned something about being in the military and temporarily stationed there lol. You could be in some place like say Miami or LA or Scottsdale and being a guy that is 6'+ and fit may be seen as "average" to where you might actually have a hard time standing out. In a market like this, it actually might be a requirement to "flash cash" as @SW15 mentioned, where you drive a high(er) end car, dress up, wear a rolex, etc. I live in AZ and I actually have seen this for myself and it appears to be a big part of the dating scene in Phoenix, though I don't live in that metro.

Some other stuff to consider is how you fit into the dating market of your area. A tall and fit white man may still struggle in a place where such men are not seen as dating material. I've personally heard the phrase "I don't date white men" several times in my area. It's all about recognizing what you are, what you bring to the table, etc. and then how you fit into the dating market of your area. From there, you can decide if you need to make some adjustments or if you are in a playing field that you really can't navigate all that well.

This is deviating from the topic of this thread.

I didnt say you were ugly. I said "If the guy is ugly", I was not talking about you.

 

[sangheilios]

It will change for his part. As I mentioned, you are not statistic. The more incels choose AI-girlfriend instead of real life one, the more chicks available for him.

Also this voluntary extinction is mainly a first(and second) world problem. There is always option to geo-arbitrage.

I disagree, man. With the exception of the poorest countries in Africa, like Mali for instance, we are seeing fertility rates rapidly decreasing throughout the world. Even countries in the middle east, N. Africa, Latin America, S.E Asia are getting close to replacement level or are already below it. As time goes on, you are going to see this trend continue.

The U.S is kind of a weird place though because we have a large variety of people living here AND metabolize immigration fairly well for the most part. I think one huge benefit of the U.S is that we have very large populations of people that are conservative, some of whom incredibly so. The Amish for instance are the fastest growing demographic group in the nation, I've been seeing some articles lately about how they are considering creating new enclaves in other parts of the country outside of PA, S. Dakota and Montana were some places I saw mentioned. There are all sorts of other conservative groups in the nation that still have high fertility rates, again the trend is that they tend to be more religious, have strong values places upon family, community, etc. Some states have below replacement fertility rates and are rapidly aging, the state of Maine is a great example. In contrast, there are many states that actually have young populations and above replacement fertility rates, Texas is a huge one. You'll find that some of the best places to live in America right now also share this trend, whereas the places that are aging, deteriorating, etc. people are leaving in droves.

As for your son in particular, I'm not saying it's impossible but we are in uncharted territory and facing hurdles that no other generation has faced before. I'm not sure how old you are, but this century is going to be insane, I'd buckle up for a crazy ride.

 

[Pandora]

It's over as soon as you go to an all boys school.

Man i went to an all boys school. I lost my virginity kinda late at 18. My parents had to find a prom date for me from church ( very embarrassing). I made up for it in college and post college.

Going to an all boys school skews your perception of women. I would not recommend. You look at women as angels but when you find out the truth in college (as opposed to HS) the RedPill rage is very severe.

These dayz if you go to an all boy HS you are finished. Girls are too hard to get these days and you make it worse with the same sex HS.

 

[sangheilios]

Man i went to an all boys school. I lost my virginity kinda late at 18. My parents had to find a prom date for me from church ( very embarrassing). I made up for it in college and post college.

Going to an all boys school skews your perception of women. I would not recommend. You look at women as angels but when you find out the truth in college (as opposed to HS) the RedPill rage is very severe.

These dayz if you go to an all boy HS you are finished. Girls are too hard to get these days and you make it worse with the same sex HS.

When I read this, it makes me feel like putting your son or daughter into such a school system would very likely stunt their social development. With that said, I could totally see the consequences of this being far more severe for young boys that are developing into men. It's a place like you mentioned, where you have this romanticized idea of women because your exposure to them is limited to movies/media and also your female relatives who love you no matter what lol. However, you get into the real world and start treating women like they are a disney princess or some **** and you get used and abused by them or perhaps just not getting anywhere. Meanwhile, you see them getting drunk or high, or maybe having a train ran on them by a bunch of the niggas on the basketball court lmfao. You then internally respond to this by going severe red pill to the point where you actually may totally avoid women or border on legitimately misogny lol. I'm not saying it would necessarily play out this severely but I can totally imagine it rhyming to a beat like this lol.

 

[SW15]

In a market like this, it actually might be a requirement to "flash cash" as @SW15 mentioned, where you drive a high(er) end car, dress up, wear a rolex, etc. I live in AZ and I actually have seen this for myself and it appears to be a big part of the dating scene in Phoenix, though I don't live in that metro.

Phoenix is a very superficial and pretentious market, so flashing cash is a big part of that market.

For those interested, there is a good Phoenix scene thread.

Observations on Phoenix's Scene

Phoenix, Arizona has become one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the United States. It has grown a lot in recent decades. The 2020 Census estimated that Maricopa County (covering most of Metro Phoenix) has a 4.4 million population. In 1990, Maricopa County only had 2.1 million people. Almost...

www.sosuave.net

 

[patb]

When I read this, it makes me feel like putting your son or daughter into such a school system would very likely stunt their social development. With that said, I could totally see the consequences of this being far more severe for young boys that are developing into men. It's a place like you mentioned, where you have this romanticized idea of women because your exposure to them is limited to movies/media and also your female relatives who love you no matter what lol. However, you get into the real world and start treating women like they are a disney princess or some **** and you get used and abused by them or perhaps just not getting anywhere. Meanwhile, you see them getting drunk or high, or maybe having a train ran on them by a bunch of the niggas on the basketball court lmfao. You then internally respond to this by going severe red pill to the point where you actually may totally avoid women or border on legitimately misogny lol. I'm not saying it would necessarily play out this severely but I can totally imagine it rhyming to a beat like this lol.

idk how anyone makes it to age 16 without “legitimate misogyny.”

 

[sangheilios]

idk how anyone makes it to age 16 without “legitimate misogyny.”

What I mean by that was where you have men that end up totally writing women off and having nothing to do with them or just having sexual encounters with them, especially with escorts or just one night stands. Basically just full blown MGTOW stuff OR perhaps getting into the black pill side of things, neither of which are healthy in my honest opinion.

 

[patb]

What I mean by that was where you have men that end up totally writing women off and having nothing to do with them or just having sexual encounters with them, especially with escorts or just one night stands. Basically just full blown MGTOW stuff OR perhaps getting into the black pill side of things, neither of which are healthy in my honest opinion.

Ah so let me rephrase: idk how anyone makes it to 35 without being “legitimately misogynist.”

 

[SW15]

Man i went to an all boys school. I lost my virginity kinda late at 18. My parents had to find a prom date for me from church ( very embarrassing). I made up for it in college and post college.

Going to an all boys school skews your perception of women. I would not recommend. You look at women as angels but when you find out the truth in college (as opposed to HS) the RedPill rage is very severe.

These dayz if you go to an all boy HS you are finished. Girls are too hard to get these days and you make it worse with the same sex HS.

When I read this, it makes me feel like putting your son or daughter into such a school system would very likely stunt their social development.

All-male schools are not good for males. Both @MatureDJ and @Pandora had bad high school experiences in all-male environments. I have also known some others who had poor experiences with all-male schools. You're correct that these all-male schools stunted their developments.

The only males that I knew from my in-person interactions who came out relatively undamaged from all-male high schools were males that had a very strong social network from their K-8 years. If you go into 9th grade at an all-male school with a bad social network, you're finished. There's not enough interactions with the all-female schools to compensate for that.

It's probably worse now too. Most of the stories I know from all-male schools happened in the 1990s and early 2000s. @MatureDJ 's experience is even older as it was from the early 1980s. Supreme Court Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch went to the same all-male high school in Maryland (near Washington DC) in the early 1980s as well.

 

[Solomon]

I know you can put AI dating in the online category but personally, I think in the future it will have it's own category
Covid19 opened Pandora's box ain't no going back, Adapt or embrace your AI MI Ling Lmfao

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

still had no issues with women considering me unattractive.

Nah it’s that schmexy pirate vibe, you libertine Viking rascal! (No ghey)

@AmsterdamAssassin has perfected Pirate Game.

 

[patb]

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I know you can put AI dating in the online category but personally, I think in the future it will have it's own category
Covid19 opened Pandora's box ain't no going back, Adapt or embrace your AI MI Ling Lmfao

There is considerable evidence that OLD is moribund. Yet bars don’t seem to have reemerged to fill the vacuum. I can only therefor conclude that social circle is all that’s left. Good luck with that if you’re over 27 (probably over 22).

 

[corrector]

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I know you can put AI dating in the online category but personally, I think in the future it will have it's own category
Covid19 opened Pandora's box ain't no going back, Adapt or embrace your AI MI Ling Lmfao

These are actual couples and not chad's harems? How do you reconcile those stats if 67% of guys are single and are not part of the couple category?

 

[Pandora]

When I read this, it makes me feel like putting your son or daughter into such a school system would very likely stunt their social development. With that said, I could totally see the consequences of this being far more severe for young boys that are developing into men. It's a place like you mentioned, where you have this romanticized idea of women because your exposure to them is limited to movies/media and also your female relatives who love you no matter what lol. However, you get into the real world and start treating women like they are a disney princess or some **** and you get used and abused by them or perhaps just not getting anywhere. Meanwhile, you see them getting drunk or high, or maybe having a train ran on them by a bunch of the niggas on the basketball court lmfao. You then internally respond to this by going severe red pill to the point where you actually may totally avoid women or border on legitimately misogny lol. I'm not saying it would necessarily play out this severely but I can totally imagine it rhyming to a beat like this lol.

The first time I found out a girl was sleeping with multiple guys in the dorm I was shocked. How can these angelic creatures do this?

I remember this smoking hot ( 9/10) half black chick red pilled me HARD. First girl I really had a massive crush on. This new feeling at 18 was intoxicating. This happened freshman year. She would come to my dorm...sit on my lap...tell me about other guys..and then leave. She would also flake on dates. Looking back these were obvious shyt tests. I had no experience with chicks so I failed them hard. I would get super depressed and listen to Eminem and Joe Budden in my dorm room.

My dormates would be worried about me. I just could not understand why women did this. I had them on a pedestal for 4 yrs of HS because I didnt know any. Then I decided to learn how to game women. I ordered David DeAngelos Double Your Dating Course circa 2003. My dormates found it. They laughed at me until they cried lol. Humiliation.

I read that thing religiously. I took me at least a year to properly calibrate the whole ****y and funny thing. I finally got it and it was off to the races.

Yeh long story short all boys schools are not good. They did studies and found that all boy school guys have a higher rate of divorce. This is because you over compensate later in life and become a misonystic womanizer like I was.

 

[Pandora]

All-male schools are not good for males. Both @MatureDJ and @Pandora had bad high school experiences in all-male environments. I have also known some others who had poor experiences with all-male schools. You're correct that these all-male schools stunted their developments.

The only males that I knew from my in-person interactions who came out relatively undamaged from all-male high schools were males that had a very strong social network from their K-8 years. If you go into 9th grade at an all-male school with a bad social network, you're finished. There's not enough interactions with the all-female schools to compensate for that.

It's probably worse now too. Most of the stories I know from all-male schools happened in the 1990s and early 2000s. @MatureDJ 's experience is even older as it was from the early 1980s. Supreme Court Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch went to the same all-male high school in Maryland (near Washington DC) in the early 1980s as well.

Yeh I went to an all boys school near DC in the early 2000s also. I know what school Kavanaugh went to. It is super fancy.

I never had an issue with the middle class public school kids in my neighborhood. It was a mostly black neighborhood and I was respected. All the kids would fight, play sports and be cool.

My fancy all boys school was a different story. I would get brutaly bullied. Those kids are mean because they overcompensate. It was a bunch of rich kids that wished they were ghetto. They acted more hood than the kids that actually lived in the hood. I didnt fight back because I was afraid to get kicked out.

When boys dont have any girls around they stay in a state of immaurity. They turn on each other much like prison. It was sort of like Lord of the Flies rich kid version. It was also fun too though.

When the rare young female ( teacher daughter or random girl )would walk through the cafeteria we would all start banging our lunch trays on the table and yelling " yeh hoe...yeh hoe..yeh hoe". It was insane.

 

[patb]

The first time I found out a girl was sleeping with multiple guys in the dorm I was shocked. How can these angelic creatures do this?

I remember this smoking hot ( 9/10) half black chick red pilled me HARD. First girl I really had a massive crush on. This new feeling at 18 was intoxicating. This happened freshman year. She would come to my dorm...sit on my lap...tell me about other guys..and then leave. She would also flake on dates. Looking back these were obvious shyt tests. I had no experience with chicks so I failed them hard. I would get super depressed and listen to Eminem and Joe Budden in my dorm room.

My dormates would be worried about me. I just could not understand why women did this. I had them on a pedestal for 4 yrs of HS because I didnt know any. Then I decided to learn how to game women. I ordered David DeAngelos Double Your Dating Course circa 2003. My dormates found it. They laughed at me until they cried lol. Humiliation.

I read that thing religiously. I took me at least a year to properly calibrate the whole ****y and funny thing. I finally got it and it was off to the races.

Yeh long story short all boys schools are not good. They did studies and found that all boy school guys have a higher rate of divorce. This is because you over compensate later in life and become a misonystic womanizer like I was.

women are the font of evil in the world: tl;dr

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

women are the font of evil in the world: tl;dr

Why? Because they do what you wish you’d been able to do? And still do?

 

[patb]

Why? Because they do what you wish you’d been able to do? And still do?

lol ok kissass. Owned by another keyboard badass

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

lol ok kissass. Owned by another keyboard badass

If it’s not that then what is it? Use your big boy words, ‘splain it to us.

Seems like you’re jelly. WhyUsoMad brah?

 

[patb]

If it’s not that then what is it? Use your big boy words, ‘splain it to us.

Seems like you’re jelly. WhyUsoMad brah?

you literally bang menopausal single mothers and try to flex about it